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body so that I can fill in any gaps that I think are there I'm watching her I think are there I'm watching her I think are there I'm watching her develop I'm I'm promoting what I call develop I'm I'm promoting what I call develop I'm I'm promoting what I call bravery so I have a thing I call bravery bravery so I have a thing I call bravery bravery so I have a thing I call bravery school um which is just all about maybe school um which is just all about maybe school um which is just all about maybe feeling a little bit trepidacious but feeling a little bit trepidacious but feeling a little bit trepidacious but having some curiosity underneath and having some curiosity underneath and having some curiosity underneath and tapping into that Curiosity and letting tapping into that Curiosity and letting tapping into that Curiosity and letting it letting it pay off for them to be it letting it pay off for them to be it letting it pay off for them to be curious so I don't and the primary stuff curious so I don't and the primary stuff curious so I don't and the primary stuff that I teach them is like I need you to that I teach them is like I need you to that I teach them is like I need you to love my love my love my reinforcers that are most available to reinforcers that are most available to reinforcers that are most available to me so that winds up looking like a lot me so that winds up looking like a lot me so that winds up looking like a lot of food food of food food of food food skills and then when I see that you skills and then when I see that you skills and then when I see that you really care about the food that I have really care about the food that I have really care about the food that I have then I'm going to then I'm going to then I'm going to deliberately shape some of your behavior deliberately shape some of your behavior deliberately shape some of your behavior with the food and then once you see that with the food and then once you see that with the food and then once you see that you understand that as a concept the you understand that as a concept the you understand that as a concept the next kind of concept I want you to next kind of concept I want you to next kind of concept I want you to understand is verbal queuing and I place understand is verbal queuing and I place understand is verbal queuing and I place a lot of emphasis on this it's really a lot of emphasis on this it's really a lot of emphasis on this it's really funny when iy was 15 and a half sorry 's funny when iy was 15 and a half sorry 's funny when iy was 15 and a half sorry 's 15 and a half so when she was a baby um

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15 and a half so when she was a baby um 15 and a half so when she was a baby um I don't think I taught her a single word I don't think I taught her a single word I don't think I taught her a single word until she was like six months old except until she was like six months old except until she was like six months old except she had five million tricks right so she she had five million tricks right so she she had five million tricks right so she could like walk her back legs up a wall could like walk her back legs up a wall could like walk her back legs up a wall and put all her it was all the cool and put all her it was all the cool and put all her it was all the cool stuff that Sylvia turkman was like like stuff that Sylvia turkman was like like stuff that Sylvia turkman was like like it was when basically the Internet Was it was when basically the Internet Was it was when basically the Internet Was Young YouTube was young and suddenly we Young YouTube was young and suddenly we Young YouTube was young and suddenly we could see I could see that Sylvia could see I could see that Sylvia could see I could see that Sylvia turkman had all these dogs like she had turkman had all these dogs like she had turkman had all these dogs like she had this video of them like cleaning her this video of them like cleaning her this video of them like cleaning her house they were like scrubbing the floor house they were like scrubbing the floor house they were like scrubbing the floor and closing the dishwasher and like and closing the dishwasher and like and closing the dishwasher and like things like it was so funny and so I things like it was so funny and so I things like it was so funny and so I taught her all these tricks and but she taught her all these tricks and but she taught her all these tricks and but she didn't know any words about anything didn't know any words about anything didn't know any words about anything until she was much older and I actually until she was much older and I actually until she was much older and I actually find this is very common people will say find this is very common people will say find this is very common people will say well we know a lot of behaviors but we well we know a lot of behaviors but we well we know a lot of behaviors but we don't have a lot of behaviors on Q which don't have a lot of behaviors on Q which don't have a lot of behaviors on Q which is fascinating because actually all the is fascinating because actually all the is fascinating because actually all the behaviors are on Q you just didn't behaviors are on Q you just didn't

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behaviors are on Q you just didn't decide what that Q was yeah um and then decide what that Q was yeah um and then decide what that Q was yeah um and then a colleague of mine a friend of mine a colleague of mine a friend of mine a colleague of mine a friend of mine shade shade shade whitel um whitel um whitel um she spoke about I I was think I was in she spoke about I I was think I was in she spoke about I I was think I was in this seminar probably close to eight this seminar probably close to eight this seminar probably close to eight years ago now and she was speaking about years ago now and she was speaking about years ago now and she was speaking about how strongly she felt that puppies how strongly she felt that puppies how strongly she felt that puppies needed to learn the concept of verbal C needed to learn the concept of verbal C needed to learn the concept of verbal C as early as possible and how she thinks as early as possible and how she thinks as early as possible and how she thinks that's really important so I went okay that's really important so I went okay that's really important so I went okay well shade's really smart so I'm going well shade's really smart so I'm going well shade's really smart so I'm going to also think that's really important to also think that's really important to also think that's really important and now where am I on it we could talk and now where am I on it we could talk and now where am I on it we could talk about verbal queuing for the next like about verbal queuing for the next like about verbal queuing for the next like hour and a half we're going to talk hour and a half we're going to talk hour and a half we're going to talk about too many other things but I'm about too many other things but I'm about too many other things but I'm teaching them that concept really early teaching them that concept really early teaching them that concept really early really young these days really young these days really young these days um and then I'm letting them show me um and then I'm letting them show me um and then I'm letting them show me what it is that they need do you need to what it is that they need do you need to what it is that they need do you need to go more places do you need to get on go more places do you need to get on go more places do you need to get on different services do you need like what different services do you need like what different services do you need like what do you need to be doing and it's just do you need to be doing and it's just do you need to be doing and it's just very you know it's very organic it's

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very you know it's very organic it's very you know it's very organic it's very like what do I think you need next very like what do I think you need next very like what do I think you need next and I recognize that that's kind of my and I recognize that that's kind of my and I recognize that that's kind of my privilege of my experience that I can privilege of my experience that I can privilege of my experience that I can see what they what I think that she see what they what I think that she see what they what I think that she needs next rather than kind of following needs next rather than kind of following needs next rather than kind of following a curriculum but if I were trying to a curriculum but if I were trying to a curriculum but if I were trying to follow a curriculum it would be really follow a curriculum it would be really follow a curriculum it would be really based in the worldview which is and the based in the worldview which is and the based in the worldview which is and the worldview is like my person is my safe worldview is like my person is my safe worldview is like my person is my safe space I can always go I can always go space I can always go I can always go space I can always go I can always go there um people and dogs are not scary there um people and dogs are not scary there um people and dogs are not scary and also not too interesting so I I like and also not too interesting so I I like and also not too interesting so I I like that like a nice neutrality socially um that like a nice neutrality socially um that like a nice neutrality socially um and then and getting in the car is a and then and getting in the car is a and then and getting in the car is a good time and when I'm in a crate I good time and when I'm in a crate I good time and when I'm in a crate I should sleep like that's the worldview should sleep like that's the worldview should sleep like that's the worldview yeah yeah yeah definitely def yeah and yeah yeah yeah definitely def yeah and yeah yeah yeah definitely def yeah and you saying about igy and stuff like my you saying about igy and stuff like my you saying about igy and stuff like my oldest competing dog well he's going to oldest competing dog well he's going to oldest competing dog well he's going to be 10 in November and I remember when he be 10 in November and I remember when he be 10 in November and I remember when he was a puppy like you say I did all was a puppy like you say I did all was a puppy like you say I did all exactly it was all just about agility exactly it was all just about agility

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exactly it was all just about agility agility and it's like you know you see agility and it's like you know you see agility and it's like you know you see people get agility puppies and by 10 people get agility puppies and by 10 people get agility puppies and by 10 weeks old they're shaping them to go weeks old they're shaping them to go weeks old they're shaping them to go around a cone and stuff and like oh yeah around a cone and stuff and like oh yeah around a cone and stuff and like oh yeah and but the dog can't settle in the and but the dog can't settle in the and but the dog can't settle in the house or anything like that you know house or anything like that you know house or anything like that you know whereas like and again Splash my little whereas like and again Splash my little whereas like and again Splash my little Shelty he again I never really taught Shelty he again I never really taught Shelty he again I never really taught him to settle because I was like drummed him to settle because I was like drummed him to settle because I was like drummed in to like have drive drive drive and in to like have drive drive drive and in to like have drive drive drive and like get this dog like crazy and you like get this dog like crazy and you like get this dog like crazy and you know that kind of thing whereas like my know that kind of thing whereas like my know that kind of thing whereas like my dogs now I'm completely dogs now I'm completely dogs now I'm completely you know I've got like well I've got two you know I've got like well I've got two you know I've got like well I've got two border colleages now and I've got a toy border colleages now and I've got a toy border colleages now and I've got a toy pom who's now six months old today and I pom who's now six months old today and I pom who's now six months old today and I just love him like but like you know I'm just love him like but like you know I'm just love him like but like you know I'm teach like like you say you know it's teach like like you say you know it's teach like like you say you know it's just all about like you know just just all about like you know just just all about like you know just building up that relationship and just building up that relationship and just building up that relationship and just doing things organically and just doing things organically and just doing things organically and just letting him as well just be as well and letting him as well just be as well and letting him as well just be as well and just having you know no pressure to to just having you know no pressure to to

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just having you know no pressure to to do things and Yeahs I also think that if do things and Yeahs I also think that if do things and Yeahs I also think that if you bought the dog on purpose for you bought the dog on purpose for you bought the dog on purpose for agility which that's also more common agility which that's also more common agility which that's also more common now than it was 15 years ago so if you now than it was 15 years ago so if you now than it was 15 years ago so if you bought the dog for for agility on bought the dog for for agility on bought the dog for for agility on purpose understanding what you bought purpose understanding what you bought purpose understanding what you bought yeah and understanding what's probably yeah and understanding what's probably yeah and understanding what's probably going to be hard for them and what's going to be hard for them and what's going to be hard for them and what's probably going to be easy for them okay probably going to be easy for them okay probably going to be easy for them okay so going fast being highly roused being so going fast being highly roused being so going fast being highly roused being very intense that's all going to that's very intense that's all going to that's very intense that's all going to that's already in Carson that's in her entire already in Carson that's in her entire already in Carson that's in her entire pedigree I don't need to do anything pedigree I don't need to do anything pedigree I don't need to do anything with that yeah what I need to do stuff with that yeah what I need to do stuff with that yeah what I need to do stuff with is settle in the house house sleep with is settle in the house house sleep with is settle in the house house sleep when you're in a crate don't freak out when you're in a crate don't freak out when you're in a crate don't freak out about stuff don't like moving vehicles about stuff don't like moving vehicles about stuff don't like moving vehicles running dogs people approaching you are running dogs people approaching you are running dogs people approaching you are really none of your business that's what really none of your business that's what really none of your business that's what I need to focus on and I just think that I need to focus on and I just think that I need to focus on and I just think that instead we do people do the fun stuff instead we do people do the fun stuff instead we do people do the fun stuff they're like no we got to do we got to they're like no we got to do we got to they're like no we got to do we got to do cone wraps we got to do rest strain

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do cone wraps we got to do rest strain do cone wraps we got to do rest strain recalls we got to do like yeah I what recalls we got to do like yeah I what recalls we got to do like yeah I what how I jokingly say it is just that we how I jokingly say it is just that we how I jokingly say it is just that we you don't get to have any fun you you don't get to have any fun you you don't get to have any fun you already bought the fun like it's in already bought the fun like it's in already bought the fun like it's in there so don't do any of the fun the there so don't do any of the fun the there so don't do any of the fun the quote unquote fun stuff yeah yeah no quote unquote fun stuff yeah yeah no quote unquote fun stuff yeah yeah no definitely definitely and what did you definitely definitely and what did you definitely definitely and what did you like about like Carson's breeder and why like about like Carson's breeder and why like about like Carson's breeder and why did you choose her lines and things is did you choose her lines and things is did you choose her lines and things is there anything in specific well what's there anything in specific well what's there anything in specific well what's really interesting is that um there was really interesting is that um there was really interesting is that um there was like the least planning of in this puppy like the least planning of in this puppy like the least planning of in this puppy well I won't say the least I've ever well I won't say the least I've ever well I won't say the least I've ever done but she I didn't even know this done but she I didn't even know this done but she I didn't even know this litter existed but I it's was a keep litter existed but I it's was a keep litter existed but I it's was a keep breeding and I know of the other dogs breeding and I know of the other dogs breeding and I know of the other dogs and I like all the other dogs and that's and I like all the other dogs and that's and I like all the other dogs and that's actually unusual for me to meet several actually unusual for me to meet several actually unusual for me to meet several dogs from a litter and like them all um dogs from a litter and like them all um dogs from a litter and like them all um and so largely it is that it is the and so largely it is that it is the and so largely it is that it is the other dogs and then there are some key other dogs and then there are some key other dogs and then there are some key dogs behind her there's one key dog in dogs behind her there's one key dog in

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dogs behind her there's one key dog in particular that I was really interested particular that I was really interested particular that I was really interested in in in um so I like how her pedigree looks and um so I like how her pedigree looks and um so I like how her pedigree looks and then the other thing then the other thing then the other thing things that that are important that are things that that are important that are things that that are important that are great her breeder is great her breeder great her breeder is great her breeder great her breeder is great her breeder does work really hard with the puppies does work really hard with the puppies does work really hard with the puppies but something that I think is extremely but something that I think is extremely but something that I think is extremely important is that you have especially in important is that you have especially in important is that you have especially in Border Coles is that they have a good Border Coles is that they have a good Border Coles is that they have a good mother um boli [ __ ] can be not great mother um boli [ __ ] can be not great mother um boli [ __ ] can be not great mothers they are they're not really mothers they are they're not really mothers they are they're not really designed for that they're like me I'd be designed for that they're like me I'd be designed for that they're like me I'd be a terrible mother I just want to work so a terrible mother I just want to work so a terrible mother I just want to work so yeah all I want to do is work so can't yeah all I want to do is work so can't yeah all I want to do is work so can't you entertain yourselves you entertain yourselves you entertain yourselves um you need like a low um you need like a low um you need like a low stress mama dog really important thing stress mama dog really important thing stress mama dog really important thing and Meg her mother is like that um so and Meg her mother is like that um so and Meg her mother is like that um so that's great and like she's proven like that's great and like she's proven like that's great and like she's proven like that this isn't her first rodeo right so that this isn't her first rodeo right so that this isn't her first rodeo right so was interested in that but really it was interested in that but really it was interested in that but really it just came down to she was available I just came down to she was available I just came down to she was available I knew the other dogs I looked at the knew the other dogs I looked at the knew the other dogs I looked at the pedigree and liked it and said hey can I

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pedigree and liked it and said hey can I pedigree and liked it and said hey can I have this puppy and have this puppy and have this puppy and then the answer was then the answer was then the answer was yes and I I hadn't met her I hadn't seen yes and I I hadn't met her I hadn't seen yes and I I hadn't met her I hadn't seen her she's not local to me so then I her she's not local to me so then I her she's not local to me so then I drove and got her and I'm obsessed with drove and got her and I'm obsessed with drove and got her and I'm obsessed with her she's perfect a and do you know like her she's perfect a and do you know like her she's perfect a and do you know like what you saying about the Border coli what you saying about the Border coli what you saying about the Border coli [ __ ] being bad mothers and have you [ __ ] being bad mothers and have you [ __ ] being bad mothers and have you noticed the difference um with Carson in noticed the difference um with Carson in noticed the difference um with Carson in terms of like her behavior and terms of like her behavior and terms of like her behavior and temperament because of temperament because of temperament because of that I can't say what related to what um that I can't say what related to what um that I can't say what related to what um but I will say that it's a question I but I will say that it's a question I but I will say that it's a question I ask in my client base so when the client ask in my client base so when the client ask in my client base so when the client did buy the dog intentionally from a did buy the dog intentionally from a did buy the dog intentionally from a breeder I ask that question most people breeder I ask that question most people breeder I ask that question most people have no idea yeah but there are little have no idea yeah but there are little have no idea yeah but there are little red flags like well they they took the red flags like well they they took the red flags like well they they took the puppies away when they were five weeks puppies away when they were five weeks puppies away when they were five weeks like it's very it's not uncommon to wean like it's very it's not uncommon to wean like it's very it's not uncommon to wean them early at five weeks um and take Mom them early at five weeks um and take Mom them early at five weeks um and take Mom away and then when I ask why it's away and then when I ask why it's away and then when I ask why it's usually well she wasn't doing anything usually well she wasn't doing anything usually well she wasn't doing anything okay cool well she probably should be

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okay cool well she probably should be okay cool well she probably should be doing something um this my opinion so doing something um this my opinion so doing something um this my opinion so I'm also not a breeder so I have mad I'm also not a breeder so I have mad I'm also not a breeder so I have mad respect for people who actually do that respect for people who actually do that respect for people who actually do that and do that well so I don't want to sit and do that well so I don't want to sit and do that well so I don't want to sit here and tell them how to do what they here and tell them how to do what they here and tell them how to do what they do do do um what we know from animal studies is um what we know from animal studies is um what we know from animal studies is that mothering in mammals really matters that mothering in mammals really matters that mothering in mammals really matters so they if they are high stress they so they if they are high stress they so they if they are high stress they will will will create stress in their babies and that create stress in their babies and that create stress in their babies and that starts in the starts in the starts in the uterus I've had great conversations with uterus I've had great conversations with uterus I've had great conversations with Dr Jessica Heckman on my podcast about Dr Jessica Heckman on my podcast about Dr Jessica Heckman on my podcast about these things about um how much is these things about um how much is these things about um how much is genetics versus genetics versus genetics versus environment it's actually like an 8020 environment it's actually like an 8020 environment it's actually like an 8020 split of like 20% genetics 80% split of like 20% genetics 80% split of like 20% genetics 80% environment it's just that we forget environment it's just that we forget environment it's just that we forget that the environment starts in the that the environment starts in the that the environment starts in the uterus yeah and so we think of those uterus yeah and so we think of those uterus yeah and so we think of those things as being genetic but they are things as being genetic but they are things as being genetic but they are just that that's their first environment just that that's their first environment just that that's their first environment that they're in so like I basically want that they're in so like I basically want that they're in so like I basically want mama dogs like on a couch being fed Bon mama dogs like on a couch being fed Bon mama dogs like on a couch being fed Bon bonss being told they're beautiful the

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bonss being told they're beautiful the bonss being told they're beautiful the entire pregnancy and then and then they entire pregnancy and then and then they entire pregnancy and then and then they have the puppies and they're given have the puppies and they're given have the puppies and they're given everything they need and like everything everything they need and like everything everything they need and like everything is very low is very low is very low stress um my you know I had I've one stress um my you know I had I've one stress um my you know I had I've one kind of comparison which is basically I kind of comparison which is basically I kind of comparison which is basically I have two girl border Coles Carson and have two girl border Coles Carson and have two girl border Coles Carson and igy igy I mentioned is 15 Carson's a igy igy I mentioned is 15 Carson's a igy igy I mentioned is 15 Carson's a year and then I have a border I have a year and then I have a border I have a year and then I have a border I have a guy in between them my border col Felix guy in between them my border col Felix guy in between them my border col Felix who's 9 years old uh today it's his who's 9 years old uh today it's his who's 9 years old uh today it's his birthday um birthday um birthday um and he was first time litter or first and he was first time litter or first and he was first time litter or first time first- time breeder and first- time time first- time breeder and first- time time first- time breeder and first- time litter for this girl and she had litter for this girl and she had litter for this girl and she had emergency emergency emergency csection and then she didn't raise them csection and then she didn't raise them csection and then she didn't raise them she didn't want them which is not she didn't want them which is not she didn't want them which is not uncommon breeders have to be kind of uncommon breeders have to be kind of uncommon breeders have to be kind of prepared for that um and so he was hand prepared for that um and so he was hand prepared for that um and so he was hand raised by lovingly and beautifully by raised by lovingly and beautifully by raised by lovingly and beautifully by his his his breeder um but he is breeder um but he is breeder um but he is you know he's he's less resilient than you know he's he's less resilient than you know he's he's less resilient than the other two he is more pessimistic if the other two he is more pessimistic if the other two he is more pessimistic if I can say it that way than the other two I can say it that way than the other two

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I can say it that way than the other two and then again of course like it isn't and then again of course like it isn't and then again of course like it isn't everything once it's in your hands it's everything once it's in your hands it's everything once it's in your hands it's in your hands so like I wouldn't blame in your hands so like I wouldn't blame in your hands so like I wouldn't blame all of that on that he also had some all of that on that he also had some all of that on that he also had some early life experiences in my hands that early life experiences in my hands that early life experiences in my hands that were not good and so I can't say what's were not good and so I can't say what's were not good and so I can't say what's what what I can say is that we're it's what what I can say is that we're it's what what I can say is that we're it's pretty clear in the research that good pretty clear in the research that good pretty clear in the research that good mothering equals more resilience mothering equals more resilience mothering equals more resilience which is just your ability to bounce which is just your ability to bounce which is just your ability to bounce back from stress good mothering back from stress good mothering back from stress good mothering um it it even promotes long-term Health um it it even promotes long-term Health um it it even promotes long-term Health like I mean it's just the research is like I mean it's just the research is like I mean it's just the research is pretty clear that good mothering is pretty clear that good mothering is pretty clear that good mothering is important so I take that very seriously important so I take that very seriously important so I take that very seriously when getting a puppy now and it's not when getting a puppy now and it's not when getting a puppy now and it's not something that I think is talked about something that I think is talked about something that I think is talked about in agility circles a whole lot so I in agility circles a whole lot so I in agility circles a whole lot so I think it's important to I've I've never think it's important to I've I've never think it's important to I've I've never heard it talked about in agility circles heard it talked about in agility circles heard it talked about in agility circles at all yeah yeah it's more like well how at all yeah yeah it's more like well how at all yeah yeah it's more like well how fast is she yeah what's she done in her fast is she yeah what's she done in her fast is she yeah what's she done in her what's her agility career yeah yeah what's her agility career yeah yeah

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what's her agility career yeah yeah right yeah right yeah right yeah interesting and interesting and interesting and then now especially with um car then now especially with um car then now especially with um car obviously growing up in that what kind obviously growing up in that what kind obviously growing up in that what kind of teenage dog behaviors have you of teenage dog behaviors have you of teenage dog behaviors have you noticed and what seven skills that you noticed and what seven skills that you noticed and what seven skills that you have in your online course would you say have in your online course would you say have in your online course would you say is like really important I remember with is like really important I remember with is like really important I remember with my dog Swift teenage uh phase was my dog Swift teenage uh phase was my dog Swift teenage uh phase was something that surprised me you know something that surprised me you know something that surprised me you know like I knew it was coming but I did not like I knew it was coming but I did not like I knew it was coming but I did not like feel how it would be and it was like feel how it would be and it was like feel how it would be and it was very very tough us so very very tough us so very very tough us so yeah I love talking about K9 adolescence yeah I love talking about K9 adolescence yeah I love talking about K9 adolescence because it really throws everybody and because it really throws everybody and because it really throws everybody and because it is really hard and in these because it is really hard and in these because it is really hard and in these really high intensity dogs that we like really high intensity dogs that we like really high intensity dogs that we like and pick on purpose for sports it's and pick on purpose for sports it's and pick on purpose for sports it's worse so and so Carson is Carson's worse so and so Carson is Carson's worse so and so Carson is Carson's definitely not been free of of struggles definitely not been free of of struggles definitely not been free of of struggles like she's got all the normal stuff like she's got all the normal stuff like she's got all the normal stuff she's got a little like she's having her she's got a little like she's having her she's got a little like she's having her first heat cycle right now and about a first heat cycle right now and about a first heat cycle right now and about a month leading up to it she became more month leading up to it she became more month leading up to it she became more reactive to noises in her environment um

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reactive to noises in her environment um reactive to noises in her environment um very normal because I am where I'm at very normal because I am where I'm at very normal because I am where I'm at now in my kind of process of working now in my kind of process of working now in my kind of process of working with dogs I've been very relaxed about with dogs I've been very relaxed about with dogs I've been very relaxed about it all but I certainly have not always it all but I certainly have not always it all but I certainly have not always had this ability to be like that will go had this ability to be like that will go had this ability to be like that will go away I know that that will be away I know that that will be away I know that that will be fine but um I can do it now so she's fine but um I can do it now so she's fine but um I can do it now so she's also had some some responses to other also had some some responses to other also had some some responses to other dogs that I wasn't crazy about as well dogs that I wasn't crazy about as well dogs that I wasn't crazy about as well in the last like month or two nothing in the last like month or two nothing in the last like month or two nothing that again I'm stressed about at all she that again I'm stressed about at all she that again I'm stressed about at all she has she you know a little more worried has she you know a little more worried has she you know a little more worried about stuff just and generally that's about stuff just and generally that's about stuff just and generally that's the direction border Coles usually go is the direction border Coles usually go is the direction border Coles usually go is they just get more scared of stuff they just get more scared of stuff they just get more scared of stuff because they are this is the other thing because they are this is the other thing because they are this is the other thing nobody talks about they're kind of a nobody talks about they're kind of a nobody talks about they're kind of a fearful breed of dog like people have fearful breed of dog like people have fearful breed of dog like people have had War Coles only for too long forget had War Coles only for too long forget had War Coles only for too long forget what normal dogs are what normal dogs are what normal dogs are like they're not they're not normal at like they're not they're not normal at like they're not they're not normal at all and they are more scared than most all and they are more scared than most all and they are more scared than most so in adolescence they get more scared so in adolescence they get more scared

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so in adolescence they get more scared and then based on kind of what their and then based on kind of what their and then based on kind of what their Baseline temperament is and probably Baseline temperament is and probably Baseline temperament is and probably what their environment has been like up what their environment has been like up what their environment has been like up to that point the way they respond to to that point the way they respond to to that point the way they respond to that fear might be for W types of that fear might be for W types of that fear might be for W types of behavior like reactivity um like behavior like reactivity um like behavior like reactivity um like aggression or might be avoidance types aggression or might be avoidance types aggression or might be avoidance types of behavior like scared I'm going to go of behavior like scared I'm going to go of behavior like scared I'm going to go hide so my dog Felix who's um the guy hide so my dog Felix who's um the guy hide so my dog Felix who's um the guy who didn't have he had his wonderful who didn't have he had his wonderful who didn't have he had his wonderful breeder but not a good mama dog um breeder but not a good mama dog um breeder but not a good mama dog um he always would Retreat so it was always he always would Retreat so it was always he always would Retreat so it was always I'm GNA hide under the bed it was always I'm GNA hide under the bed it was always I'm GNA hide under the bed it was always like that's that's who he is as a person like that's that's who he is as a person like that's that's who he is as a person and and and then Carson and digy both much more then Carson and digy both much more then Carson and digy both much more forward much more forward much more forward much more um you know like when she hears a noise um you know like when she hears a noise um you know like when she hears a noise that upsets her she's running around that upsets her she's running around that upsets her she's running around barking at it as opposed to I'm G to go barking at it as opposed to I'm G to go barking at it as opposed to I'm G to go hide under the bed so it's just how her hide under the bed so it's just how her hide under the bed so it's just how her response is so it's both about a fear response is so it's both about a fear response is so it's both about a fear response but it's just how it's coming response but it's just how it's coming response but it's just how it's coming out for her and then she's definitely out for her and then she's definitely

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out for her and then she's definitely struggled ever since I got her the only struggled ever since I got her the only struggled ever since I got her the only thing that I would say is like an actual thing that I would say is like an actual thing that I would say is like an actual problem is that she was afraid of moving problem is that she was afraid of moving problem is that she was afraid of moving Vehicles which is extremely normal for Vehicles which is extremely normal for Vehicles which is extremely normal for the breed as well again how does it the breed as well again how does it the breed as well again how does it manifest it can manifest in trying to manifest it can manifest in trying to manifest it can manifest in trying to chase and control moving vehicles and chase and control moving vehicles and chase and control moving vehicles and you can get major Obsession on that you can get major Obsession on that you can get major Obsession on that that's very dangerous obviously and it that's very dangerous obviously and it that's very dangerous obviously and it can also look like Escape avoidance it can also look like Escape avoidance it can also look like Escape avoidance it looked like Escape avoidance up until I looked like Escape avoidance up until I looked like Escape avoidance up until I think she was six or seven months old think she was six or seven months old think she was six or seven months old when she lunged and yelled at a car at when she lunged and yelled at a car at when she lunged and yelled at a car at an agility an agility an agility trial um she hasn't done that again trial um she hasn't done that again trial um she hasn't done that again because I'm you know I've crafted this because I'm you know I've crafted this because I'm you know I've crafted this huge Behavior mod plan for the car stuff huge Behavior mod plan for the car stuff huge Behavior mod plan for the car stuff that we've actually been I've known it that we've actually been I've known it that we've actually been I've known it was going to be a process was going to be a process was going to be a process ever since I first saw it in her ever since I first saw it in her ever since I first saw it in her so we've you know I've worked really so we've you know I've worked really so we've you know I've worked really hard I'm going to keep working hard I hard I'm going to keep working hard I hard I'm going to keep working hard I don't think it will be something I will don't think it will be something I will don't think it will be something I will consider behind me until she is like two

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consider behind me until she is like two consider behind me until she is like two and a half three years old simply and a half three years old simply and a half three years old simply because of how difficult adolescence is because of how difficult adolescence is because of how difficult adolescence is but you know she can walk around the but you know she can walk around the but you know she can walk around the agility trial with moving vehicles and agility trial with moving vehicles and agility trial with moving vehicles and not have a problem today and that's the not have a problem today and that's the not have a problem today and that's the other mistake people make because they other mistake people make because they other mistake people make because they go good check that's done no it's not go good check that's done no it's not go good check that's done no it's not she's 12 months old nothing is done yeah she's 12 months old nothing is done yeah she's 12 months old nothing is done yeah her brain's not done developing she does her brain's not done developing she does her brain's not done developing she does she hasn't made up her mind about she hasn't made up her mind about she hasn't made up her mind about anything so those are kind of the things anything so those are kind of the things anything so those are kind of the things that I've seen pop up in her that I've seen pop up in her that I've seen pop up in her specifically but things that pop up for specifically but things that pop up for specifically but things that pop up for people is that they find out that their people is that they find out that their people is that they find out that their puppy cares about stuff that they didn't puppy cares about stuff that they didn't puppy cares about stuff that they didn't know how much they cared about it and know how much they cared about it and know how much they cared about it and then their puppy won't do the things then their puppy won't do the things then their puppy won't do the things that they want them to do so really that they want them to do so really that they want them to do so really really common one especially again in really common one especially again in really common one especially again in Border Coles is refusing to come inside Border Coles is refusing to come inside Border Coles is refusing to come inside from outside or like refusing to get in from outside or like refusing to get in from outside or like refusing to get in the car at the end of the Walk things the car at the end of the Walk things the car at the end of the Walk things like that like no I can't possibly have

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like that like no I can't possibly have like that like no I can't possibly have the fun be over those kinds of behaviors the fun be over those kinds of behaviors the fun be over those kinds of behaviors start to show up so that's where I have start to show up so that's where I have start to show up so that's where I have these seven skills a lot of the seven these seven skills a lot of the seven these seven skills a lot of the seven skills in teenage tyrants which is the skills in teenage tyrants which is the skills in teenage tyrants which is the course are about what are you going to course are about what are you going to course are about what are you going to do in that moment because what you do in that moment because what you do in that moment because what you should not do in that moment is try to should not do in that moment is try to should not do in that moment is try to trick them yeah and that's what trick them yeah and that's what trick them yeah and that's what everybody does yeah right they run in everybody does yeah right they run in everybody does yeah right they run in and they get their cookie or they get and they get their cookie or they get and they get their cookie or they get their toy or they like they try to trick their toy or they like they try to trick their toy or they like they try to trick them that's going to work for you one them that's going to work for you one them that's going to work for you one time yeah it's not going to work for you time yeah it's not going to work for you time yeah it's not going to work for you a second time a second time a second time and I would argue it degrades the and I would argue it degrades the and I would argue it degrades the relationship and the trust so because I relationship and the trust so because I relationship and the trust so because I just have again the dogs we select for just have again the dogs we select for just have again the dogs we select for agility the dogs we like for agility agility the dogs we like for agility agility the dogs we like for agility they're not trickable yeah they're too they're not trickable yeah they're too they're not trickable yeah they're too smart right smart right smart right so um something I call a caller give I so um something I call a caller give I so um something I call a caller give I deliberately call it a give because I'm deliberately call it a give because I'm deliberately call it a give because I'm never reaching at the dog in the never reaching at the dog in the never reaching at the dog in the training process it's all teaching the training process it's all teaching the

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training process it's all teaching the dog to come to and put their collar in dog to come to and put their collar in dog to come to and put their collar in my hand that's going to be that's a big my hand that's going to be that's a big my hand that's going to be that's a big one um yielding to leash pressure cuz I one um yielding to leash pressure cuz I one um yielding to leash pressure cuz I will just use a line like if they don't will just use a line like if they don't will just use a line like if they don't want to come in from outside they're want to come in from outside they're want to come in from outside they're dragging a long line outside because I'm dragging a long line outside because I'm dragging a long line outside because I'm not going to call you I'm not going to not going to call you I'm not going to not going to call you I'm not going to waste my precious recall on this moment waste my precious recall on this moment waste my precious recall on this moment I'm just gonna pull you on in Carson I'm just gonna pull you on in Carson I'm just gonna pull you on in Carson definitely um has spent some time having definitely um has spent some time having definitely um has spent some time having a line on outside because she has told a line on outside because she has told a line on outside because she has told me that she doesn't want to come in and me that she doesn't want to come in and me that she doesn't want to come in and here's why so just the other day I let here's why so just the other day I let here's why so just the other day I let my dogs into the backyard without my dogs into the backyard without my dogs into the backyard without looking and there was a black bear in my looking and there was a black bear in my looking and there was a black bear in my yard and when I looked up I saw the bear yard and when I looked up I saw the bear yard and when I looked up I saw the bear and went oh okay recalled everyone she and went oh okay recalled everyone she and went oh okay recalled everyone she and Rea my other young dog both haired and Rea my other young dog both haired and Rea my other young dog both haired up and were barking and like oh my God up and were barking and like oh my God up and were barking and like oh my God what is that yeah and I called them and what is that yeah and I called them and what is that yeah and I called them and they came immediately amazing if I had they came immediately amazing if I had they came immediately amazing if I had been calling Carson in from the backyard been calling Carson in from the backyard

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been calling Carson in from the backyard and fighting with her about this and and fighting with her about this and and fighting with her about this and having this argument yeah do you think having this argument yeah do you think having this argument yeah do you think that would have happened for me yeah no that would have happened for me yeah no that would have happened for me yeah no right so just okay if I know you don't right so just okay if I know you don't right so just okay if I know you don't want to come in I'm just going to want to come in I'm just going to want to come in I'm just going to facilitate you coming in by you wearing facilitate you coming in by you wearing facilitate you coming in by you wearing a a a line versus wasting my precious recall line versus wasting my precious recall line versus wasting my precious recall in this in this in this moment because my recall is precious moment because my recall is precious moment because my recall is precious because it got us away from the bear because it got us away from the bear because it got us away from the bear that was in the backyard the other day that was in the backyard the other day that was in the backyard the other day so those are things like those are big so those are things like those are big so those are things like those are big big things it's you're going to yield to big things it's you're going to yield to big things it's you're going to yield to leash pressure just anytime it leashes leash pressure just anytime it leashes leash pressure just anytime it leashes on you you feel pressure just move into on you you feel pressure just move into on you you feel pressure just move into it it's no big deal rather than fight it it it's no big deal rather than fight it it it's no big deal rather than fight it which is your natural which is your natural which is your natural inclination and then the I will just I inclination and then the I will just I inclination and then the I will just I won't go through all seven but there are won't go through all seven but there are won't go through all seven but there are two that go together which is um two that go together which is um two that go together which is um settling or all kind kind of call that settling or all kind kind of call that settling or all kind kind of call that self-regulation so the choice to choose self-regulation so the choice to choose self-regulation so the choice to choose relax like the choice to choose clone relax like the choice to choose clone relax like the choice to choose clone behaviors when you would like to choose behaviors when you would like to choose

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behaviors when you would like to choose other behaviors is a big one and that other behaviors is a big one and that other behaviors is a big one and that gets tied in with what I would call anti gets tied in with what I would call anti gets tied in with what I would call anti type of stuff so fear of missing out so type of stuff so fear of missing out so type of stuff so fear of missing out so like anti fomo is basically the choice like anti fomo is basically the choice like anti fomo is basically the choice to wait it's like the it's understanding to wait it's like the it's understanding to wait it's like the it's understanding that your turn will come and I'll be that your turn will come and I'll be that your turn will come and I'll be clear about when your turn clear about when your turn clear about when your turn is um those behaviors go together is um those behaviors go together is um those behaviors go together because they are they're just because they are they're just because they are they're just self-regulatory skills and I teach those self-regulatory skills and I teach those self-regulatory skills and I teach those first through crate training my happy first through crate training my happy first through crate training my happy cring program and then through I'm cring program and then through I'm cring program and then through I'm actually using tethering a lot now and actually using tethering a lot now and actually using tethering a lot now and then I have some exercises as well in then I have some exercises as well in then I have some exercises as well in the course it's just it's not about the course it's just it's not about the course it's just it's not about inducing enough frustration that they inducing enough frustration that they inducing enough frustration that they can't make the right choice it's can't make the right choice it's can't make the right choice it's about having it's about providing them about having it's about providing them about having it's about providing them the skills to understand in this context the skills to understand in this context the skills to understand in this context I should be relaxed and then fading I should be relaxed and then fading I should be relaxed and then fading fading in some of those more challenging fading in some of those more challenging fading in some of those more challenging pieces to that context so if the dog pieces to that context so if the dog pieces to that context so if the dog understands on a tether I should be understands on a tether I should be understands on a tether I should be relaxed then I can put you on a tether

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relaxed then I can put you on a tether relaxed then I can put you on a tether on your on your on your station and switch you out while I train station and switch you out while I train station and switch you out while I train another dog another dog another dog and again I'm not going to pop you on a and again I'm not going to pop you on a and again I'm not going to pop you on a tether on your station and run a dog in tether on your station and run a dog in tether on your station and run a dog in agility that's barking and screaming and agility that's barking and screaming and agility that's barking and screaming and cause you to hang yourself it's going to cause you to hang yourself it's going to cause you to hang yourself it's going to be I'm doing a down stay with this dog be I'm doing a down stay with this dog be I'm doing a down stay with this dog and then I switch you out so like it's and then I switch you out so like it's and then I switch you out so like it's everything that I do is very gradual to everything that I do is very gradual to everything that I do is very gradual to try to avoid a big frustration response try to avoid a big frustration response try to avoid a big frustration response but that would be the the one of the but that would be the the one of the but that would be the the one of the other skills in that course yeah yeah other skills in that course yeah yeah other skills in that course yeah yeah that's so interesting are you just that's so interesting are you just that's so interesting are you just saying about you know border Coles like saying about you know border Coles like saying about you know border Coles like being so different to other dogs like being so different to other dogs like being so different to other dogs like obviously my my youngest two were a obviously my my youngest two were a obviously my my youngest two were a border Coles and I had Shelties before border Coles and I had Shelties before border Coles and I had Shelties before that and then now I've got my Pomeranian that and then now I've got my Pomeranian that and then now I've got my Pomeranian who's like just like a breath of fresh who's like just like a breath of fresh who's like just like a breath of fresh air sometimes it's just like that's my air sometimes it's just like that's my air sometimes it's just like that's my no yeah it's very I have an Icelandic I no yeah it's very I have an Icelandic I no yeah it's very I have an Icelandic I have an Icelandic sheep dog named rehea have an Icelandic sheep dog named rehea have an Icelandic sheep dog named rehea she's my first non borali in 25 years

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she's my first non borali in 25 years she's my first non borali in 25 years and I'm like okay I was right yes this and I'm like okay I was right yes this and I'm like okay I was right yes this is a normal dog is a normal dog is a normal dog and because sometimes I think with like and because sometimes I think with like and because sometimes I think with like my border colleagues I'm like oh my gosh my border colleagues I'm like oh my gosh my border colleagues I'm like oh my gosh was it me did I do something and then was it me did I do something and then was it me did I do something and then like got this poem who's like loves like got this poem who's like loves like got this poem who's like loves everyone and everything and there was everyone and everything and there was everyone and everything and there was like thunderstorm last night and I've like thunderstorm last night and I've like thunderstorm last night and I've got my two colleagues just like like got my two colleagues just like like got my two colleagues just like like we're in Johannesburg so like the storms we're in Johannesburg so like the storms we're in Johannesburg so like the storms here are like really really HEC like here are like really really HEC like here are like really really HEC like when I first moved here I was terrified when I first moved here I was terrified when I first moved here I was terrified I was like oh my gosh the sky is like I was like oh my gosh the sky is like I was like oh my gosh the sky is like cracking open and my palm is just like cracking open and my palm is just like cracking open and my palm is just like whatever and the the colleag are like oh whatever and the the colleag are like oh whatever and the the colleag are like oh my God you know like in crates and stuff my God you know like in crates and stuff my God you know like in crates and stuff and just like and also if your palm was and just like and also if your palm was and just like and also if your palm was a little worried you could probably talk a little worried you could probably talk a little worried you could probably talk him out of it like yeah the that's the him out of it like yeah the that's the him out of it like yeah the that's the the thing with rehea is like everything the thing with rehea is like everything the thing with rehea is like everything that's supposed to work that's supposed to work that's supposed to work works yeah and then that's just not how works yeah and then that's just not how works yeah and then that's just not how it is with the B of Collies yeah yeah no it is with the B of Collies yeah yeah no

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it is with the B of Collies yeah yeah no definitely and I've noticed with my definitely and I've noticed with my definitely and I've noticed with my colleag [ __ ] as well so she's gonna be colleag [ __ ] as well so she's gonna be colleag [ __ ] as well so she's gonna be two in August at the end of August and I two in August at the end of August and I two in August at the end of August and I like I definitely noticed like she like I definitely noticed like she like I definitely noticed like she started getting reactive just before her started getting reactive just before her started getting reactive just before her first season and then between her first first season and then between her first first season and then between her first and second season she was just like I and second season she was just like I and second season she was just like I just don't want other dogs near me at just don't want other dogs near me at just don't want other dogs near me at all like you know she's got no interest all like you know she's got no interest all like you know she's got no interest in like she wants to work and she would in like she wants to work and she would in like she wants to work and she would rather just hurt other dogs she doesn't rather just hurt other dogs she doesn't rather just hurt other dogs she doesn't has got no interest in like you know has got no interest in like you know has got no interest in like you know taking her to a dog park for example taking her to a dog park for example taking her to a dog park for example would just be like the worst thing for would just be like the worst thing for would just be like the worst thing for her because she doesn't want other dogs her because she doesn't want other dogs her because she doesn't want other dogs coming up to her and sniffing her and coming up to her and sniffing her and coming up to her and sniffing her and everything but then I've noticed her everything but then I've noticed her everything but then I've noticed her second season she's like a lot more second season she's like a lot more second season she's like a lot more relaxed and I still won't take her to relaxed and I still won't take her to relaxed and I still won't take her to dog parks because that my dogs don't dog parks because that my dogs don't dog parks because that my dogs don't need to go to dog parks it's not a thing need to go to dog parks it's not a thing need to go to dog parks it's not a thing you know they have their my dog friends you know they have their my dog friends you know they have their my dog friends and they have their friends you know so

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and they have their friends you know so and they have their friends you know so they get to socialize with the dogs I they get to socialize with the dogs I they get to socialize with the dogs I want them to socialize with and stuff want them to socialize with and stuff want them to socialize with and stuff but like do you notice like a difference but like do you notice like a difference but like do you notice like a difference like as they mature and do you do like I like as they mature and do you do like I like as they mature and do you do like I don't know you know like when they are don't know you know like when they are don't know you know like when they are going through adolescence like if you going through adolescence like if you going through adolescence like if you make too much of a thing of behavior make too much of a thing of behavior make too much of a thing of behavior like do you kind of use management more like do you kind of use management more like do you kind of use management more or do you like teach them better choices or do you like teach them better choices or do you like teach them better choices I don't know what's your kind of yeah I don't know what's your kind of yeah I don't know what's your kind of yeah good question so good question so good question so first of all yeah with the girls second first of all yeah with the girls second first of all yeah with the girls second heat cycle you just like what you heat cycle you just like what you heat cycle you just like what you described you're going to see similar described you're going to see similar described you're going to see similar stuff but like it's not going to be as stuff but like it's not going to be as stuff but like it's not going to be as big of a deal the first one is a rough big of a deal the first one is a rough big of a deal the first one is a rough ride like just survive the first one ride like just survive the first one ride like just survive the first one don't make any don't decide that they don't make any don't decide that they don't make any don't decide that they are any way during that time just yes are any way during that time just yes are any way during that time just yes manage through those times I like to manage through those times I like to manage through those times I like to manage through most things in the hopes manage through most things in the hopes manage through most things in the hopes that it will go away because I don't that it will go away because I don't that it will go away because I don't want to work that hard want to work that hard want to work that hard [Laughter] [Laughter]

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[Laughter] so but also because we do make it worse so but also because we do make it worse so but also because we do make it worse by trying to work on a lot of these by trying to work on a lot of these by trying to work on a lot of these things so if I had deliberately taken things so if I had deliberately taken things so if I had deliberately taken Carson out and like tried to counter Carson out and like tried to counter Carson out and like tried to counter condition her to moving vehicles for condition her to moving vehicles for condition her to moving vehicles for instance I would have created a serious instance I would have created a serious instance I would have created a serious problem because it would have gone one problem because it would have gone one problem because it would have gone one of two ways she either would have been of two ways she either would have been of two ways she either would have been like oh okay cars are super important like oh okay cars are super important like oh okay cars are super important which is not what I want or she would which is not what I want or she would which is not what I want or she would have just gotten more scared because I have just gotten more scared because I have just gotten more scared because I am this [ __ ] that's trying to tell her am this [ __ ] that's trying to tell her am this [ __ ] that's trying to tell her that it's not scary when she says yes it that it's not scary when she says yes it that it's not scary when she says yes it is yeah right so it's it really can go a is yeah right so it's it really can go a is yeah right so it's it really can go a lot of different ways I also think that lot of different ways I also think that lot of different ways I also think that the majority this is probably like I the majority this is probably like I the majority this is probably like I could get in trouble for the statement could get in trouble for the statement could get in trouble for the statement but I think that the majority of but I think that the majority of but I think that the majority of what head dog trainers are working with what head dog trainers are working with what head dog trainers are working with that we label that we label that we label reactivity which is the majority of most reactivity which is the majority of most reactivity which is the majority of most pet dog trainers clientele right now or pet dog trainers clientele right now or pet dog trainers clientele right now or pet dog trainers who are working in pet dog trainers who are working in pet dog trainers who are working in Behavior Behavior

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Behavior lots of what we call reactivity so just lots of what we call reactivity so just lots of what we call reactivity so just Barky lungy Behavior usually directed to Barky lungy Behavior usually directed to Barky lungy Behavior usually directed to other dogs usually when the dog is on other dogs usually when the dog is on other dogs usually when the dog is on leash I think most of that develops leash I think most of that develops leash I think most of that develops through the mismanagement of normal through the mismanagement of normal through the mismanagement of normal adolescent periods yeah yeah so what adolescent periods yeah yeah so what adolescent periods yeah yeah so what that means is if my puppy thinks other that means is if my puppy thinks other that means is if my puppy thinks other dogs are really important my job is to dogs are really important my job is to dogs are really important my job is to swing the pendulum the other way and go swing the pendulum the other way and go swing the pendulum the other way and go towards neutrality if my puppy thinks towards neutrality if my puppy thinks towards neutrality if my puppy thinks other dogs are really scar other dogs are really scar other dogs are really scar then my job is to again help the then my job is to again help the then my job is to again help the pendulum swing back towards know they're pendulum swing back towards know they're pendulum swing back towards know they're actually good you like them and it is actually good you like them and it is actually good you like them and it is Case by case and then it is extremely Case by case and then it is extremely Case by case and then it is extremely normal to see some normal to see some normal to see some heightened responses to other dogs which heightened responses to other dogs which heightened responses to other dogs which reactivity is just an overreaction to a reactivity is just an overreaction to a reactivity is just an overreaction to a normal stimulus right so yeah heightened normal stimulus right so yeah heightened normal stimulus right so yeah heightened responses are really normal if I responses are really normal if I responses are really normal if I continue to put my dog in situations continue to put my dog in situations continue to put my dog in situations where they're having a heightened where they're having a heightened where they're having a heightened response I am creating a problem even if response I am creating a problem even if response I am creating a problem even if I think that I'm doing so in order to I think that I'm doing so in order to

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I think that I'm doing so in order to train them through it and I think that train them through it and I think that train them through it and I think that what we do is what we do is what we do is we put them we continue to put them in we put them we continue to put them in we put them we continue to put them in situations that they have said loud and situations that they have said loud and situations that they have said loud and clear are too hard for clear are too hard for clear are too hard for them because we have all of these really them because we have all of these really them because we have all of these really powerful things we can do like the powerful things we can do like the powerful things we can do like the entire entire entire um the the entirety of the control um the the entirety of the control um the the entirety of the control Unleashed program for instance yeah um Unleashed program for instance yeah um Unleashed program for instance yeah um which is fabulous I'm not not saying which is fabulous I'm not not saying which is fabulous I'm not not saying that that it's bad what I'm saying is that that it's bad what I'm saying is that that it's bad what I'm saying is that when you use a pattern game for that when you use a pattern game for that when you use a pattern game for instance from that program and your dog instance from that program and your dog instance from that program and your dog is able to then engage in the pattern is able to then engage in the pattern is able to then engage in the pattern game and therefore they're not reacting game and therefore they're not reacting game and therefore they're not reacting and you tell yourself a story that that and you tell yourself a story that that and you tell yourself a story that that means that they're fine you're wrong means that they're fine you're wrong means that they're fine you're wrong yeah it doesn't mean that they're fine yeah it doesn't mean that they're fine yeah it doesn't mean that they're fine that's a way for you to survive a that's a way for you to survive a that's a way for you to survive a situation that could be a great way for situation that could be a great way for situation that could be a great way for you to survive a situation but you you to survive a situation but you you to survive a situation but you should not keep deliberately putting should not keep deliberately putting should not keep deliberately putting them in situ where you need that yeah them in situ where you need that yeah them in situ where you need that yeah I'm deliberately going to put my dog in I'm deliberately going to put my dog in

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I'm deliberately going to put my dog in situations where I know they're going to situations where I know they're going to situations where I know they're going to succeed succeed succeed and so it I think a lot of the and so it I think a lot of the and so it I think a lot of the mismanagement of these adolescent mismanagement of these adolescent mismanagement of these adolescent periods is where we do get big problems periods is where we do get big problems periods is where we do get big problems and usually the mismanagement is people and usually the mismanagement is people and usually the mismanagement is people trying to work on it not people not trying to work on it not people not trying to work on it not people not working on it yeah yeah and do you think working on it yeah yeah and do you think working on it yeah yeah and do you think like over socialization has something to like over socialization has something to like over socialization has something to do with it as well like you know like do with it as well like you know like do with it as well like you know like there's still like a lot of like oh there's still like a lot of like oh there's still like a lot of like oh puppy clients for example still think puppy clients for example still think puppy clients for example still think that you know like you have to meet like that you know like you have to meet like that you know like you have to meet like a hundred dogs for example or like you I a hundred dogs for example or like you I a hundred dogs for example or like you I think especially with colleagues as well think especially with colleagues as well think especially with colleagues as well I think you can kind of overdo it with I think you can kind of overdo it with I think you can kind of overdo it with the socialization like you know if you the socialization like you know if you the socialization like you know if you take them to say and new place every take them to say and new place every take them to say and new place every single day for example oh yeah for most single day for example oh yeah for most single day for example oh yeah for most col that's way too much and then do they col that's way too much and then do they col that's way too much and then do they get to that point then where adolescent get to that point then where adolescent get to that point then where adolescent kicks in and all of a sudden they just kicks in and all of a sudden they just kicks in and all of a sudden they just like like like explode yeah again like my approach to explode yeah again like my approach to

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explode yeah again like my approach to puppy socialization is is different from puppy socialization is is different from puppy socialization is is different from I think what status quo is and again it I think what status quo is and again it I think what status quo is and again it is individualized it's what do I think is individualized it's what do I think is individualized it's what do I think you need to improve your worldview as an you need to improve your worldview as an you need to improve your worldview as an individual yeah um individual yeah um individual yeah um I again think that like if you're P like I again think that like if you're P like I again think that like if you're P like you go to puppy kindergarten They're all you go to puppy kindergarten They're all you go to puppy kindergarten They're all playing and they're all having a great playing and they're all having a great playing and they're all having a great time like I don't think that going to a time like I don't think that going to a time like I don't think that going to a six-week puppy class where your puppy six-week puppy class where your puppy six-week puppy class where your puppy plays with other puppies is going to plays with other puppies is going to plays with other puppies is going to cause is not is going to make or break cause is not is going to make or break cause is not is going to make or break anything it's not going to be the reason anything it's not going to be the reason anything it's not going to be the reason your dog is dog social as an adult and your dog is dog social as an adult and your dog is dog social as an adult and it's not going to be the reason your dog it's not going to be the reason your dog it's not going to be the reason your dog is reactive on barring trauma like if is reactive on barring trauma like if is reactive on barring trauma like if the puppy's traumatized in class you are the puppy's traumatized in class you are the puppy's traumatized in class you are creating a problem but it's it's creating a problem but it's it's creating a problem but it's it's everything else so like Carson did go to everything else so like Carson did go to everything else so like Carson did go to my friend's P series of puppy classes my friend's P series of puppy classes my friend's P series of puppy classes and I chose not to let her play because and I chose not to let her play because and I chose not to let her play because she was feeling quite intense about them she was feeling quite intense about them she was feeling quite intense about them all running around anyway and so I said

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all running around anyway and so I said all running around anyway and so I said you know what I'm going to do is work on you know what I'm going to do is work on you know what I'm going to do is work on your self-reg at skills your self-reg at skills your self-reg at skills instead shout out to my friend who lets instead shout out to my friend who lets instead shout out to my friend who lets me do whatever I want in her class which me do whatever I want in her class which me do whatever I want in her class which is really nice of her um is really nice of her um is really nice of her um and I might have had a puppy that I and I might have had a puppy that I and I might have had a puppy that I would let play like it just depends on would let play like it just depends on would let play like it just depends on what they look like to me when they're what they look like to me when they're what they look like to me when they're in that class um and in that class um and in that class um and so I think it's all about what does this so I think it's all about what does this so I think it's all about what does this individual look like they can use more individual look like they can use more individual look like they can use more of what does this individual look like of what does this individual look like of what does this individual look like they need less of they need less of they need less of I'm really big into teaching them skills I'm really big into teaching them skills I'm really big into teaching them skills first and then asking them to deal with first and then asking them to deal with first and then asking them to deal with things like I think instead with puppies things like I think instead with puppies things like I think instead with puppies we're just like just expose just expose we're just like just expose just expose we're just like just expose just expose when they don't have any skills because when they don't have any skills because when they don't have any skills because we've all been told this lie of the we've all been told this lie of the we've all been told this lie of the socialization window slapping shut at 12 socialization window slapping shut at 12 socialization window slapping shut at 12 weeks and we have to [ __ ] it's not even weeks and we have to [ __ ] it's not even weeks and we have to [ __ ] it's not even true it's not even real so we just walk true it's not even real so we just walk true it's not even real so we just walk away from it honestly go outside go in away from it honestly go outside go in away from it honestly go outside go in the woods let them climb on logs and

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the woods let them climb on logs and the woods let them climb on logs and fall in water and then figure out that fall in water and then figure out that fall in water and then figure out that they can survive and let and do that they can survive and let and do that they can survive and let and do that with other adult dogs so they are having with other adult dogs so they are having with other adult dogs so they are having a social experience and do that with new a social experience and do that with new a social experience and do that with new people that they don't know so that they people that they don't know so that they people that they don't know so that they are having that social experience um are having that social experience um are having that social experience um that's how I want it to look instead of that's how I want it to look instead of that's how I want it to look instead of these really contrived scenarios that we these really contrived scenarios that we these really contrived scenarios that we put dogs in for put dogs in for put dogs in for sure yeah and then do you find that sort sure yeah and then do you find that sort sure yeah and then do you find that sort of the males tend to behead harder with of the males tend to behead harder with of the males tend to behead harder with adolescence compared to adolescence compared to adolescence compared to females I think it's just different so females I think it's just different so females I think it's just different so the boys um it's just different do find the boys um it's just different do find the boys um it's just different do find these are gross overgeneralizations but these are gross overgeneralizations but these are gross overgeneralizations but I do find I do find that they are slower I do find I do find that they are slower I do find I do find that they are slower to have what looks like a mature brain to have what looks like a mature brain to have what looks like a mature brain to me definitely um and I think that to me definitely um and I think that to me definitely um and I think that their adolescence hits us harder because their adolescence hits us harder because their adolescence hits us harder because obnoxious intact male behaviors are obnoxious intact male behaviors are obnoxious intact male behaviors are obnoxious so they they start to right obnoxious so they they start to right obnoxious so they they start to right like they start to pee on stuff they do like they start to pee on stuff they do like they start to pee on stuff they do get really hyperfixated on other dogs a get really hyperfixated on other dogs a

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get really hyperfixated on other dogs a lot of the time because they're like I lot of the time because they're like I lot of the time because they're like I absolutely must know if you are going to absolutely must know if you are going to absolutely must know if you are going to be my wife or going to be my mortal be my wife or going to be my mortal be my wife or going to be my mortal enemy and those are the only two options enemy and those are the only two options enemy and those are the only two options that exist in the world right and if you that exist in the world right and if you that exist in the world right and if you and they're like and if you're gonna be and they're like and if you're gonna be and they're like and if you're gonna be my moral enemy we may as well just throw my moral enemy we may as well just throw my moral enemy we may as well just throw down right now like that's that's like down right now like that's that's like down right now like that's that's like most young intact males they're like I'm most young intact males they're like I'm most young intact males they're like I'm either gonna they're like pounding their either gonna they're like pounding their either gonna they're like pounding their chest and like they're just being chest and like they're just being chest and like they're just being ridiculous yeah Y and so I like for ridiculous yeah Y and so I like for ridiculous yeah Y and so I like for those guys to just again and again and those guys to just again and again and those guys to just again and again and again be proven wrong and shown how again be proven wrong and shown how again be proven wrong and shown how silly they are like any like I'm not silly they are like any like I'm not silly they are like any like I'm not going to expose you to any other going to expose you to any other going to expose you to any other adolescent males because they it's just adolescent males because they it's just adolescent males because they it's just G to be this chest G to be this chest G to be this chest pounding pounding pounding Ridiculousness show Ridiculousness show Ridiculousness show um I'm also thinking about humans right um I'm also thinking about humans right um I'm also thinking about humans right now and I'm thinking wouldn't it be now and I'm thinking wouldn't it be now and I'm thinking wouldn't it be interesting if interesting if interesting if like no adolescent males were allowed to like no adolescent males were allowed to like no adolescent males were allowed to be together and like teenage males were be together and like teenage males were

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be together and like teenage males were just you're you're just only allowed to just you're you're just only allowed to just you're you're just only allowed to be around like middle-aged women oh you be around like middle-aged women oh you be around like middle-aged women oh you would learn real quick because that's would learn real quick because that's would learn real quick because that's what I do that's what I do to my young what I do that's what I do to my young what I do that's what I do to my young males they're around confident adult males they're around confident adult males they're around confident adult females that's the only dogs that females that's the only dogs that females that's the only dogs that they're around confident adult females they're around confident adult females they're around confident adult females and then males who really are extremely and then males who really are extremely and then males who really are extremely confident in the sense that they're they confident in the sense that they're they confident in the sense that they're they just ignore all that behavior they're just ignore all that behavior they're just ignore all that behavior they're just like yeah you'll grow up get away just like yeah you'll grow up get away just like yeah you'll grow up get away from me um so it just is it's harder for from me um so it just is it's harder for from me um so it just is it's harder for us a lot of the time I don't think it's us a lot of the time I don't think it's us a lot of the time I don't think it's any harder for them like I think the any harder for them like I think the any harder for them like I think the girls are going through just as much as girls are going through just as much as girls are going through just as much as the boys are going through it's just the boys are going through it's just the boys are going through it's just that we deal better with the girl stuff that we deal better with the girl stuff that we deal better with the girl stuff because it isn't doesn't tend to be big because it isn't doesn't tend to be big because it isn't doesn't tend to be big dog directed feelings it can be like dog directed feelings it can be like dog directed feelings it can be like they can they will start to have their they can they will start to have their they can they will start to have their dog directed feelings during this age um dog directed feelings during this age um dog directed feelings during this age um if they're going to have if they're going to have if they're going to have them but they also you know it can be them but they also you know it can be

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them but they also you know it can be the fearfulness it could be and if you the fearfulness it could be and if you the fearfulness it could be and if you think about it like it all in my mind think about it like it all in my mind think about it like it all in my mind just relates back to um just relates back to um just relates back to um the role of the female dog versus the the role of the female dog versus the the role of the female dog versus the role of the male dog like his only goal role of the male dog like his only goal role of the male dog like his only goal is to find as many breeding Partners as is to find as many breeding Partners as is to find as many breeding Partners as possible Right whereas she actually possible Right whereas she actually possible Right whereas she actually needs to know if the environment is safe needs to know if the environment is safe needs to know if the environment is safe know if it's even safe to have puppies know if it's even safe to have puppies know if it's even safe to have puppies here know where her food's going to come here know where her food's going to come here know where her food's going to come from like she's she's thinking about from like she's she's thinking about from like she's she's thinking about different things so a lot and you know different things so a lot and you know different things so a lot and you know also especially in the United States um also especially in the United States um also especially in the United States um and Canada they're all SP a neuter like and Canada they're all SP a neuter like and Canada they're all SP a neuter like most of them are desexed very very young most of them are desexed very very young most of them are desexed very very young in this country in the agility Community in this country in the agility Community in this country in the agility Community it's a little bit different but it's a little bit different but it's a little bit different but adolescence also looks different if they adolescence also looks different if they adolescence also looks different if they don't have sex hormones so that's also a don't have sex hormones so that's also a don't have sex hormones so that's also a thing yeah yeah yeah yeah and I mean thing yeah yeah yeah yeah and I mean thing yeah yeah yeah yeah and I mean that's what happened literally to my boy that's what happened literally to my boy that's what happened literally to my boy and during that time he was attacked by and during that time he was attacked by and during that time he was attacked by another intact male um yeah so little

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another intact male um yeah so little another intact male um yeah so little friendly boy like quickly figured out friendly boy like quickly figured out friendly boy like quickly figured out that other boys are yeah yeah it's not that other boys are yeah yeah it's not that other boys are yeah yeah it's not good yeah we gota like you got to really good yeah we gota like you got to really good yeah we gota like you got to really protect them protect them protect them from you have to like I said you want from you have to like I said you want from you have to like I said you want you need to prove them wrong like you you need to prove them wrong like you you need to prove them wrong like you want to protect them from the experience want to protect them from the experience want to protect them from the experience of going I was right about that and so I of going I was right about that and so I of going I was right about that and so I do need to bring those behaviors to the do need to bring those behaviors to the do need to bring those behaviors to the table because I was right about table because I was right about table because I was right about it yeah whereas my like the ass that it yeah whereas my like the ass that it yeah whereas my like the ass that would like go into a p thing and like it would like go into a p thing and like it would like go into a p thing and like it be the one starting the like he just be the one starting the like he just be the one starting the like he just turned from my baby boy into like this turned from my baby boy into like this turned from my baby boy into like this horror and it was over lockdown as well horror and it was over lockdown as well horror and it was over lockdown as well so it was even worse it was just like yeah it's true and I have I have like yeah it's true and I have I have some good friends who work in animal some good friends who work in animal some good friends who work in animal Sheltering and rescue more than so like Sheltering and rescue more than so like Sheltering and rescue more than so like we have very different worlds because we have very different worlds because we have very different worlds because most of the dogs I work with were most of the dogs I work with were most of the dogs I work with were purchased on purpose yeah um and then purchased on purpose yeah um and then purchased on purpose yeah um and then most of the dogs they work with were not most of the dogs they work with were not most of the dogs they work with were not and really fascinating thing thing that and really fascinating thing thing that

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and really fascinating thing thing that I observe to be true I don't think I observe to be true I don't think I observe to be true I don't think there's any hard data on this but every there's any hard data on this but every there's any hard data on this but every time I bring it up to a shelter time I bring it up to a shelter time I bring it up to a shelter professional they go and they look and professional they go and they look and professional they go and they look and they come back and they're like yes it they come back and they're like yes it they come back and they're like yes it is true is that most of the dogs in the is true is that most of the dogs in the is true is that most of the dogs in the shelter are shelter are shelter are males interesting most of the dogs in males interesting most of the dogs in males interesting most of the dogs in the shelter and the rescue are males and the shelter and the rescue are males and the shelter and the rescue are males and most of them are most of them are most of them are adolescents yeah I remember actually adolescents yeah I remember actually adolescents yeah I remember actually before I started doing dog training many before I started doing dog training many before I started doing dog training many years ago I was volunteering at an years ago I was volunteering at an years ago I was volunteering at an animal shelter and the number of animal shelter and the number of animal shelter and the number of adolescent dogs from about six months adolescent dogs from about six months adolescent dogs from about six months onwards especially like I mean that's onwards especially like I mean that's onwards especially like I mean that's when that's when they're coming in right when that's when they're coming in right when that's when they're coming in right because that's when they become really because that's when they become really because that's when they become really really challenging but the the the weird really challenging but the the the weird really challenging but the the the weird amount of males versus females is that's amount of males versus females is that's amount of males versus females is that's interesting and also I most of the dogs interesting and also I most of the dogs interesting and also I most of the dogs in my clientele are males as well but um in my clientele are males as well but um in my clientele are males as well but um I don't know I don't know if any of that I don't know I don't know if any of that I don't know I don't know if any of that is true it's something that I think I is true it's something that I think I

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is true it's something that I think I observe that's interesting yeah I like observe that's interesting yeah I like observe that's interesting yeah I like you said I definitely noticed my male you said I definitely noticed my male you said I definitely noticed my male going through his adolescence was way going through his adolescence was way going through his adolescence was way worse than my girl going through her worse than my girl going through her worse than my girl going through her well individuals right yeah you might well individuals right yeah you might well individuals right yeah you might have a male who hasn't much easier time have a male who hasn't much easier time have a male who hasn't much easier time than certain females but I do I think than certain females but I do I think than certain females but I do I think that their adolescence is harder for us that their adolescence is harder for us that their adolescence is harder for us than males for sure yeah it was very than males for sure yeah it was very than males for sure yeah it was very tough for me tough for me tough for me yeah I just remember with my male Shelty yeah I just remember with my male Shelty yeah I just remember with my male Shelty Splash he was he was fine until he was Splash he was he was fine until he was Splash he was he was fine until he was about three and like he was always fine about three and like he was always fine about three and like he was always fine with other dogs but he'd puff himself up with other dogs but he'd puff himself up with other dogs but he'd puff himself up like I could always tell when he was like I could always tell when he was like I could always tell when he was another male because he'd look like a another male because he'd look like a another male because he'd look like a puffer fish or something he'd literally puffer fish or something he'd literally puffer fish or something he'd literally just like poof and just like himself up just like poof and just like himself up just like poof and just like himself up but it was when he started marking up but it was when he started marking up but it was when he started marking up things like his CRS qualifiers and things like his CRS qualifiers and things like his CRS qualifiers and Olympia qualifiers and like he'd be Olympia qualifiers and like he'd be Olympia qualifiers and like he'd be three years old and he loves agility you three years old and he loves agility you three years old and he loves agility you know like he loves to work he loves know like he loves to work he loves

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know like he loves to work he loves doing anything but like we would doing anything but like we would doing anything but like we would literally be midc course and all of a literally be midc course and all of a literally be midc course and all of a sudden he'd do his dog walk and then sudden he'd do his dog walk and then sudden he'd do his dog walk and then suddenly stop and sniff and like because suddenly stop and sniff and like because suddenly stop and sniff and like because he could smell this 9-year-old Spade he could smell this 9-year-old Spade he could smell this 9-year-old Spade [ __ ] Shelty who he was obsessed with [ __ ] Shelty who he was obsessed with [ __ ] Shelty who he was obsessed with who never gave him attention and he who never gave him attention and he who never gave him attention and he could smell her like 200 meters away or could smell her like 200 meters away or could smell her like 200 meters away or something you know and it was like those something you know and it was like those something you know and it was like those kinds of behaviors I was just kinds of behaviors I was just kinds of behaviors I was just like that was very like that was very like that was very frustrating so so yeah boys it's true frustrating so so yeah boys it's true frustrating so so yeah boys it's true they're challenging definitely they're challenging definitely they're challenging definitely yeah and then what tell us a little bit yeah and then what tell us a little bit yeah and then what tell us a little bit more firstly actually about the four more firstly actually about the four more firstly actually about the four steps to behavioral wildness which I steps to behavioral wildness which I steps to behavioral wildness which I love and I mean like we've I've actually love and I mean like we've I've actually love and I mean like we've I've actually followed that since hearing B it on Cog followed that since hearing B it on Cog followed that since hearing B it on Cog dog radio that's what saved me and my dog radio that's what saved me and my dog radio that's what saved me and my dog oh that makes me really happy to dog oh that makes me really happy to dog oh that makes me really happy to hear anytime somebody reaches out and hear anytime somebody reaches out and hear anytime somebody reaches out and says that that concept was helpful to says that that concept was helpful to says that that concept was helpful to them it makes me feel like I'm doing my them it makes me feel like I'm doing my them it makes me feel like I'm doing my life's work so I really appreciate it

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life's work so I really appreciate it life's work so I really appreciate it the four steps to behavioral Wellness is the four steps to behavioral Wellness is the four steps to behavioral Wellness is a concept that I really came up with a concept that I really came up with a concept that I really came up with quite a long time ago over 15 years ago quite a long time ago over 15 years ago quite a long time ago over 15 years ago in my just private work with um people in my just private work with um people in my just private work with um people in their pet dogs way before the podcast in their pet dogs way before the podcast in their pet dogs way before the podcast it is basically these four areas um that it is basically these four areas um that it is basically these four areas um that we need to focus on to help dogs we need to focus on to help dogs we need to focus on to help dogs function better and live better in the function better and live better in the function better and live better in the world so they are exercise enrichment world so they are exercise enrichment world so they are exercise enrichment nutrition and nutrition and nutrition and communication and something I also communication and something I also communication and something I also sometimes think about now is that if one sometimes think about now is that if one sometimes think about now is that if one of those things is kind of not able to of those things is kind of not able to of those things is kind of not able to be be be fully um met or fully given to them then fully um met or fully given to them then fully um met or fully given to them then the other three need to be the other three need to be the other three need to be stronger so that's also something that I stronger so that's also something that I stronger so that's also something that I like to think about now so for instance like to think about now so for instance like to think about now so for instance if the nutrition category is difficult if the nutrition category is difficult if the nutrition category is difficult because the dog has an illness that because the dog has an illness that because the dog has an illness that makes that less accept accessible like makes that less accept accessible like makes that less accept accessible like uh they have IBD or they have some other uh they have IBD or they have some other uh they have IBD or they have some other kind of deficiency like then the other kind of deficiency like then the other kind of deficiency like then the other three areas need to make up for it um if three areas need to make up for it um if

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three areas need to make up for it um if the dog has a communication struggle the dog has a communication struggle the dog has a communication struggle like maybe they're blind or maybe like maybe they're blind or maybe like maybe they're blind or maybe they're deaf or maybe they um you know they're deaf or maybe they um you know they're deaf or maybe they um you know have some other sort of difficulty in have some other sort of difficulty in have some other sort of difficulty in that realm the other three need to be that realm the other three need to be that realm the other three need to be stronger the one that I believe in the stronger the one that I believe in the stronger the one that I believe in the strongest and the one that I get in the strongest and the one that I get in the strongest and the one that I get in the most trouble for is the exercise one and most trouble for is the exercise one and most trouble for is the exercise one and the reason I get in the most trouble for the reason I get in the most trouble for the reason I get in the most trouble for it is because I think dogs should be off it is because I think dogs should be off it is because I think dogs should be off leash leash leash um I fully recognize what it takes to um I fully recognize what it takes to um I fully recognize what it takes to have dogs be off leash safely and I know have dogs be off leash safely and I know have dogs be off leash safely and I know that it takes to too much for a lot of that it takes to too much for a lot of that it takes to too much for a lot of people to be able to achieve and I also people to be able to achieve and I also people to be able to achieve and I also know that the legality around it know that the legality around it know that the legality around it varies people do always like to assume varies people do always like to assume varies people do always like to assume that I've always lived in a place where that I've always lived in a place where that I've always lived in a place where I could just walk out by a back door and I could just walk out by a back door and I could just walk out by a back door and find mountains of hiking trails and it's find mountains of hiking trails and it's find mountains of hiking trails and it's perfectly legal and it's all fine and perfectly legal and it's all fine and perfectly legal and it's all fine and like none of that's true like none of that's true like none of that's true um I none of that has ever been um I none of that has ever been um I none of that has ever been true what is true is that your ability true what is true is that your ability

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true what is true is that your ability to access off leash time for the dog to access off leash time for the dog to access off leash time for the dog doesn't have anything to do with whether doesn't have anything to do with whether doesn't have anything to do with whether they need it or not those are two they need it or not those are two they need it or not those are two different things your ability to do it different things your ability to do it different things your ability to do it is different from whether they need it is different from whether they need it is different from whether they need it or not if they need it and you can't do or not if they need it and you can't do or not if they need it and you can't do it that's where you need to find ways to it that's where you need to find ways to it that's where you need to find ways to fill in that Gap as best as you can so fill in that Gap as best as you can so fill in that Gap as best as you can so it's sort of it's sort of it's sort of like um if you have an animal living in like um if you have an animal living in like um if you have an animal living in any kind of captive environment in which any kind of captive environment in which any kind of captive environment in which you cannot you cannot you cannot provide what they quote unquote need provide what they quote unquote need provide what they quote unquote need mentally or mentally or mentally or physically like I don't think that a physically like I don't think that a physically like I don't think that a cheetah that doesn't actually get to cheetah that doesn't actually get to cheetah that doesn't actually get to chase down prey is being totally chase down prey is being totally chase down prey is being totally fulfilled in its life yeah if you have a fulfilled in its life yeah if you have a fulfilled in its life yeah if you have a cheetah in a cheetah in a cheetah in a zoo there are ways to try to help fill zoo there are ways to try to help fill zoo there are ways to try to help fill that Gap if and you wouldn't try to fill that Gap if and you wouldn't try to fill that Gap if and you wouldn't try to fill that Gap if you didn't recognize the that Gap if you didn't recognize the that Gap if you didn't recognize the needs of the animal yeah so that's needs of the animal yeah so that's needs of the animal yeah so that's what's important for me to say the fact what's important for me to say the fact what's important for me to say the fact that when I started getting serious that when I started getting serious that when I started getting serious about this and making sure that people

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about this and making sure that people about this and making sure that people were getting their dogs outside into were getting their dogs outside into were getting their dogs outside into natural environments preferably off natural environments preferably off natural environments preferably off leash but on less restriction otherwise leash but on less restriction otherwise leash but on less restriction otherwise so maybe a harness and a long line and I so maybe a harness and a long line and I so maybe a harness and a long line and I started to see just enormous started to see just enormous started to see just enormous improvements in these dogs Behavior I improvements in these dogs Behavior I improvements in these dogs Behavior I stopped being able stopped being able stopped being able to not talk about to not talk about to not talk about it I also think these really it I also think these really it I also think these really high-intensity dogs that we like for high-intensity dogs that we like for high-intensity dogs that we like for sports need this more than anybody yeah sports need this more than anybody yeah sports need this more than anybody yeah definitely definitely definitely and when I say and when I say and when I say exercise I really am talking about that exercise I really am talking about that exercise I really am talking about that specific type but I'm also talking about specific type but I'm also talking about specific type but I'm also talking about just this being able to move their body just this being able to move their body just this being able to move their body in an intense way if they've been in an intense way if they've been in an intense way if they've been designed to move their body in an designed to move their body in an designed to move their body in an intense way I don't talk about that intense way I don't talk about that intense way I don't talk about that stuff as much because it's not as stuff as much because it's not as stuff as much because it's not as applicable across the board there are a applicable across the board there are a applicable across the board there are a lot of dogs who would not benefit from lot of dogs who would not benefit from lot of dogs who would not benefit from being put on a treadmill and then there being put on a treadmill and then there being put on a treadmill and then there are lot dogs who would benefit from are lot dogs who would benefit from are lot dogs who would benefit from being put on a treadmill for instance so being put on a treadmill for instance so being put on a treadmill for instance so that's that's a tougher recommendation

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that's that's a tougher recommendation that's that's a tougher recommendation for me for me for me whereas as much freedom in nature as whereas as much freedom in nature as whereas as much freedom in nature as possible I think is good across the possible I think is good across the possible I think is good across the board yeah and then enrichment has grown board yeah and then enrichment has grown board yeah and then enrichment has grown and really evolved and I see the way and really evolved and I see the way and really evolved and I see the way that I do exercise is actually that I do exercise is actually that I do exercise is actually enrichment enrichment for me is just enrichment enrichment for me is just enrichment enrichment for me is just allowing the dog to express dogness in allowing the dog to express dogness in allowing the dog to express dogness in as much ways as possible and dogness is as much ways as possible and dogness is as much ways as possible and dogness is chewing and chewing and chewing and foraging foraging foraging and um using their nose to hunt for and um using their nose to hunt for and um using their nose to hunt for things and it is again being outside and things and it is again being outside and things and it is again being outside and being in nature and being in the mud and being in nature and being in the mud and being in nature and being in the mud and rolling on the carcass and like doing rolling on the carcass and like doing rolling on the carcass and like doing all the like enrichment is dogness so as all the like enrichment is dogness so as all the like enrichment is dogness so as much dogness as possible as much freedom much dogness as possible as much freedom much dogness as possible as much freedom in nature as in nature as in nature as possible uh the nutrition piece I'm not possible uh the nutrition piece I'm not possible uh the nutrition piece I'm not qualified to say what but it is one that qualified to say what but it is one that qualified to say what but it is one that I work closely with clients and their I work closely with clients and their I work closely with clients and their vet Arians to try to figure out because vet Arians to try to figure out because vet Arians to try to figure out because I do find that is a missing link a lot I do find that is a missing link a lot I do find that is a missing link a lot of the time and then communication is of the time and then communication is of the time and then communication is just all the training it's all these just all the training it's all these

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just all the training it's all these skills it's teaching your Tyrant to skills it's teaching your Tyrant to skills it's teaching your Tyrant to yield to leash pressure because they're yield to leash pressure because they're yield to leash pressure because they're going to drag a long line outside it's going to drag a long line outside it's going to drag a long line outside it's having them come and put their collar in having them come and put their collar in having them come and put their collar in your hand it's putting in that's putting your hand it's putting in that's putting your hand it's putting in that's putting in the miles of the of the training is a in the miles of the of the training is a in the miles of the of the training is a communication piece yeah definitely that communication piece yeah definitely that communication piece yeah definitely that makes sense and I noticed like you know makes sense and I noticed like you know makes sense and I noticed like you know what you were saying about the walking what you were saying about the walking what you were saying about the walking in nature and everything else like my in nature and everything else like my in nature and everything else like my border Coles need that ex you know they border Coles need that ex you know they border Coles need that ex you know they need to run and you can just see they're need to run and you can just see they're need to run and you can just see they're like there's so much more content even like there's so much more content even like there's so much more content even my palm like everyone is so surprised my palm like everyone is so surprised my palm like everyone is so surprised that my pal isn't a Barky yappy little that my pal isn't a Barky yappy little that my pal isn't a Barky yappy little dog because that's the like stereotype dog because that's the like stereotype dog because that's the like stereotype that you know but he does man triling he that you know but he does man triling he that you know but he does man triling he like does like he goes for hikes with my like does like he goes for hikes with my like does like he goes for hikes with my colleagues he thinks he's a colleag he colleagues he thinks he's a colleag he colleagues he thinks he's a colleag he goes swimming with the Coles and so so goes swimming with the Coles and so so goes swimming with the Coles and so so and he hardly ever barks he like alert and he hardly ever barks he like alert and he hardly ever barks he like alert barks but that's it but that's because barks but that's it but that's because

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barks but that's it but that's because his needs are met you know and so yeah his needs are met you know and so yeah his needs are met you know and so yeah so important like looking at the breed so important like looking at the breed so important like looking at the breed that you've got as well and just you that you've got as well and just you that you've got as well and just you know making sure that they're doing know making sure that they're doing know making sure that they're doing other stuff as well as like obviously other stuff as well as like obviously other stuff as well as like obviously like with agility you know I find a lot like with agility you know I find a lot like with agility you know I find a lot of agility folk just do agility stuff of agility folk just do agility stuff of agility folk just do agility stuff with them but they do other stuff and with them but they do other stuff and with them but they do other stuff and you know like things like the you know like things like the you know like things like the decompression walks and stuff as well um decompression walks and stuff as well um decompression walks and stuff as well um you know it's so important for you know it's so important for you know it's so important for them for sure I like to think of it as them for sure I like to think of it as them for sure I like to think of it as if for some reason my dog couldn't do if for some reason my dog couldn't do if for some reason my dog couldn't do agility anymore I want to make sure that agility anymore I want to make sure that agility anymore I want to make sure that their life is still good without it yeah their life is still good without it yeah their life is still good without it yeah whether my life is good without it is whether my life is good without it is whether my life is good without it is another question that we can just push another question that we can just push another question that we can just push aside not important aside not important aside not important um I would say that that varies between um I would say that that varies between um I would say that that varies between different times in my life there have different times in my life there have different times in my life there have been times when I could be happy without been times when I could be happy without been times when I could be happy without agility and there have been times when I agility and there have been times when I agility and there have been times when I can't and that's you know that that is can't and that's you know that that is

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can't and that's you know that that is what it is I'm a human and I can make my what it is I'm a human and I can make my what it is I'm a human and I can make my choices right yeah but you know I don't choices right yeah but you know I don't choices right yeah but you know I don't want to see them like I know people who want to see them like I know people who want to see them like I know people who run their dogs in agility way longer run their dogs in agility way longer run their dogs in agility way longer than they should into their teens than they should into their teens than they should into their teens because they know that the second they because they know that the second they because they know that the second they stop the dog doesn't have a life anymore stop the dog doesn't have a life anymore stop the dog doesn't have a life anymore because it's all they do with their dogs because it's all they do with their dogs because it's all they do with their dogs yeah yeah and that's a problem yeah yeah yeah yeah and that's a problem yeah yeah yeah yeah and that's a problem yeah yeah yeah I remember someone saying to me yeah I remember someone saying to me yeah I remember someone saying to me actually a few months ago at an agility actually a few months ago at an agility actually a few months ago at an agility show like how depressed her dog would be show like how depressed her dog would be show like how depressed her dog would be if she didn't do agility anymore and if she didn't do agility anymore and if she didn't do agility anymore and like I thought to myself no it's because like I thought to myself no it's because like I thought to myself no it's because you only do agility with your dog I was you only do agility with your dog I was you only do agility with your dog I was like your dogs actually as long as they like your dogs actually as long as they like your dogs actually as long as they work and do something they're fine you work and do something they're fine you work and do something they're fine you know like my Shelty who I would say know like my Shelty who I would say know like my Shelty who I would say loves agility I've started man triling loves agility I've started man triling loves agility I've started man triling with him now as well because he is with him now as well because he is with him now as well because he is getting older and stuff so I am slowing getting older and stuff so I am slowing getting older and stuff so I am slowing down with him a bit in agility and stuff down with him a bit in agility and stuff

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down with him a bit in agility and stuff and you know he screams when like the and you know he screams when like the and you know he screams when like the missing person runs off in man triling missing person runs off in man triling missing person runs off in man triling and you know he's excited to like and and you know he's excited to like and and you know he's excited to like and again my border colle he does air again my border colle he does air again my border colle he does air senting and stuff as well and like they senting and stuff as well and like they senting and stuff as well and like they love it and they just get as much joy um love it and they just get as much joy um love it and they just get as much joy um you know and like and doing stuff like you know and like and doing stuff like you know and like and doing stuff like nose work or something like that as well nose work or something like that as well nose work or something like that as well again I behaviorally I see like a huge again I behaviorally I see like a huge again I behaviorally I see like a huge difference in them as well rather than difference in them as well rather than difference in them as well rather than just doing high intensity arousal type just doing high intensity arousal type just doing high intensity arousal type stuff all the time as well yeah there's stuff all the time as well yeah there's stuff all the time as well yeah there's there's a lot to be said for sure for there's a lot to be said for sure for there's a lot to be said for sure for our dogs to have things that they appear our dogs to have things that they appear our dogs to have things that they appear to to to enjoy that they are not doing at 150 enjoy that they are not doing at 150 enjoy that they are not doing at 150 miles an hour like yeah it it's it's a miles an hour like yeah it it's it's a miles an hour like yeah it it's it's a healthy thing I believe it's a healthy healthy thing I believe it's a healthy healthy thing I believe it's a healthy thing for to have activities that they thing for to have activities that they thing for to have activities that they do with more thought and less intensity do with more thought and less intensity do with more thought and less intensity than the other things it's harder to than the other things it's harder to than the other things it's harder to access for some dogs I my dog Felix access for some dogs I my dog Felix access for some dogs I my dog Felix doesn't know how to do anything at less doesn't know how to do anything at less doesn't know how to do anything at less than 110% he just I tried I did nose

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than 110% he just I tried I did nose than 110% he just I tried I did nose work he's like got it okay nose working work he's like got it okay nose working work he's like got it okay nose working as hard as possible he's broken broken as hard as possible he's broken broken as hard as possible he's broken broken several of the little scent tins because several of the little scent tins because several of the little scent tins because he surely needs to grab it and he surely needs to grab it and he surely needs to grab it and bring it bring it and be like you were bring it bring it and be like you were bring it bring it and be like you were too slow so here it is I found it too slow so here it is I found it too slow so here it is I found it um this is all just you know me not um this is all just you know me not um this is all just you know me not training him well enough obviously but training him well enough obviously but training him well enough obviously but he would still be I mean he would be he would still be I mean he would be he would still be I mean he would be like that narcotics detection dog that like that narcotics detection dog that like that narcotics detection dog that it's just like boom boom boom boom like it's just like boom boom boom boom like it's just like boom boom boom boom like that's just who he is yeah so I do think that's just who he is yeah so I do think that's just who he is yeah so I do think that's important but that's where like that's important but that's where like that's important but that's where like hiking in the woods comes in for him hiking in the woods comes in for him hiking in the woods comes in for him because that's the only time that's when because that's the only time that's when because that's the only time that's when I see him actually decompress yeah no I see him actually decompress yeah no I see him actually decompress yeah no definitely definitely and I noticed well definitely definitely and I noticed well definitely definitely and I noticed well was something on social media a few was something on social media a few was something on social media a few months ago about um relaxation protocols months ago about um relaxation protocols months ago about um relaxation protocols and there was like kind of things flying and there was like kind of things flying and there was like kind of things flying around and stuff that if you just teach around and stuff that if you just teach around and stuff that if you just teach your dog to just relax on a mat like a your dog to just relax on a mat like a

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your dog to just relax on a mat like a high drive dog like a collie or a m or high drive dog like a collie or a m or high drive dog like a collie or a m or something then they're going to be fine something then they're going to be fine something then they're going to be fine like but again it's like you need to like but again it's like you need to like but again it's like you need to make sure that their needs are being met make sure that their needs are being met make sure that their needs are being met like I loved what you were saying about like I loved what you were saying about like I loved what you were saying about you know the dogs still need that time you know the dogs still need that time you know the dogs still need that time for exercise and then they're going to for exercise and then they're going to for exercise and then they're going to it's going to help them massively to it's going to help them massively to it's going to help them massively to relax and settle and stuff there's a relax and settle and stuff there's a relax and settle and stuff there's a different there's the skill of different there's the skill of different there's the skill of relaxation and then there is the there relaxation and then there is the there relaxation and then there is the there is the antecedent to that skill which is is the antecedent to that skill which is is the antecedent to that skill which is making it easier for them to relax so making it easier for them to relax so making it easier for them to relax so they can actually learn it they can't they can actually learn it they can't they can actually learn it they can't learn the learn the learn the skill I don't think unless those this is skill I don't think unless those this is skill I don't think unless those this is the same of any skill you're going to the same of any skill you're going to the same of any skill you're going to teach setting your antecedence so just teach setting your antecedence so just teach setting your antecedence so just saying that you are prepping your saying that you are prepping your saying that you are prepping your environment to teach this best means environment to teach this best means environment to teach this best means that they first got that they first got that they first got to run and sniff and roll and be be a to run and sniff and roll and be be a to run and sniff and roll and be be a lot so that now I'm going to ask you to lot so that now I'm going to ask you to lot so that now I'm going to ask you to be be be less it's something that you know it less it's something that you know it

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less it's something that you know it matters and I think too much we talk matters and I think too much we talk matters and I think too much we talk about it as being genetics honestly if about it as being genetics honestly if about it as being genetics honestly if nobody said the phrase off switch to me nobody said the phrase off switch to me nobody said the phrase off switch to me for the rest of my life I would be so for the rest of my life I would be so for the rest of my life I would be so thrilled like can we just quit blaming thrilled like can we just quit blaming thrilled like can we just quit blaming it on that yeah I was warned that my it on that yeah I was warned that my it on that yeah I was warned that my puppy would have no off no off puppy would have no off no off puppy would have no off no off switch and I I was like well first of switch and I I was like well first of switch and I I was like well first of all I don't think I think that's fake so all I don't think I think that's fake so all I don't think I think that's fake so that's fine but second of all like she's that's fine but second of all like she's that's fine but second of all like she's laying down on a bed right now because laying down on a bed right now because laying down on a bed right now because she's a year old she's not contained she's a year old she's not contained she's a year old she's not contained because she understands that this because she understands that this because she understands that this antecedent this picture of me talking antecedent this picture of me talking antecedent this picture of me talking into the box is not a time for her it's into the box is not a time for her it's into the box is not a time for her it's a time for her to only be relaxing and I a time for her to only be relaxing and I a time for her to only be relaxing and I didn't teach her that didn't teach her that didn't teach her that by I didn't teach her that by forcing it by I didn't teach her that by forcing it by I didn't teach her that by forcing it I did like for me I don't teach a I did like for me I don't teach a I did like for me I don't teach a classic relaxation protocol as far as classic relaxation protocol as far as classic relaxation protocol as far as like the one that um is from Dr Karen like the one that um is from Dr Karen like the one that um is from Dr Karen overall and is done in a lot of behavior overall and is done in a lot of behavior overall and is done in a lot of behavior cases um a lot of my colleagues use it cases um a lot of my colleagues use it

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cases um a lot of my colleagues use it with great success I'm not saying with great success I'm not saying with great success I'm not saying anything is wrong with it for me the anything is wrong with it for me the anything is wrong with it for me the relaxation Protocols are when you're in relaxation Protocols are when you're in relaxation Protocols are when you're in a crate you sleep when you're on a a crate you sleep when you're on a a crate you sleep when you're on a tether you sleep though like that's the tether you sleep though like that's the tether you sleep though like that's the first stuff that I teach them and it's first stuff that I teach them and it's first stuff that I teach them and it's yeah I'm tired of yeah I'm tired of yeah I'm tired of um yeah all first of all if I told Felix um yeah all first of all if I told Felix um yeah all first of all if I told Felix to lay on a mat he would lay on a mat so to lay on a mat he would lay on a mat so to lay on a mat he would lay on a mat so hard so intense hard so intense hard so intense it just still wouldn't be it just still wouldn't be it just still wouldn't be relaxation yeah yeah definitely relaxation yeah yeah definitely relaxation yeah yeah definitely definitely and talking about creating definitely and talking about creating definitely and talking about creating what is Happy creating versus crate what is Happy creating versus crate what is Happy creating versus crate games so sort of like the differences games so sort of like the differences games so sort of like the differences and the and the and the benefits sure benefits sure benefits sure so going back on that timeline again so going back on that timeline again so going back on that timeline again when igy was a baby she did crate games when igy was a baby she did crate games when igy was a baby she did crate games like I did all the crate games with ity like I did all the crate games with ity like I did all the crate games with ity and it was so fun and it is so fun and it was so fun and it is so fun and it was so fun and it is so fun like really super fun game based like really super fun game based like really super fun game based protocol right which again we all love protocol right which again we all love protocol right which again we all love we all love to have the fun well I we all love to have the fun well I we all love to have the fun well I already bought the fun now so I don't do already bought the fun now so I don't do already bought the fun now so I don't do those things those things those things anymore but iy never learned how to anymore but iy never learned how to

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anymore but iy never learned how to relax in a crate I would say the only relax in a crate I would say the only relax in a crate I would say the only place that you relax in a crate is in place that you relax in a crate is in place that you relax in a crate is in the car still to this age now again I'm the car still to this age now again I'm the car still to this age now again I'm not blaming the protocol I'm blaming not blaming the protocol I'm blaming not blaming the protocol I'm blaming myself for that but the protocol isn't myself for that but the protocol isn't myself for that but the protocol isn't designed for that either so if I want designed for that either so if I want designed for that either so if I want create games to teach my dog to relax in create games to teach my dog to relax in create games to teach my dog to relax in a I'm asking the wrong question I'm a I'm asking the wrong question I'm a I'm asking the wrong question I'm asking for the wrong thing from that asking for the wrong thing from that asking for the wrong thing from that protocol it teaches a lot of other protocol it teaches a lot of other protocol it teaches a lot of other stuff happy creating teaches them to stuff happy creating teaches them to stuff happy creating teaches them to relax in a crate that's my entire point relax in a crate that's my entire point relax in a crate that's my entire point with my crate training protocol is with my crate training protocol is with my crate training protocol is deliberately setting up the antecedants deliberately setting up the antecedants deliberately setting up the antecedants so that what happens in there is they so that what happens in there is they so that what happens in there is they relax and fall relax and fall relax and fall asleep sleep is the primary reinforcer asleep sleep is the primary reinforcer asleep sleep is the primary reinforcer at play not at play not at play not food so I am never putting a manners food so I am never putting a manners food so I am never putting a manners minder on top of the crate and dropping minder on top of the crate and dropping minder on top of the crate and dropping food in I am not I'm not even walking food in I am not I'm not even walking food in I am not I'm not even walking over and dropping food in the crate yeah over and dropping food in the crate yeah over and dropping food in the crate yeah um with certain dogs I might go load to um with certain dogs I might go load to um with certain dogs I might go load to snuffle mat for them or something like snuffle mat for them or something like

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snuffle mat for them or something like that but only with certain dogs because that but only with certain dogs because that but only with certain dogs because the dogs are super worky and they're the dogs are super worky and they're the dogs are super worky and they're trying to figure out what did I do to trying to figure out what did I do to trying to figure out what did I do to get her to come over here what did I do get her to come over here what did I do get her to come over here what did I do I don't want them to be thinking like I don't want them to be thinking like I don't want them to be thinking like that I don't want them to think stuff that I don't want them to think stuff that I don't want them to think stuff that I do in here gets me consequences that I do in here gets me consequences that I do in here gets me consequences come from out there I don't want them to come from out there I don't want them to come from out there I don't want them to think that at all I want them to think think that at all I want them to think think that at all I want them to think the only thing I do here is relax and it the only thing I do here is relax and it the only thing I do here is relax and it is largely incedent based so helping is largely incedent based so helping is largely incedent based so helping them to be ready for a appp when I put them to be ready for a appp when I put them to be ready for a appp when I put them in them in them in there and then I also layer in there and then I also layer in there and then I also layer in desensitization of Handler absence or desensitization of Handler absence or desensitization of Handler absence or presence some dogs struggle more if presence some dogs struggle more if presence some dogs struggle more if you're in the room versus if you leave you're in the room versus if you leave you're in the room versus if you leave they're like okay I can sleep now if they're like okay I can sleep now if they're like okay I can sleep now if that's true for you that's also you've that's true for you that's also you've that's true for you that's also you've done that you've taught them that you done that you've taught them that you done that you've taught them that you are are something that needs to be are are something that needs to be are are something that needs to be worked all the time very very common for worked all the time very very common for worked all the time very very common for us to do um in agility circles again and us to do um in agility circles again and us to do um in agility circles again and I definitely did it to igy which is why

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I definitely did it to igy which is why I definitely did it to igy which is why she didn't learn to relax in a she didn't learn to relax in a she didn't learn to relax in a crate and it's literally all about when crate and it's literally all about when crate and it's literally all about when you're in there you sleep and it's just you're in there you sleep and it's just you're in there you sleep and it's just a variety of exercises to help them do a variety of exercises to help them do a variety of exercises to help them do that and it needs to be paired with not that and it needs to be paired with not that and it needs to be paired with not shoving them in there for hours and shoving them in there for hours and shoving them in there for hours and hours on end when they are not prepared hours on end when they are not prepared hours on end when they are not prepared to lay down and to lay down and to lay down and sleep so the first time Carson was sleep so the first time Carson was sleep so the first time Carson was created for other than overnight the created for other than overnight the created for other than overnight the first time she was created for several first time she was created for several first time she was created for several hours at a time during the day she was hours at a time during the day she was hours at a time during the day she was much older she had the skill to do much older she had the skill to do much older she had the skill to do it and that's also different I think it and that's also different I think it and that's also different I think that we we tend to just kind of shove that we we tend to just kind of shove that we we tend to just kind of shove puppies in there and let them scream and puppies in there and let them scream and puppies in there and let them scream and just know this is g to be hard and like just know this is g to be hard and like just know this is g to be hard and like get through it and honestly it works for get through it and honestly it works for get through it and honestly it works for enough people that it will perpetuate as enough people that it will perpetuate as enough people that it will perpetuate as the idea of what we should the idea of what we should the idea of what we should do um I also did that with do um I also did that with do um I also did that with never got better in fact got worse never got better in fact got worse never got better in fact got worse developed what we would call separation developed what we would call separation developed what we would call separation anxiety um so I'm always scared of that

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anxiety um so I'm always scared of that anxiety um so I'm always scared of that also like everybody has to know that I'm also like everybody has to know that I'm also like everybody has to know that I'm informed by my clientele I'm informed by informed by my clientele I'm informed by informed by my clientele I'm informed by working with dogs that have serious working with dogs that have serious working with dogs that have serious problems yeah and some of my dogs who've problems yeah and some of my dogs who've problems yeah and some of my dogs who've had serious problems but I'm mostly if had serious problems but I'm mostly if had serious problems but I'm mostly if I'm making a choice like if I'm going I'm making a choice like if I'm going I'm making a choice like if I'm going I'm going to avoid that even though it I'm going to avoid that even though it I'm going to avoid that even though it seems to work for a lot of people it's seems to work for a lot of people it's seems to work for a lot of people it's probably because I've worked with a dog probably because I've worked with a dog probably because I've worked with a dog or two or two or two who it went terribly wrong for and I'm who it went terribly wrong for and I'm who it went terribly wrong for and I'm afraid of that so that's another reason afraid of that so that's another reason afraid of that so that's another reason that I don't make the crate a work I that I don't make the crate a work I that I don't make the crate a work I knew from igy not to make the create a knew from igy not to make the create a knew from igy not to make the create a working space ever again so it just working space ever again so it just working space ever again so it just isn't a working space for my isn't a working space for my isn't a working space for my dogs um it just isn't they just the only dogs um it just isn't they just the only dogs um it just isn't they just the only thing you ever do in there is thing you ever do in there is thing you ever do in there is sleep yeah no definitely yeah it's just sleep yeah no definitely yeah it's just sleep yeah no definitely yeah it's just creating that emotional state that the creating that emotional state that the creating that emotional state that the crate means relaxation and and crate means relaxation and and crate means relaxation and and everything else but you saying about everything else but you saying about everything else but you saying about like separation anxiety and crates and like separation anxiety and crates and like separation anxiety and crates and things so I see quite a lot of online

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things so I see quite a lot of online things so I see quite a lot of online clients for separation anxiety um and I clients for separation anxiety um and I clients for separation anxiety um and I have a Facebook group where it's quite have a Facebook group where it's quite have a Facebook group where it's quite active at the moment there's lots of active at the moment there's lots of active at the moment there's lots of people joining and stuff and so and the people joining and stuff and so and the people joining and stuff and so and the number of people that still think that number of people that still think that number of people that still think that putting a dog in a crate for resolving putting a dog in a crate for resolving putting a dog in a crate for resolving separation anxiety or again like separation anxiety or again like separation anxiety or again like breeders will tell puppy owners like the breeders will tell puppy owners like the breeders will tell puppy owners like the number like the majority of puppy number like the majority of puppy number like the majority of puppy clients we still have are still told to clients we still have are still told to clients we still have are still told to like just leave your puppy downstairs like just leave your puppy downstairs like just leave your puppy downstairs and let them cry out and and everything and let them cry out and and everything and let them cry out and and everything you know and it's like yeah it's it's you know and it's like yeah it's it's you know and it's like yeah it's it's frustrating sometimes that like it's frustrating sometimes that like it's frustrating sometimes that like it's yeah it's it's not their fault like the yeah it's it's not their fault like the yeah it's it's not their fault like the the the like crates that they can't the the like crates that they can't the the like crates that they can't escape from are literally marketed as escape from are literally marketed as escape from are literally marketed as like Solutions it's so upsetting it's so like Solutions it's so upsetting it's so like Solutions it's so upsetting it's so upsetting and for me I do want to be I upsetting and for me I do want to be I upsetting and for me I do want to be I do want to be really clear that like do want to be really clear that like do want to be really clear that like because I people misunderstood this and because I people misunderstood this and because I people misunderstood this and it's created some problems for them it's it's created some problems for them it's

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it's created some problems for them it's not that they never fuss in the crate not that they never fuss in the crate not that they never fuss in the crate they're going to like you just will not they're going to like you just will not they're going to like you just will not be perfect it is that you are doing your be perfect it is that you are doing your be perfect it is that you are doing your best to avoid that rather than accepting best to avoid that rather than accepting best to avoid that rather than accepting it as part of the learning process it as part of the learning process it as part of the learning process you're doing your best to avoid it and you're doing your best to avoid it and you're doing your best to avoid it and panic will not be tolerated and I talk panic will not be tolerated and I talk panic will not be tolerated and I talk about kind of the difference between about kind of the difference between about kind of the difference between having a fuss moment having an upset and having a fuss moment having an upset and having a fuss moment having an upset and being being being panicked um but as well panicked um but as well panicked um but as well as giving the puppy a clear response to as giving the puppy a clear response to as giving the puppy a clear response to their requests to coming out so if they their requests to coming out so if they their requests to coming out so if they are asking to come out making sure that are asking to come out making sure that are asking to come out making sure that you always only leash them carry them you always only leash them carry them you always only leash them carry them outside put them on the outside put them on the outside put them on the grass stand in one spot like if you're grass stand in one spot like if you're grass stand in one spot like if you're asking me to go out I will respond this asking me to go out I will respond this asking me to go out I will respond this way I'm not going to ignore you you're way I'm not going to ignore you you're way I'm not going to ignore you you're not going to just escalate in not going to just escalate in not going to just escalate in there but I'm only ever going to respond there but I'm only ever going to respond there but I'm only ever going to respond this way not GNA let you back out into this way not GNA let you back out into this way not GNA let you back out into Disneyland you're just I'm only going to Disneyland you're just I'm only going to Disneyland you're just I'm only going to respond this way so that's also part of respond this way so that's also part of

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respond this way so that's also part of it and then the separate skill that is it and then the separate skill that is it and then the separate skill that is in kind of the part two I have I have in kind of the part two I have I have in kind of the part two I have I have two creating webinars they're sold two creating webinars they're sold two creating webinars they're sold together um the second one goes into together um the second one goes into together um the second one goes into more of that anti fomo stuff of like but more of that anti fomo stuff of like but more of that anti fomo stuff of like but what if they're not going to relax in what if they're not going to relax in what if they're not going to relax in this environment because it's agility this environment because it's agility this environment because it's agility class or it's ringside or whatever what class or it's ringside or whatever what class or it's ringside or whatever what do I do then I like to teach them the do I do then I like to teach them the do I do then I like to teach them the waiting skill the wait your turn skill waiting skill the wait your turn skill waiting skill the wait your turn skill well before I put them in a crate and well before I put them in a crate and well before I put them in a crate and expect them so it's separate skills yeah expect them so it's separate skills yeah expect them so it's separate skills yeah and so that's another part of it is and so that's another part of it is and so that's another part of it is basically waiting on the station which basically waiting on the station which basically waiting on the station which is also in the TD Tyrant course that we is also in the TD Tyrant course that we is also in the TD Tyrant course that we just talked about yeah yeah and I find just talked about yeah yeah and I find just talked about yeah yeah and I find as well the dogs that can wait on a as well the dogs that can wait on a as well the dogs that can wait on a raised bed or a station or like and not raised bed or a station or like and not raised bed or a station or like and not in a crate they're much less frustrated in a crate they're much less frustrated in a crate they're much less frustrated than straight in a crate persectives too than straight in a crate persectives too than straight in a crate persectives too like it makes you split it makes you like it makes you split it makes you like it makes you split it makes you split Finly enough it makes you be a split Finly enough it makes you be a split Finly enough it makes you be a better trainer about it if they can move

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better trainer about it if they can move better trainer about it if they can move yeah if the door is closed and they're yeah if the door is closed and they're yeah if the door is closed and they're just having a tantrum now you're not just having a tantrum now you're not just having a tantrum now you're not being a good trainer it's basically you being a good trainer it's basically you being a good trainer it's basically you could train the same stuff in a crate if could train the same stuff in a crate if could train the same stuff in a crate if the door was open yeah right if they can the door was open yeah right if they can the door was open yeah right if they can wait in a crate with the door open fine wait in a crate with the door open fine wait in a crate with the door open fine and then it does translate into being and then it does translate into being and then it does translate into being able to wait in a crate very nicely able to wait in a crate very nicely able to wait in a crate very nicely actually if you don't blow it early on actually if you don't blow it early on actually if you don't blow it early on and teach them to be very frustrated in and teach them to be very frustrated in and teach them to be very frustrated in the in the crate the in the crate the in the crate ring yeah makes sense yeah and then if ring yeah makes sense yeah and then if ring yeah makes sense yeah and then if you think about it's your choice what do you think about it's your choice what do you think about it's your choice what do you think about that because that's also you think about that because that's also you think about that because that's also still very very popular um do you do still very very popular um do you do still very very popular um do you do something else instead do you use something else instead do you use something else instead do you use it I will again say that I'm really it I will again say that I'm really it I will again say that I'm really informed by things going very badly for informed by things going very badly for informed by things going very badly for clients sometimes clients sometimes clients sometimes again uh 's foundation training was again uh 's foundation training was again uh 's foundation training was strongly it's your choice strongly it's your choice strongly it's your choice based based based um I anything that I don't use now it's um I anything that I don't use now it's um I anything that I don't use now it's for one of two reasons and sometimes is for one of two reasons and sometimes is for one of two reasons and sometimes is for both reasons for both reasons

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for both reasons one reason is what we've already talked one reason is what we've already talked one reason is what we've already talked about I've seen it go very poorly I know about I've seen it go very poorly I know about I've seen it go very poorly I know how it can go wrong yeah we could argue how it can go wrong yeah we could argue how it can go wrong yeah we could argue then that the answer to that is well then that the answer to that is well then that the answer to that is well then just do it right because obviously then just do it right because obviously then just do it right because obviously if you do it right it's not gonna go if you do it right it's not gonna go if you do it right it's not gonna go that badly I would say that that's not that badly I would say that that's not that badly I would say that that's not always true there are individuals For always true there are individuals For always true there are individuals For Whom the protocol is Whom the protocol is Whom the protocol is wrong but the vast majority of dogs wrong but the vast majority of dogs wrong but the vast majority of dogs could be taught it's your choice with could be taught it's your choice with could be taught it's your choice with somebody who's good at teaching it and somebody who's good at teaching it and somebody who's good at teaching it and not have any ill effects I think that's not have any ill effects I think that's not have any ill effects I think that's completely true of course it's true completely true of course it's true completely true of course it's true otherwise it wouldn't be so widespread otherwise it wouldn't be so widespread otherwise it wouldn't be so widespread right right right yeah for me the other reason though that yeah for me the other reason though that yeah for me the other reason though that I'll abandon a I'll abandon a I'll abandon a protocol is that I just don't need it protocol is that I just don't need it protocol is that I just don't need it anymore so I don't do extra stuff that I anymore so I don't do extra stuff that I anymore so I don't do extra stuff that I don't don't don't need today I would say my feelings about need today I would say my feelings about need today I would say my feelings about it's your choice are related to both of it's your choice are related to both of it's your choice are related to both of those those those things things things um I have seen I well first of all um I have seen I well first of all um I have seen I well first of all food in training is precious to me food food in training is precious to me food

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food in training is precious to me food is extremely valuable I want the dog to is extremely valuable I want the dog to is extremely valuable I want the dog to always eat I want the dog to always be always eat I want the dog to always be always eat I want the dog to always be ready to eat it's your choice as a ready to eat it's your choice as a ready to eat it's your choice as a punishment protocol for eating it punishment protocol for eating it punishment protocol for eating it teaches them not to eat yeah then just teaches them not to eat yeah then just teaches them not to eat yeah then just just in case everybody's getting their just in case everybody's getting their just in case everybody's getting their pitchforks ready for me then of course pitchforks ready for me then of course pitchforks ready for me then of course when done correctly it is then here's when done correctly it is then here's when done correctly it is then here's when to eat right like that is the when to eat right like that is the when to eat right like that is the second part of it but the initial part second part of it but the initial part second part of it but the initial part of the procedure is do not eat yeah and of the procedure is do not eat yeah and of the procedure is do not eat yeah and I I simply do not do that with any dogs I I simply do not do that with any dogs I I simply do not do that with any dogs now you might throw a dog in my lap that now you might throw a dog in my lap that now you might throw a dog in my lap that I went wow you know what would be great I went wow you know what would be great I went wow you know what would be great for you it's your choice I'm not saying for you it's your choice I'm not saying for you it's your choice I'm not saying that's outside of the realm of that's outside of the realm of that's outside of the realm of possibility it could happen it hasn't possibility it could happen it hasn't possibility it could happen it hasn't happened in a long time but who happened in a long time but who happened in a long time but who knows I instead work with a lot of dogs knows I instead work with a lot of dogs knows I instead work with a lot of dogs for whom the relationship the triangle for whom the relationship the triangle for whom the relationship the triangle between the person the food and the dog between the person the food and the dog between the person the food and the dog is is is damaged yeah the dog doesn't trust the damaged yeah the dog doesn't trust the damaged yeah the dog doesn't trust the food or the dog does not find the food food or the dog does not find the food

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food or the dog does not find the food reinforcing in under the conditions reinforcing in under the conditions reinforcing in under the conditions that you're asking them to eat in how that you're asking them to eat in how that you're asking them to eat in how many agility dogs don't eat at ringside many agility dogs don't eat at ringside many agility dogs don't eat at ringside so many how many many so many right same so many how many many so many right same so many how many many so many right same deal if you're working with like deal if you're working with like deal if you're working with like aggression or reactivity the dog won't aggression or reactivity the dog won't aggression or reactivity the dog won't eat under the conditions we it's really eat under the conditions we it's really eat under the conditions we it's really hard for us we got to fix that first so hard for us we got to fix that first so hard for us we got to fix that first so that we can use food to help us get that we can use food to help us get that we can use food to help us get through this Behavior yeah so it is through this Behavior yeah so it is through this Behavior yeah so it is extremely valuable to me that my dogs extremely valuable to me that my dogs extremely valuable to me that my dogs are always always always keen on are always always always keen on are always always always keen on food so that's that's one thing and will food so that's that's one thing and will food so that's that's one thing and will say that in my clientele um something say that in my clientele um something say that in my clientele um something that people leave with they come into that people leave with they come into that people leave with they come into coaching one of the things I promise coaching one of the things I promise coaching one of the things I promise that they're going to leave with which that they're going to leave with which that they're going to leave with which wasn't a promise that I made on purpose wasn't a promise that I made on purpose wasn't a promise that I made on purpose it's just something that I've seen is it's just something that I've seen is it's just something that I've seen is that the that triangle between them the that the that triangle between them the that the that triangle between them the dog and the food is going to be good it dog and the food is going to be good it dog and the food is going to be good it is going to be repaired it is going to is going to be repaired it is going to is going to be repaired it is going to be be be strong you know if I can ask my puppy strong you know if I can ask my puppy

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strong you know if I can ask my puppy who is maybe thinking about yell we'll who is maybe thinking about yell we'll who is maybe thinking about yell we'll just bring it back to the bear my puppy just bring it back to the bear my puppy just bring it back to the bear my puppy Wanted full of all of her hackles up and Wanted full of all of her hackles up and Wanted full of all of her hackles up and screaming at this bear me recalling her screaming at this bear me recalling her screaming at this bear me recalling her what did I teach her that with food yeah what did I teach her that with food yeah what did I teach her that with food yeah yeah I the food is not more valuable in yeah I the food is not more valuable in yeah I the food is not more valuable in that moment than the bear we can get that moment than the bear we can get that moment than the bear we can get really geeky what I'm asking her for is really geeky what I'm asking her for is really geeky what I'm asking her for is to switch into another contingency the to switch into another contingency the to switch into another contingency the contingency she's in is is all about the contingency she's in is is all about the contingency she's in is is all about the bear whether it is that she wants to put bear whether it is that she wants to put bear whether it is that she wants to put her teeth on it or whe it is that she her teeth on it or whe it is that she her teeth on it or whe it is that she wants it to go wants it to go wants it to go away the away the away the reinforcement here all has to do with reinforcement here all has to do with reinforcement here all has to do with the bear yeah yeah me asking her to the bear yeah yeah me asking her to the bear yeah yeah me asking her to leave that contingency and enter another leave that contingency and enter another leave that contingency and enter another one in which the reinforcement is food one in which the reinforcement is food one in which the reinforcement is food is something I will not be able to do if is something I will not be able to do if is something I will not be able to do if that triangle is broken that triangle is broken that triangle is broken yeah yeah so I know that that got like yeah yeah so I know that that got like yeah yeah so I know that that got like really geeky and conceptual but that's a really geeky and conceptual but that's a really geeky and conceptual but that's a big reason that I'm just never going to big reason that I'm just never going to big reason that I'm just never going to punish you for eating food if you take a punish you for eating food if you take a

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punish you for eating food if you take a piece of food that I didn't tell you to piece of food that I didn't tell you to piece of food that I didn't tell you to take take take okay cool I'm gonna I'm going to make okay cool I'm gonna I'm going to make okay cool I'm gonna I'm going to make sure I set things up so you don't do sure I set things up so you don't do sure I set things up so you don't do that next time and I do like I do train that next time and I do like I do train that next time and I do like I do train my dogs with like an open bowl of food my dogs with like an open bowl of food my dogs with like an open bowl of food that I'm pulling food out of and like I that I'm pulling food out of and like I that I'm pulling food out of and like I I I I just arrange the inant so that they're just arrange the inant so that they're just arrange the inant so that they're not able to get it yeah and because not able to get it yeah and because not able to get it yeah and because they're not able to get it that they're not able to get it that they're not able to get it that reinforcement pattern hasn't been built reinforcement pattern hasn't been built reinforcement pattern hasn't been built and I could just have it here um so what and I could just have it here um so what and I could just have it here um so what do I do instead I teach a lot of food do I do instead I teach a lot of food do I do instead I teach a lot of food behaviors I teach them when to eat food behaviors I teach them when to eat food behaviors I teach them when to eat food I teach I put a lot of cues on food and I teach I put a lot of cues on food and I teach I put a lot of cues on food and I just don't worry too much about them I just don't worry too much about them I just don't worry too much about them quote unquote stealing food and I do quote unquote stealing food and I do quote unquote stealing food and I do think that think that think that um the people who believe really um the people who believe really um the people who believe really strongly and it's your choice which I'm strongly and it's your choice which I'm strongly and it's your choice which I'm not here to take it from them they can not here to take it from them they can not here to take it from them they can have have have it um people who believe really strongly it um people who believe really strongly it um people who believe really strongly and it's your choice believe that it's and it's your choice believe that it's and it's your choice believe that it's teaching other stuff that I don't think teaching other stuff that I don't think

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teaching other stuff that I don't think it's teaching too so that's the other it's teaching too so that's the other it's teaching too so that's the other they believe that it's teaching impul they believe that it's teaching impul they believe that it's teaching impul control they believe is teaching those control they believe is teaching those control they believe is teaching those things I prefer to teach self-regulatory things I prefer to teach self-regulatory things I prefer to teach self-regulatory skills in other skills in other skills in other environments I just my food is too environments I just my food is too environments I just my food is too precious yeah yeah I remember as well precious yeah yeah I remember as well precious yeah yeah I remember as well like again when Splash was a puppy I did like again when Splash was a puppy I did like again when Splash was a puppy I did it's your choice as well and I like I it's your choice as well and I like I it's your choice as well and I like I inadvertently taught him to reverse inadvertently taught him to reverse inadvertently taught him to reverse backwards so like he actually thought backwards so like he actually thought backwards so like he actually thought that was the behavior walking back um that was the behavior walking back um that was the behavior walking back um like and like you say you know if you're like and like you say you know if you're like and like you say you know if you're working with dogs with and you have to working with dogs with and you have to working with dogs with and you have to repair their relationship ships and so repair their relationship ships and so repair their relationship ships and so on it causes a lot of frustration I find on it causes a lot of frustration I find on it causes a lot of frustration I find as well and so that can also be a bit as well and so that can also be a bit as well and so that can also be a bit problematic for for dogs um well it it problematic for for dogs um well it it problematic for for dogs um well it it is it actually the procedure itself is it actually the procedure itself is it actually the procedure itself relies on the dog getting frustrated relies on the dog getting frustrated relies on the dog getting frustrated yeah if they don't it actually doesn't yeah if they don't it actually doesn't yeah if they don't it actually doesn't work for you yeah um I will say that um work for you yeah um I will say that um work for you yeah um I will say that um Susan Garrett created it obviously and Susan Garrett created it obviously and

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Susan Garrett created it obviously and she has she's changed it so in recent she has she's changed it so in recent she has she's changed it so in recent she actually Banks Less on frustration she actually Banks Less on frustration she actually Banks Less on frustration now than she used to so I really now than she used to so I really now than she used to so I really appreciate um I really appreciate her appreciate um I really appreciate her appreciate um I really appreciate her showing that to people and she's very showing that to people and she's very showing that to people and she's very public with all of her work and she has public with all of her work and she has public with all of her work and she has she absolutely does it differently than she absolutely does it differently than she absolutely does it differently than when I learned it from her 15 and a half when I learned it from her 15 and a half when I learned it from her 15 and a half years ago yeah she absolutely does so I years ago yeah she absolutely does so I years ago yeah she absolutely does so I with full respect to the Creator she with full respect to the Creator she with full respect to the Creator she also is growing and evolving also is growing and evolving also is growing and evolving um igy and again this is probably well um igy and again this is probably well um igy and again this is probably well you didn't do it right streming but 's you didn't do it right streming but 's you didn't do it right streming but 's the worst the worst Food stealer of any the worst the worst Food stealer of any the worst the worst Food stealer of any of my dogs and she's the only one that of my dogs and she's the only one that of my dogs and she's the only one that has a history of it's your has a history of it's your has a history of it's your joy and I don't think that that's a joy and I don't think that that's a joy and I don't think that that's a correlate I just think that it kind of correlate I just think that it kind of correlate I just think that it kind of says yeah it didn't do that for her says yeah it didn't do that for her says yeah it didn't do that for her Felix on the other hand so Felix I Felix on the other hand so Felix I Felix on the other hand so Felix I decided not to do that stuff with him decided not to do that stuff with him decided not to do that stuff with him he's as I said nine years old so um this he's as I said nine years old so um this he's as I said nine years old so um this has been a you know big process for me I has been a you know big process for me I

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has been a you know big process for me I didn't do any of that stuff with him one didn't do any of that stuff with him one didn't do any of that stuff with him one time though he did go for a piece of time though he did go for a piece of time though he did go for a piece of food on the floor that I didn't cue him food on the floor that I didn't cue him food on the floor that I didn't cue him to get and my to get and my to get and my self came out and I covered the food I self came out and I covered the food I self came out and I covered the food I covered the food yeah and this is again covered the food yeah and this is again covered the food yeah and this is again about the individual I think most dogs about the individual I think most dogs about the individual I think most dogs can handle that no problem Felix didn't can handle that no problem Felix didn't can handle that no problem Felix didn't eat food off the ground for like two eat food off the ground for like two eat food off the ground for like two weeks again that lack of resilience in weeks again that lack of resilience in weeks again that lack of resilience in him in his character right so him in his character right so him in his character right so he he that's just that's another he he that's just that's another he he that's just that's another possibility right so yeah anyway I think possibility right so yeah anyway I think possibility right so yeah anyway I think we I could ramble on about that for a we I could ramble on about that for a we I could ramble on about that for a long time but I think that's I think I long time but I think that's I think I long time but I think that's I think I answered the question hopefully yeah answered the question hopefully yeah answered the question hopefully yeah yeah I think if I had done it's your yeah I think if I had done it's your yeah I think if I had done it's your choice with Samba my young collie [ __ ] choice with Samba my young collie [ __ ] choice with Samba my young collie [ __ ] who's like hates failure she's very very who's like hates failure she's very very who's like hates failure she's very very sensitive I think she also would have sensitive I think she also would have sensitive I think she also would have probably never taken fruit from my hand probably never taken fruit from my hand probably never taken fruit from my hand ever again if like i' have asked her you ever again if like i' have asked her you ever again if like i' have asked her you could yeah I started to see it um when I could yeah I started to see it um when I

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could yeah I started to see it um when I got really serious about okay what is got really serious about okay what is got really serious about okay what is the problem here was when I started to the problem here was when I started to the problem here was when I started to pre pandemic I was traveling a lot to pre pandemic I was traveling a lot to pre pandemic I was traveling a lot to teach so I was going all over the world teach so I was going all over the world teach so I was going all over the world I was very fortunate to get to go all I was very fortunate to get to go all I was very fortunate to get to go all over the world and teach and and I saw over the world and teach and and I saw over the world and teach and and I saw dog after dog after dog after dog after dog after dog after dog confused and worried about food yeah dog confused and worried about food yeah dog confused and worried about food yeah because of the history of that kind of because of the history of that kind of because of the history of that kind of training and at every single time I training and at every single time I training and at every single time I asked does this dog have a foundation asked does this dog have a foundation asked does this dog have a foundation and it's your choice and every single and it's your choice and every single and it's your choice and every single time they said yes and I said okay so time they said yes and I said okay so time they said yes and I said okay so here's what's happened here you've made here's what's happened here you've made here's what's happened here you've made it clear to them that sometimes food's it clear to them that sometimes food's it clear to them that sometimes food's not available yeah but you haven't made not available yeah but you haven't made not available yeah but you haven't made it clear to them when it is so you and it clear to them when it is so you and it clear to them when it is so you and again if you do the protocol correct you again if you do the protocol correct you again if you do the protocol correct you will make that clear yeah um and so we will make that clear yeah um and so we will make that clear yeah um and so we were talking about like I was I was were talking about like I was I was were talking about like I was I was basically trying to teach these folks basically trying to teach these folks basically trying to teach these folks food markers and you know how to cue the food markers and you know how to cue the food markers and you know how to cue the dog to eat food and they th they toss a dog to eat food and they th they toss a

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dog to eat food and they th they toss a piece of food and the dog would freeze piece of food and the dog would freeze piece of food and the dog would freeze and go is this one of those times is and go is this one of those times is and go is this one of those times is this one of those times where you're this one of those times where you're this one of those times where you're gonna punish me for trying to go for the gonna punish me for trying to go for the gonna punish me for trying to go for the food right and it just it sucked to be food right and it just it sucked to be food right and it just it sucked to be very honest about it I hated those very honest about it I hated those very honest about it I hated those moments for these poor dogs and so moments for these poor dogs and so moments for these poor dogs and so trying to then break that concern of trying to then break that concern of trying to then break that concern of like is this one of those moments where like is this one of those moments where like is this one of those moments where it's trap I just never want them to be it's trap I just never want them to be it's trap I just never want them to be to feel trapped or tricked I never want to feel trapped or tricked I never want to feel trapped or tricked I never want them to go oh is this one of those times them to go oh is this one of those times them to go oh is this one of those times I can't have the thing I don't ever want I can't have the thing I don't ever want I can't have the thing I don't ever want that moment and I that has happened I that moment and I that has happened I that moment and I that has happened I saw it the globe over yeah so I saw it saw it the globe over yeah so I saw it saw it the globe over yeah so I saw it all over the United States I saw it in all over the United States I saw it in all over the United States I saw it in Australia I so like it's everywhere so Australia I so like it's everywhere so Australia I so like it's everywhere so it's happening everywhere so you know it's happening everywhere so you know it's happening everywhere so you know the number really aren't lying here that the number really aren't lying here that the number really aren't lying here that there are plenty of dogs that are like there are plenty of dogs that are like there are plenty of dogs that are like not sure not sure if I should I don't not sure not sure if I should I don't not sure not sure if I should I don't like that yeah absolutely and is that like that yeah absolutely and is that like that yeah absolutely and is that like an advantage as well to having

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like an advantage as well to having like an advantage as well to having different Mark cues for how you different Mark cues for how you different Mark cues for how you reinforce with food um because I know reinforce with food um because I know reinforce with food um because I know you have different words don't you you have different words don't you you have different words don't you different cues for how you're presenting different cues for how you're presenting different cues for how you're presenting yeah so I would say that it's not super yeah so I would say that it's not super yeah so I would say that it's not super important for you to have a lot of them important for you to have a lot of them important for you to have a lot of them or to have a lot of different ones as or to have a lot of different ones as or to have a lot of different ones as long as you are very clear about the long as you are very clear about the long as you are very clear about the ones that you have or even the one that ones that you have or even the one that ones that you have or even the one that you have if you just have one word that you have if you just have one word that you have if you just have one word that means eat food and you're very clear means eat food and you're very clear means eat food and you're very clear about it that is way better than having about it that is way better than having about it that is way better than having six words that mean eat food six six words that mean eat food six six words that mean eat food six different ways and the dog is completely different ways and the dog is completely different ways and the dog is completely confused about what you're doing which confused about what you're doing which confused about what you're doing which is like most of the time that I see so is like most of the time that I see so is like most of the time that I see so people are like yes I have these cues people are like yes I have these cues people are like yes I have these cues and then you know when we put it to the and then you know when we put it to the and then you know when we put it to the test no you don't so being very clear test no you don't so being very clear test no you don't so being very clear with like one word means eat food and with like one word means eat food and with like one word means eat food and maybe another word means bite a toy I maybe another word means bite a toy I maybe another word means bite a toy I think that's like a bare minimum that think that's like a bare minimum that think that's like a bare minimum that you need to have as a communic

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you need to have as a communic you need to have as a communic system these days I really harp on the system these days I really harp on the system these days I really harp on the way that people deliver food more than way that people deliver food more than way that people deliver food more than the words that are coming out of their the words that are coming out of their the words that are coming out of their mouth so staying very clear about not mouth so staying very clear about not mouth so staying very clear about not putting your food not putting your hand putting your food not putting your hand putting your food not putting your hand on the food before you cue before you on the food before you cue before you on the food before you cue before you say your word that's that's a big deal say your word that's that's a big deal say your word that's that's a big deal or if you have preloaded if the food is or if you have preloaded if the food is or if you have preloaded if the food is in your hand not moving the hand until in your hand not moving the hand until in your hand not moving the hand until after you've said the word and then when after you've said the word and then when after you've said the word and then when you move the hand move it really you move the hand move it really you move the hand move it really deliberately deliver it to the dog in a deliberately deliver it to the dog in a deliberately deliver it to the dog in a really clean fashion really clean fashion really clean fashion so the dog can recognize and relax into so the dog can recognize and relax into so the dog can recognize and relax into the body language that you're showing the body language that you're showing the body language that you're showing them and they know for sure where the them and they know for sure where the them and they know for sure where the food's going to be and how you're going food's going to be and how you're going food's going to be and how you're going to deliver it I think that that's more to deliver it I think that that's more to deliver it I think that that's more important than having multiple words to important than having multiple words to important than having multiple words to cue we're verb we're verbal primate cue we're verb we're verbal primate cue we're verb we're verbal primate species right and so we love to have species right and so we love to have species right and so we love to have like well find it means food on the like well find it means food on the like well find it means food on the ground and yes means food from hand and ground and yes means food from hand and

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ground and yes means food from hand and Dish means food from bowl and but like Dish means food from bowl and but like Dish means food from bowl and but like we go perfect my dog will never be we go perfect my dog will never be we go perfect my dog will never be confused again and then the dog is confused again and then the dog is confused again and then the dog is confused because your body language is confused because your body language is confused because your body language is all over the place yeah yeah and that's all over the place yeah yeah and that's all over the place yeah yeah and that's the primary thing they're paying the primary thing they're paying the primary thing they're paying attention to so that's another thing but attention to so that's another thing but attention to so that's another thing but it is how I introduce the concept of it is how I introduce the concept of it is how I introduce the concept of verbal queuing I first teach them how verbal queuing I first teach them how verbal queuing I first teach them how how to eat and then they want to eat and how to eat and then they want to eat and how to eat and then they want to eat and then I teach them words that mean eat then I teach them words that mean eat then I teach them words that mean eat before I teach them words that mean before I teach them words that mean before I teach them words that mean other other other behaviors yeah it's behaviors yeah it's behaviors yeah it's interesting oh and actually ask about interesting oh and actually ask about interesting oh and actually ask about errorless learning next speaking about errorless learning next speaking about errorless learning next speaking about frustration and that and another myth frustration and that and another myth frustration and that and another myth myth conception or you know there's so myth conception or you know there's so myth conception or you know there's so many opinions what do you think about many opinions what do you think about many opinions what do you think about that you know I'm glad you asked me that you know I'm glad you asked me that you know I'm glad you asked me because it comes up on a lot of dog because it comes up on a lot of dog because it comes up on a lot of dog trading podcasts and discussions um yeah trading podcasts and discussions um yeah trading podcasts and discussions um yeah and I don't hear and I don't hear and I don't hear people understanding it super well and people understanding it super well and people understanding it super well and so I would like to say for the record so I would like to say for the record

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so I would like to say for the record errorless learning is not training errorless learning is not training errorless learning is not training without errors the word it's it's a without errors the word it's it's a without errors the word it's it's a misnomer errorless does not mean there misnomer errorless does not mean there misnomer errorless does not mean there will be no mistakes it doesn't mean will be no mistakes it doesn't mean will be no mistakes it doesn't mean that heirless Protocols are protocols that heirless Protocols are protocols that heirless Protocols are protocols that are designed to minimize incorrect that are designed to minimize incorrect that are designed to minimize incorrect responses so for instance I was responses so for instance I was responses so for instance I was listening to um a couple of trainers listening to um a couple of trainers listening to um a couple of trainers have a discussion about this and they have a discussion about this and they have a discussion about this and they were both they were both feeling very were both they were both feeling very were both they were both feeling very strongly that heiress learning is s and strongly that heiress learning is s and strongly that heiress learning is s and should never be talked about and that of should never be talked about and that of should never be talked about and that of course dogs need to make mistakes and course dogs need to make mistakes and course dogs need to make mistakes and this is this is all about everybody this is this is all about everybody this is this is all about everybody being a way too soft treat slinging you being a way too soft treat slinging you being a way too soft treat slinging you know wuss right so that's kind of how know wuss right so that's kind of how know wuss right so that's kind of how they were talking so that sets the scene they were talking so that sets the scene they were talking so that sets the scene for who I was listening like you can for who I was listening like you can for who I was listening like you can probably guess so I was listening to two probably guess so I was listening to two probably guess so I was listening to two people talking about this and neither of people talking about this and neither of people talking about this and neither of them understood what arless learning them understood what arless learning them understood what arless learning means because they both thought it meant means because they both thought it meant means because they both thought it meant that that the dog never makes a mistake that that the dog never makes a mistake

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that that the dog never makes a mistake then they both win then they both win then they both win on to talk about what they do actually on to talk about what they do actually on to talk about what they do actually do and they both fully described aess do and they both fully described aess do and they both fully described aess protocols for all of their early protocols for all of their early protocols for all of their early learning for the dogs they both learning for the dogs they both learning for the dogs they both described how they minimize error up described how they minimize error up described how they minimize error up until a certain skill point where they until a certain skill point where they until a certain skill point where they might introduce error that's not might introduce error that's not might introduce error that's not different from what how I train that's different from what how I train that's different from what how I train that's completely how I train and I would say completely how I train and I would say completely how I train and I would say that I generally am banking on an that I generally am banking on an that I generally am banking on an errorless procedure for most things not errorless procedure for most things not errorless procedure for most things not for all things but for your my sport for all things but for your my sport for all things but for your my sport training absolutely I don't want you training absolutely I don't want you training absolutely I don't want you making mistakes when you're this is the making mistakes when you're this is the making mistakes when you're this is the other funny thing people who will say other funny thing people who will say other funny thing people who will say heess learning is bad because dogs need heess learning is bad because dogs need heess learning is bad because dogs need to make mistakes to learn yeah yeah hear to make mistakes to learn yeah yeah hear to make mistakes to learn yeah yeah hear or people who will say that in the same or people who will say that in the same or people who will say that in the same sense sense sense will not want the dog to make mistakes will not want the dog to make mistakes will not want the dog to make mistakes in this protocol but do want them to in this protocol but do want them to in this protocol but do want them to make mistakes over here so the make mistakes over here so the make mistakes over here so the difference actually is that in a trial difference actually is that in a trial difference actually is that in a trial and error or trial and success protocol

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and error or trial and success protocol and error or trial and success protocol which is like the other type of protocol which is like the other type of protocol which is like the other type of protocol you might do it's either errorless or it you might do it's either errorless or it you might do it's either errorless or it is trial and success SL is trial and success SL is trial and success SL error yeah in that type of error yeah in that type of error yeah in that type of protocol you have a response planned for protocol you have a response planned for protocol you have a response planned for the error that helps the learner the error that helps the learner the error that helps the learner progress in an errorless progress in an errorless progress in an errorless Paradigm any mistakes you make are not Paradigm any mistakes you make are not Paradigm any mistakes you make are not going to be good for us they're not going to be good for us they're not going to be good for us they're not going to progress the learning and so going to progress the learning and so going to progress the learning and so it's best for me to avoid it's best for me to avoid it's best for me to avoid them that's the difference between the them that's the difference between the them that's the difference between the two things it's not over here they never two things it's not over here they never two things it's not over here they never make a make a make a mistake and over here they make a lot of mistake and over here they make a lot of mistake and over here they make a lot of mistakes and I correct them it's that's mistakes and I correct them it's that's mistakes and I correct them it's that's not it it is in an aess Paradigm I'm not not it it is in an aess Paradigm I'm not not it it is in an aess Paradigm I'm not leveraging the error the error is not leveraging the error the error is not leveraging the error the error is not helping me and in a trial and success helping me and in a trial and success helping me and in a trial and success Paradigm I am it is helping Paradigm I am it is helping Paradigm I am it is helping me and you get to make I don't think me and you get to make I don't think me and you get to make I don't think that there's a value judgment here and I that there's a value judgment here and I that there's a value judgment here and I don't think there's an ethic situation don't think there's an ethic situation don't think there's an ethic situation it is what's best for the situation it is what's best for the situation it is what's best for the situation what's best for the what's best for the

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what's best for the outcome and always what's going to be outcome and always what's going to be outcome and always what's going to be best for your outcome is maintaining a best for your outcome is maintaining a best for your outcome is maintaining a good attitude in your dog and minimizing good attitude in your dog and minimizing good attitude in your dog and minimizing nobody likes frustration behaviors nobody likes frustration behaviors nobody likes frustration behaviors nobody likes nobody likes nobody likes them they label them over arousal them they label them over arousal them they label them over arousal behaviors a lot of the time they're behaviors a lot of the time they're behaviors a lot of the time they're they're just frustration they're just they're just frustration they're just they're just frustration they're just anger yeah anger yeah anger yeah um so um so um so for for for instance when we're training say instance when we're training say instance when we're training say um a running dog walk do you ever want a um a running dog walk do you ever want a um a running dog walk do you ever want a response where the dog doesn't hit the response where the dog doesn't hit the response where the dog doesn't hit the target yeah no you want the dog to hit target yeah no you want the dog to hit target yeah no you want the dog to hit the target every time and the reason you the target every time and the reason you the target every time and the reason you do is because of the entire Behavior do is because of the entire Behavior do is because of the entire Behavior chain that had to happen leading up to chain that had to happen leading up to chain that had to happen leading up to the the the Target and the fact that if the final Target and the fact that if the final Target and the fact that if the final Link in your chain is the only wrong one Link in your chain is the only wrong one Link in your chain is the only wrong one there you don't have a whole lot of there you don't have a whole lot of there you don't have a whole lot of power as a teacher then yeah to to power as a teacher then yeah to to power as a teacher then yeah to to communicate to them which link was wrong communicate to them which link was wrong communicate to them which link was wrong or to communicate to them how to do how or to communicate to them how to do how or to communicate to them how to do how to do that link better you want that to do that link better you want that to do that link better you want that link so strong before you ever put it on link so strong before you ever put it on

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link so strong before you ever put it on a dog walk that the errors are going to a dog walk that the errors are going to a dog walk that the errors are going to be minimized that is smart be minimized that is smart be minimized that is smart yeah versus the way that a lot of people yeah versus the way that a lot of people yeah versus the way that a lot of people train um stay types of behaviors is train um stay types of behaviors is train um stay types of behaviors is baiting error trying to get them to move baiting error trying to get them to move baiting error trying to get them to move to remove the reinforcer yeah so it's I think that for me it's yeah so it's I think that for me it's not like everybody should be training not like everybody should be training not like everybody should be training everything heess it is everybody should everything heess it is everybody should everything heess it is everybody should be thinking really hard about what be thinking really hard about what be thinking really hard about what they're doing and everybody should be they're doing and everybody should be they're doing and everybody should be planning everybody should be doing their planning everybody should be doing their planning everybody should be doing their their work in the planning phases so their work in the planning phases so their work in the planning phases so that when the dog comes out we know that when the dog comes out we know that when the dog comes out we know what's going on I'm training Carson her what's going on I'm training Carson her what's going on I'm training Carson her weave Poes right now we had a session weave Poes right now we had a session weave Poes right now we had a session yesterday that I didn't love too many yesterday that I didn't love too many yesterday that I didn't love too many mistakes because again what am I going mistakes because again what am I going mistakes because again what am I going to do about it she doesn't even know to do about it she doesn't even know to do about it she doesn't even know enough once she understands this concept enough once she understands this concept enough once she understands this concept at all I can maybe start to talk to her at all I can maybe start to talk to her at all I can maybe start to talk to her about a mistake but it's worthless right about a mistake but it's worthless right about a mistake but it's worthless right now I need her to just get it right now I need her to just get it right now I need her to just get it right right now yeah so I'm G to look at my right now yeah so I'm G to look at my

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right now yeah so I'm G to look at my video and I'm going to figure out what I video and I'm going to figure out what I video and I'm going to figure out what I need to do for her session today to make need to do for her session today to make need to do for her session today to make sure that I'm minimizing error again sure that I'm minimizing error again sure that I'm minimizing error again because she's too early in the stages because she's too early in the stages because she's too early in the stages and like I was listening to those two and like I was listening to those two and like I was listening to those two trainers talk on the podcast they both trainers talk on the podcast they both trainers talk on the podcast they both were like well yeah when they're puppies were like well yeah when they're puppies were like well yeah when they're puppies and they're learning this they're and they're learning this they're and they're learning this they're learning this or if we're teaching this learning this or if we're teaching this learning this or if we're teaching this we definitely want to minimize error but we definitely want to minimize error but we definitely want to minimize error but then at this point we might introduce then at this point we might introduce then at this point we might introduce something where the dog does make a something where the dog does make a something where the dog does make a mistake so that we can then communicate mistake so that we can then communicate mistake so that we can then communicate that that was a mistake and I'm like that that was a mistake and I'm like that that was a mistake and I'm like sure that's fine that's good good dog sure that's fine that's good good dog sure that's fine that's good good dog training it's understanding what's going training it's understanding what's going training it's understanding what's going to be best for you to be best for you to be best for you now and usually especially in sport now and usually especially in sport now and usually especially in sport behaviors what's best for you is behaviors what's best for you is behaviors what's best for you is minimizing error yeah yeah which I think minimizing error yeah yeah which I think minimizing error yeah yeah which I think a lot of people like they don't have a a lot of people like they don't have a a lot of people like they don't have a plan like you say it's important to plan like you say it's important to plan like you say it's important to likeing a behavior and I find like a lot likeing a behavior and I find like a lot

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likeing a behavior and I find like a lot of people they know one way to train of people they know one way to train of people they know one way to train something and obviously that doesn't something and obviously that doesn't something and obviously that doesn't work for every single dog and if it work for every single dog and if it work for every single dog and if it doesn't work for their dog they then doesn't work for their dog they then doesn't work for their dog they then just like will use like a non-reward just like will use like a non-reward just like will use like a non-reward marker like incessantly for example and marker like incessantly for example and marker like incessantly for example and like because they don't have any plan like because they don't have any plan like because they don't have any plan because they don't know what to do next because they don't know what to do next because they don't know what to do next you know and so I think that's so you know and so I think that's so you know and so I think that's so important um to like you say have that important um to like you say have that important um to like you say have that plan so if it does go wrong then you're plan so if it does go wrong then you're plan so if it does go wrong then you're like okay I need to adjust something and like okay I need to adjust something and like okay I need to adjust something and you know not let the dog fail as many you know not let the dog fail as many you know not let the dog fail as many times as what you sometimes see and times as what you sometimes see and times as what you sometimes see and so yeah good good training typically low so yeah good good training typically low so yeah good good training typically low on the failure side and yeah if you I on the failure side and yeah if you I on the failure side and yeah if you I always know that I need to throw in the always know that I need to throw in the always know that I need to throw in the towel if I if I go no if I say no or towel if I if I go no if I say no or towel if I if I go no if I say no or like whatever I really don't go like like whatever I really don't go like like whatever I really don't go like that's just not in my vernacular but that's just not in my vernacular but that's just not in my vernacular but like if I if or if I go if I say oops or like if I if or if I go if I say oops or like if I if or if I go if I say oops or try again or no or like any of those try again or no or like any of those try again or no or like any of those things like I know that this is things like I know that this is

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things like I know that this is derailing like I this this is not going derailing like I this this is not going derailing like I this this is not going the way that I wanted go yeah unless I the way that I wanted go yeah unless I the way that I wanted go yeah unless I did decide in this session I'm going to did decide in this session I'm going to did decide in this session I'm going to communicate to you exactly what the communicate to you exactly what the communicate to you exactly what the broken pieces is which I'm only going to broken pieces is which I'm only going to broken pieces is which I'm only going to do if I actually believe that you have do if I actually believe that you have do if I actually believe that you have the skills around that for that to get the skills around that for that to get the skills around that for that to get better for us for that to actually work better for us for that to actually work better for us for that to actually work for us and so often it just doesn't if for us and so often it just doesn't if for us and so often it just doesn't if you're teaching um yeah if you're you're teaching um yeah if you're you're teaching um yeah if you're teaching a puppy to hit a running teaching a puppy to hit a running teaching a puppy to hit a running contact Target and they hit it with one contact Target and they hit it with one contact Target and they hit it with one foot and not three and you say eh foot and not three and you say eh foot and not three and you say eh I'm sorry you're that's not smart like I'm sorry you're that's not smart like I'm sorry you're that's not smart like that's just not smart training they that's just not smart training they that's just not smart training they don't know anything they don't know they don't know anything they don't know they don't know anything they don't know they hit it with one and not three they hit it with one and not three they hit it with one and not three they arguably never know that arguably never know that arguably never know that um it's it's just is that because I do um it's it's just is that because I do um it's it's just is that because I do actually teach my dogs now actually teach my dogs now actually teach my dogs now today um it is in my practice to teach today um it is in my practice to teach today um it is in my practice to teach them the word no and the word no is not them the word no and the word no is not them the word no and the word no is not attached to you know you getting hit attached to you know you getting hit attached to you know you getting hit over the head with something but it is

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over the head with something but it is over the head with something but it is it is a con I deliberately introduce it it is a con I deliberately introduce it it is a con I deliberately introduce it in situations where there is a right in situations where there is a right in situations where there is a right answer and a wrong answer and it's not answer and a wrong answer and it's not answer and a wrong answer and it's not support training hint wink um and I when support training hint wink um and I when support training hint wink um and I when you start to make one choice it's when you start to make one choice it's when you start to make one choice it's when you start to not once you finished it I you start to not once you finished it I you start to not once you finished it I say no and I block your access from say no and I block your access from say no and I block your access from reinforcement for that choice and when reinforcement for that choice and when reinforcement for that choice and when you make the other choice I pay you and you make the other choice I pay you and you make the other choice I pay you and I'm deliberately teaching you when I say I'm deliberately teaching you when I say I'm deliberately teaching you when I say no it means make a different Choice okay no it means make a different Choice okay no it means make a different Choice okay so since I have taught my dogs that if so since I have taught my dogs that if so since I have taught my dogs that if it comes out of my mouth in a sport it comes out of my mouth in a sport it comes out of my mouth in a sport training context I know that I need to training context I know that I need to training context I know that I need to check myself and figure out what's going check myself and figure out what's going check myself and figure out what's going on because that's not that's not how I on because that's not that's not how I on because that's not that's not how I want to teach them but again like want to teach them but again like want to teach them but again like there's always exceptions I might have a there's always exceptions I might have a there's always exceptions I might have a very experienced and I might say no we've to experienced and I might say no we've to deliberately say in that moment that deliberately say in that moment that deliberately say in that moment that moment where you made that one I would moment where you made that one I would moment where you made that one I would like you to to try something else but like you to to try something else but

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like you to to try something else but again blocking access to reinforcement again blocking access to reinforcement again blocking access to reinforcement for that choice is a really really for that choice is a really really for that choice is a really really important part of that choice if the dog important part of that choice if the dog important part of that choice if the dog enters at poll two and I say no but they enters at poll two and I say no but they enters at poll two and I say no but they finish the weave finish the weave finish the weave polls I'm not teaching them polls I'm not teaching them polls I'm not teaching them anything um so that's where I might use anything um so that's where I might use anything um so that's where I might use a prop I might use a gate like I might a prop I might use a gate like I might a prop I might use a gate like I might I'm going to do something else so this I'm going to do something else so this I'm going to do something else so this is going to be Sarah string says no to is going to be Sarah string says no to is going to be Sarah string says no to her dogs everybody her dogs everybody her dogs everybody um name the episode that but it's just um name the episode that but it's just um name the episode that but it's just it's almost it's almost never coming it's almost it's almost never coming it's almost it's almost never coming into my sport training it is coming into my sport training it is coming into my sport training it is coming into um other situations in my in my into um other situations in my in my into um other situations in my in my real life training so for instance like real life training so for instance like real life training so for instance like Felix knows it he's the first dog that I Felix knows it he's the first dog that I Felix knows it he's the first dog that I taught it to in my life igy has no 's 15 taught it to in my life igy has no 's 15 taught it to in my life igy has no 's 15 and a half she can't hear me anymore and a half she can't hear me anymore and a half she can't hear me anymore anyway and if I ever did tell her no she anyway and if I ever did tell her no she anyway and if I ever did tell her no she would tell me how cute that was that I would tell me how cute that was that I would tell me how cute that was that I thought I could tell her anything thought I could tell her anything thought I could tell her anything but Felix knows it and if like Carson's but Felix knows it and if like Carson's but Felix knows it and if like Carson's in seasoned if Felix is neutered but if in seasoned if Felix is neutered but if

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in seasoned if Felix is neutered but if he has a certain thought in his head he has a certain thought in his head he has a certain thought in his head about her being season I say that about her being season I say that about her being season I say that word and he goes and lays down and then word and he goes and lays down and then word and he goes and lays down and then I reinforce so it's literally just do I reinforce so it's literally just do I reinforce so it's literally just do something else yeah do something else something else yeah do something else something else yeah do something else right now and then he does something right now and then he does something right now and then he does something else and I feed him with food or I tell else and I feed him with food or I tell else and I feed him with food or I tell him he's my sweetest baby angel and I him he's my sweetest baby angel and I him he's my sweetest baby angel and I love him or like whatever love him or like whatever love him or like whatever um without actually deliberately um without actually deliberately um without actually deliberately training that that word means make a training that that word means make a training that that word means make a different Choice unfortunately people different Choice unfortunately people different Choice unfortunately people attach that word instead to like their attach that word instead to like their attach that word instead to like their anger or their big responses or whatever anger or their big responses or whatever anger or their big responses or whatever and I'm not saying that I never get mad and I'm not saying that I never get mad and I'm not saying that I never get mad at my dogs and never yell at them but at my dogs and never yell at them but at my dogs and never yell at them but like how much smarter is it for me to like how much smarter is it for me to like how much smarter is it for me to just have a word that means make a just have a word that means make a just have a word that means make a different choice and if I actually know different choice and if I actually know different choice and if I actually know what the choice is that I want you to what the choice is that I want you to what the choice is that I want you to make and it's really clear to me I'll make and it's really clear to me I'll make and it's really clear to me I'll tell you that word not going to tell you tell you that word not going to tell you tell you that word not going to tell you no yeah so like I might tell you to come no yeah so like I might tell you to come

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no yeah so like I might tell you to come put your collar in my hand instead of put your collar in my hand instead of put your collar in my hand instead of what you're doing and then I'll what you're doing and then I'll what you're doing and then I'll reinforce you for and because I taught reinforce you for and because I taught reinforce you for and because I taught you that skill I get to do that in that you that skill I get to do that in that you that skill I get to do that in that moment we just went down a real rabbit moment we just went down a real rabbit moment we just went down a real rabbit hole that I didn't know we were going hole that I didn't know we were going hole that I didn't know we were going down great and I think as well like if you great and I think as well like if you you know by you saying no and because you know by you saying no and because you know by you saying no and because your dogs are used to offering choices your dogs are used to offering choices your dogs are used to offering choices and offering behaviors and stuff I and offering behaviors and stuff I and offering behaviors and stuff I suppose it's easier for them than say a suppose it's easier for them than say a suppose it's easier for them than say a dog that has perhaps I don't know not dog that has perhaps I don't know not dog that has perhaps I don't know not had that kind of training would you had that kind of training would you had that kind of training would you say well sure so say well sure so say well sure so anytime anytime anytime I because certainly there are moments I because certainly there are moments I because certainly there are moments when I just shut it down like if you when I just shut it down like if you when I just shut it down like if you can't make the right choice in this can't make the right choice in this can't make the right choice in this situation I don't give you any situation I don't give you any situation I don't give you any choices and the word no is is me choices and the word no is is me choices and the word no is is me offering you Choice um and this is actually really Choice um and this is actually really outlined this is probably the big outlined this is probably the big outlined this is probably the big umbrella Concept in that teenage Tyrant umbrella Concept in that teenage Tyrant umbrella Concept in that teenage Tyrant course the course about adolescent dogs course the course about adolescent dogs course the course about adolescent dogs is teaching the human when to offer is teaching the human when to offer

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is teaching the human when to offer choice and when not to what's a choice choice and when not to what's a choice choice and when not to what's a choice and what's a no choice moment yeah and what's a no choice moment yeah and what's a no choice moment yeah before and in order to have choices in before and in order to have choices in before and in order to have choices in your life you must have agency and what your life you must have agency and what your life you must have agency and what agency is is the ability to make the agency is is the ability to make the agency is is the ability to make the choice so if you don't have training if choice so if you don't have training if choice so if you don't have training if you don't have an education that helps you don't have an education that helps you don't have an education that helps you make this Choice it's not fair for you make this Choice it's not fair for you make this Choice it's not fair for me to offer you this me to offer you this me to offer you this choice choice choice so so so by providing them with the skills by providing them with the skills by providing them with the skills training that they need to be able to training that they need to be able to training that they need to be able to make the correct choice I can now offer make the correct choice I can now offer make the correct choice I can now offer a choice rather than just shut down a choice rather than just shut down a choice rather than just shut down whatever it is that you're doing or just whatever it is that you're doing or just whatever it is that you're doing or just you know when I say shut down it's like you know when I say shut down it's like you know when I say shut down it's like I go get you I put you somewhere else I I go get you I put you somewhere else I I go get you I put you somewhere else I put you on leash I what like whatever we put you on leash I what like whatever we put you on leash I what like whatever we just we just aren't doing this now I'm just we just aren't doing this now I'm just we just aren't doing this now I'm going to you know people like people say going to you know people like people say going to you know people like people say like somebody asked me when Carson was like somebody asked me when Carson was like somebody asked me when Carson was like five months old what some of her like five months old what some of her like five months old what some of her choice and no choice moments were and I choice and no choice moments were and I choice and no choice moments were and I was like well literally everything's a

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was like well literally everything's a was like well literally everything's a no choice moment she's five months old no choice moment she's five months old no choice moment she's five months old she doesn't have any she doesn't have any she doesn't have any skills other than like there's so much skills other than like there's so much skills other than like there's so much like her life is abundantly full of like her life is abundantly full of like her life is abundantly full of positive reinforcement choices like positive reinforcement choices like positive reinforcement choices like options not Choice options and so that's options not Choice options and so that's options not Choice options and so that's okay like that's that's where the okay like that's that's where the okay like that's that's where the balance comes in of like but I don't ask balance comes in of like but I don't ask balance comes in of like but I don't ask her to get in the car I just put her in her to get in the car I just put her in her to get in the car I just put her in the car I don't ask her to come in from the car I don't ask her to come in from the car I don't ask her to come in from the backyard I just reel her in on the the backyard I just reel her in on the the backyard I just reel her in on the line like things like that because she line like things like that because she line like things like that because she doesn't have the skill set in order for doesn't have the skill set in order for doesn't have the skill set in order for me to ask her to make a choice yeah me to ask her to make a choice yeah me to ask her to make a choice yeah because our Q's are always choices because our Q's are always choices because our Q's are always choices including my q no yeah it's just that if including my q no yeah it's just that if including my q no yeah it's just that if I say no and you don't make another I say no and you don't make another I say no and you don't make another choice I remove your ability to make the choice I remove your ability to make the choice I remove your ability to make the choice you're choice you're choice you're making yeah makes making yeah makes making yeah makes sense yeah it's so interesting and I sense yeah it's so interesting and I sense yeah it's so interesting and I kind of wish I knew all of this sooner kind of wish I knew all of this sooner kind of wish I knew all of this sooner but don't we but don't we but don't we all okay I mean we all right like that's all okay I mean we all right like that's all okay I mean we all right like that's just it's so live and learn and it's

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just it's so live and learn and it's just it's so live and learn and it's also it's so important for everybody to also it's so important for everybody to also it's so important for everybody to know that like nothing is fixed nothing know that like nothing is fixed nothing know that like nothing is fixed nothing is set in stone you can you can start to is set in stone you can you can start to is set in stone you can you can start to put stuff into action now and you can put stuff into action now and you can put stuff into action now and you can you can change a lot now just because you can change a lot now just because you can change a lot now just because they develop some problems in their they develop some problems in their they develop some problems in their adolescent period doesn't mean that they adolescent period doesn't mean that they adolescent period doesn't mean that they can't be well adjusted adults yeah it's can't be well adjusted adults yeah it's can't be well adjusted adults yeah it's just more work yeah yeah yeah yeah just more work yeah yeah yeah yeah just more work yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and I mean that's just it it's not yeah and I mean that's just it it's not yeah and I mean that's just it it's not like good or bad it's just you know like good or bad it's just you know like good or bad it's just you know that's what you got kind of thing yeah I that's what you got kind of thing yeah I that's what you got kind of thing yeah I mean there there were a lot of ways I mean there there were a lot of ways I mean there there were a lot of ways I behaved in my 20s that I'm really happy behaved in my 20s that I'm really happy behaved in my 20s that I'm really happy I don't do anymore so for for W your 30s are ahead just look W your 30s are ahead just look forward forward forward okay okay but let's get to sort of the okay okay but let's get to sort of the okay okay but let's get to sort of the second part which is the more agility second part which is the more agility second part which is the more agility specific things that we still specific things that we still specific things that we still love um but let's start still with sort love um but let's start still with sort love um but let's start still with sort of behavior or like skills around of behavior or like skills around of behavior or like skills around agility what ringside behaviors you agility what ringside behaviors you agility what ringside behaviors you believe are essential around during you believe are essential around during you believe are essential around during you know you know what's essential to me is

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know you know what's essential to me is know you know what's essential to me is going to be different probably from going to be different probably from going to be different probably from what's essential to other people um so I what's essential to other people um so I what's essential to other people um so I I I will stick to kind of what I I I will stick to kind of what I I I will stick to kind of what I Implement when people come to me when Implement when people come to me when Implement when people come to me when they are struggling so if you are not they are struggling so if you are not they are struggling so if you are not struggling and your dog doesn't have any struggling and your dog doesn't have any struggling and your dog doesn't have any of these skills I don't want you to of these skills I don't want you to of these skills I don't want you to believe that I said that you have a believe that I said that you have a believe that I said that you have a problem when you don't so just know that problem when you don't so just know that problem when you don't so just know that for sure however I would for sure however I would for sure however I would like agility to be accessible to a wide like agility to be accessible to a wide like agility to be accessible to a wide range of dogs and making it accessible range of dogs and making it accessible range of dogs and making it accessible to a wide range of dogs does mean that to a wide range of dogs does mean that to a wide range of dogs does mean that your dog needs to not not be a barrier your dog needs to not not be a barrier your dog needs to not not be a barrier to for other people's dogs to for other people's dogs to for other people's dogs meaning I have a lot of dogs doing meaning I have a lot of dogs doing meaning I have a lot of dogs doing agility who have graduated from my agility who have graduated from my agility who have graduated from my coaching program who have aggression coaching program who have aggression coaching program who have aggression problems reactivity problems they've got problems reactivity problems they've got problems reactivity problems they've got problems but they look great they're problems but they look great they're problems but they look great they're doing great in that doing great in that doing great in that environment but if you allow your dog to environment but if you allow your dog to environment but if you allow your dog to Barrel into their space and you know Barrel into their space and you know Barrel into their space and you know really invade their space it's going to

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really invade their space it's going to really invade their space it's going to make that environment less accessible make that environment less accessible make that environment less accessible for these people and I think that's not for these people and I think that's not for these people and I think that's not fair so that's fair so that's fair so that's yeah maybe that person thinks they're yeah maybe that person thinks they're yeah maybe that person thinks they're not having a problem but maybe pay not having a problem but maybe pay not having a problem but maybe pay attention to if you're causing problems attention to if you're causing problems attention to if you're causing problems for other people as well and then you for other people as well and then you for other people as well and then you know just a thought it's just a consideration that's also extends to consideration that's also extends to driving or being in the grocery store um driving or being in the grocery store um driving or being in the grocery store um so I like loose leash so I like loose leash so I like loose leash walking I know that that does not make walking I know that that does not make walking I know that that does not make me popular but I would like dogs to not me popular but I would like dogs to not me popular but I would like dogs to not be dragging people through environments be dragging people through environments be dragging people through environments if for no other reason then you are if for no other reason then you are if for no other reason then you are causing problems for other people when causing problems for other people when causing problems for other people when you do that I would like them to not be you do that I would like them to not be you do that I would like them to not be dragging you I also just happen to know dragging you I also just happen to know dragging you I also just happen to know it's not good for them and their mindset it's not good for them and their mindset it's not good for them and their mindset to be dragging you so Luc Le walking is to be dragging you so Luc Le walking is to be dragging you so Luc Le walking is a big one for me um some manner of a big one for me um some manner of a big one for me um some manner of standby of waiting basically some manner standby of waiting basically some manner standby of waiting basically some manner of the dog understanding it is not my of the dog understanding it is not my of the dog understanding it is not my turn turn turn yet and I can be comfortable with that yet and I can be comfortable with that

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yet and I can be comfortable with that because I will be told when it is my because I will be told when it is my because I will be told when it is my turn because they don't know that turn because they don't know that turn because they don't know that there's a run order and they don't know there's a run order and they don't know there's a run order and they don't know that there's a order of that there's a order of that there's a order of things all they know is that you're things all they know is that you're things all they know is that you're standing around and they're not in there standing around and they're not in there standing around and they're not in there yet so giving them the ability just yet so giving them the ability just yet so giving them the ability just telling them we're waiting now and telling them we're waiting now and telling them we're waiting now and having them know that and having them be having them know that and having them be having them know that and having them be secure in that skill is another one and secure in that skill is another one and secure in that skill is another one and you can do it any manner of ways you can you can do it any manner of ways you can you can do it any manner of ways you can do it with a down stay or you can do it do it with a down stay or you can do it do it with a down stay or you can do it I've got some cents who station the dog I've got some cents who station the dog I've got some cents who station the dog between their legs so the dog is just between their legs so the dog is just between their legs so the dog is just standing between their legs that's a standing between their legs that's a standing between their legs that's a really good one for the dogs that are a really good one for the dogs that are a really good one for the dogs that are a little bit uncomfortable with the little bit uncomfortable with the little bit uncomfortable with the environment because they can feel very environment because they can feel very environment because they can feel very protected that way um down stay is a lot protected that way um down stay is a lot protected that way um down stay is a lot more vulnerable so yeah some dogs are more vulnerable so yeah some dogs are more vulnerable so yeah some dogs are less comfortable with less comfortable with less comfortable with that that that um there I don't care how you do it if um there I don't care how you do it if um there I don't care how you do it if it's a small dog it could be in your it's a small dog it could be in your it's a small dog it could be in your arms if you've taught them when you're

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arms if you've taught them when you're arms if you've taught them when you're in my arms we're not going in yet right in my arms we're not going in yet right in my arms we're not going in yet right I see lots of small dogs comfortable I see lots of small dogs comfortable I see lots of small dogs comfortable with that I see lots of small dogs not with that I see lots of small dogs not with that I see lots of small dogs not comfortable with that so it's just you comfortable with that so it's just you comfortable with that so it's just you know helping them be comfortable in know helping them be comfortable in know helping them be comfortable in whatever way it is maybe the dog sitting whatever way it is maybe the dog sitting whatever way it is maybe the dog sitting in your chair ringside they're just in your chair ringside they're just in your chair ringside they're just stationed in the chair and then they stationed in the chair and then they stationed in the chair and then they know when they get released out of the know when they get released out of the know when they get released out of the chair okay we're going in so basically chair okay we're going in so basically chair okay we're going in so basically the ability to wait the ability to walk the ability to wait the ability to walk the ability to wait the ability to walk on a loose leash maintain a loose leash on a loose leash maintain a loose leash on a loose leash maintain a loose leash um and then I do think that they should um and then I do think that they should um and then I do think that they should be able to eat ringside but that goes be able to eat ringside but that goes be able to eat ringside but that goes back to so many different um other back to so many different um other back to so many different um other things and other reasons that I think things and other reasons that I think things and other reasons that I think that I'd like them too to be able to that I'd like them too to be able to that I'd like them too to be able to enter the ring and have their leash enter the ring and have their leash enter the ring and have their leash taken off right away I would like it if taken off right away I would like it if taken off right away I would like it if you could walk together to the start you could walk together to the start you could walk together to the start line with the dog off leash there are a line with the dog off leash there are a line with the dog off leash there are a lot of reasons for that again um one is lot of reasons for that again um one is lot of reasons for that again um one is that if they are starting the game

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that if they are starting the game that if they are starting the game without without without you that is going to I can easily link you that is going to I can easily link you that is going to I can easily link that back to kind of some other problems that back to kind of some other problems that back to kind of some other problems so you know saying it a million times so you know saying it a million times so you know saying it a million times I'm informed by the clientele I'm I'm informed by the clientele I'm I'm informed by the clientele I'm informed by fixing problems if if you informed by fixing problems if if you informed by fixing problems if if you teach the dog to walk on a loose leash teach the dog to walk on a loose leash teach the dog to walk on a loose leash to do some manner of station Behavior to to do some manner of station Behavior to to do some manner of station Behavior to be able to walk with you in connection be able to walk with you in connection be able to walk with you in connection from the gate to the first jump off from the gate to the first jump off from the gate to the first jump off leash and then not rely on your leash at leash and then not rely on your leash at leash and then not rely on your leash at the end because we all know the leash the end because we all know the leash the end because we all know the leash Runner might not bring it in time you Runner might not bring it in time you Runner might not bring it in time you might not know where it is I was at a might not know where it is I was at a might not know where it is I was at a recent trial where it was like there was recent trial where it was like there was recent trial where it was like there was a cute little decorative basket hanging a cute little decorative basket hanging a cute little decorative basket hanging up with the leash in it and I was like up with the leash in it and I was like up with the leash in it and I was like where is it f first run first run the weekend I it f first run first run the weekend I was like oh it's in this cute basket was like oh it's in this cute basket was like oh it's in this cute basket okay um had no idea but then I knew the okay um had no idea but then I knew the okay um had no idea but then I knew the rest of the trial right so like not rest of the trial right so like not rest of the trial right so like not relying on it at the end not and you relying on it at the end not and you relying on it at the end not and you know if you teach all of those know if you teach all of those know if you teach all of those things upfront you'll have significantly

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things upfront you'll have significantly things upfront you'll have significantly fewer of the really really common fewer of the really really common fewer of the really really common problems yeah and so that's why I would problems yeah and so that's why I would problems yeah and so that's why I would love all the I you know essential is a love all the I you know essential is a love all the I you know essential is a tough word because there's plenty of tough word because there's plenty of tough word because there's plenty of people getting away with none of those people getting away with none of those people getting away with none of those things and still doing well so I can't I things and still doing well so I can't I things and still doing well so I can't I don't think we have we can call them don't think we have we can call them don't think we have we can call them essential but if you come to me with any essential but if you come to me with any essential but if you come to me with any problems we're going to be talking about problems we're going to be talking about problems we're going to be talking about this stuff yeah yeah yeah definitely this stuff yeah yeah yeah definitely this stuff yeah yeah yeah definitely definitely and like with in terms of definitely and like with in terms of definitely and like with in terms of like when you're working with dogs with like when you're working with dogs with like when you're working with dogs with overarousal and dogs that won't take overarousal and dogs that won't take overarousal and dogs that won't take food like do you just get them to stop food like do you just get them to stop food like do you just get them to stop competing whilst you're dealing with competing whilst you're dealing with competing whilst you're dealing with those kinds of issues because a lot of those kinds of issues because a lot of those kinds of issues because a lot of people you tell them that they need to people you tell them that they need to people you tell them that they need to like not do shows and things and they like not do shows and things and they like not do shows and things and they look at you like so the phrase I use is if you're like so the phrase I use is if you're drowning the first thing you have to do drowning the first thing you have to do drowning the first thing you have to do is get out of the is get out of the is get out of the pool yeah yeah so it's a conversation we pool yeah yeah so it's a conversation we pool yeah yeah so it's a conversation we have before we engage in the coaching have before we engage in the coaching

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have before we engage in the coaching process okay I say based on the problems process okay I say based on the problems process okay I say based on the problems you have I think that you need to take a you have I think that you need to take a you have I think that you need to take a break from trialing and you might even break from trialing and you might even break from trialing and you might even need to take a break from training class need to take a break from training class need to take a break from training class is that something you can do yeah yeah is that something you can do yeah yeah is that something you can do yeah yeah if the answer is no the answer is no and if the answer is no the answer is no and if the answer is no the answer is no and I'm just not the professional for you I'm just not the professional for you I'm just not the professional for you like it's fine but we're going to have like it's fine but we're going to have like it's fine but we're going to have that conversation up top um if the dog that conversation up top um if the dog that conversation up top um if the dog cannot eat anywhere near cannot eat anywhere near cannot eat anywhere near agility yeah we got to we have to build agility yeah we got to we have to build agility yeah we got to we have to build we have to fix that triangle away from we have to fix that triangle away from we have to fix that triangle away from agility and then start to ask the dog if agility and then start to ask the dog if agility and then start to ask the dog if it for the triangle skills yeah closer it for the triangle skills yeah closer it for the triangle skills yeah closer and closer to agility yeah um it all and closer to agility yeah um it all and closer to agility yeah um it all depends on how broken the problem is if depends on how broken the problem is if depends on how broken the problem is if uh another phrase that I really like is uh another phrase that I really like is uh another phrase that I really like is you can't walk into the mile you can't you can't walk into the mile you can't you can't walk into the mile you can't walk into the woods for 10 miles and get walk into the woods for 10 miles and get walk into the woods for 10 miles and get out in out in out in five five five so you don't get to expect to get out in so you don't get to expect to get out in so you don't get to expect to get out in five if you walked in for 10 so if I get five if you walked in for 10 so if I get five if you walked in for 10 so if I get an email and the dog is six and a half an email and the dog is six and a half

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an email and the dog is six and a half years old and it's been competing since years old and it's been competing since years old and it's been competing since it was two and yes this has always been it was two and yes this has always been it was two and yes this has always been a a a problem we have our work cut out it's problem we have our work cut out it's problem we have our work cut out it's going to be you definitely have to take going to be you definitely have to take going to be you definitely have to take a break from the environment that in a break from the environment that in a break from the environment that in which you're having the problems and I which you're having the problems and I which you're having the problems and I generally do not see dogs who generally do not see dogs who generally do not see dogs who have what who have a true problem with have what who have a true problem with have what who have a true problem with being too highly being too highly being too highly aroused I just don't really see that aroused I just don't really see that aroused I just don't really see that what I see is dogs who what I see is dogs who what I see is dogs who have builtin problematic have builtin problematic have builtin problematic behaviors and the way that I talk about behaviors and the way that I talk about behaviors and the way that I talk about arousal now is different from the way arousal now is different from the way arousal now is different from the way that I talked about it when I first uh that I talked about it when I first uh that I talked about it when I first uh went all over the world teaching worked went all over the world teaching worked went all over the world teaching worked up and I'm talking a lot more now about up and I'm talking a lot more now about up and I'm talking a lot more now about arousal and its relationship to arousal and its relationship to arousal and its relationship to emotional veilance which is kind of the emotional veilance which is kind of the emotional veilance which is kind of the extent to which an emotion is positive extent to which an emotion is positive extent to which an emotion is positive or negative for the one experiencing or negative for the one experiencing or negative for the one experiencing it there are definitely people whose it there are definitely people whose it there are definitely people whose dogs are fine they are highly aroused dogs are fine they are highly aroused dogs are fine they are highly aroused but they're still happy about it and but they're still happy about it and

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but they're still happy about it and they're perfectly fine but the people they're perfectly fine but the people they're perfectly fine but the people are are are uncomfortable so that exists usually all uncomfortable so that exists usually all uncomfortable so that exists usually all those dogs need is skills to help this those dogs need is skills to help this those dogs need is skills to help this person be comfortable yeah um but person be comfortable yeah um but person be comfortable yeah um but honestly too often what the person needs honestly too often what the person needs honestly too often what the person needs is better skills not the is better skills not the is better skills not the dog uncomfortable because they bought a dog uncomfortable because they bought a dog uncomfortable because they bought a Ferrari and don't know how to drive it Ferrari and don't know how to drive it Ferrari and don't know how to drive it 100% yeah that's when that's when I send 100% yeah that's when that's when I send 100% yeah that's when that's when I send them to my training partner Megan Foster them to my training partner Megan Foster them to my training partner Megan Foster to go learn how to drive it um instead to go learn how to drive it um instead to go learn how to drive it um instead of me I'll literally I got three emails of me I'll literally I got three emails of me I'll literally I got three emails in the last week that I sent all to in the last week that I sent all to in the last week that I sent all to Megan because they're not actually Megan because they're not actually Megan because they're not actually clients for me they're clients for her clients for me they're clients for her clients for me they're clients for her and they all believed they had and they all believed they had and they all believed they had overarousal problems every single one of overarousal problems every single one of overarousal problems every single one of them and I looked at the videos and I them and I looked at the videos and I them and I looked at the videos and I was was like no you don't you just don't was was like no you don't you just don't was was like no you don't you just don't know how to drive this thing go learn know how to drive this thing go learn know how to drive this thing go learn how to drive it um true how to drive it um true how to drive it um true and and there are dogs though who have a and and there are dogs though who have a and and there are dogs though who have a consistent kind of conditioned response consistent kind of conditioned response

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consistent kind of conditioned response to the agility situation because the to the agility situation because the to the agility situation because the training and the handling has been poor training and the handling has been poor training and the handling has been poor up until this point and it's kind of up until this point and it's kind of up until this point and it's kind of like I have one friend who I will not like I have one friend who I will not like I have one friend who I will not allow to navigate me in the allow to navigate me in the allow to navigate me in the car like if I'm we're going somewhere car like if I'm we're going somewhere car like if I'm we're going somewhere I'm navigating myself I just don't even I'm navigating myself I just don't even I'm navigating myself I just don't even ask her to do it because she will just ask her to do it because she will just ask her to do it because she will just do it poorly like we will miss three do it poorly like we will miss three do it poorly like we will miss three turns she doesn't care like we'll miss turns she doesn't care like we'll miss turns she doesn't care like we'll miss turns we'll whatever like I will be turns we'll whatever like I will be turns we'll whatever like I will be angry it will be a bad angry it will be a bad angry it will be a bad situation that's the situation a lot of situation that's the situation a lot of situation that's the situation a lot of people are in with their agility dog people are in with their agility dog people are in with their agility dog they do not trust you as a reliable they do not trust you as a reliable they do not trust you as a reliable Navigator yeah and you also might be Navigator yeah and you also might be Navigator yeah and you also might be kind of mean to them about skills that kind of mean to them about skills that kind of mean to them about skills that they don't actually have that you didn't they don't actually have that you didn't they don't actually have that you didn't teach them well enough teach them well enough teach them well enough and now you got a problem yeah and and now you got a problem yeah and and now you got a problem yeah and neither of you are having a good time neither of you are having a good time neither of you are having a good time anymore and just because the dog is fast anymore and just because the dog is fast anymore and just because the dog is fast does not mean it's having a good time does not mean it's having a good time does not mean it's having a good time and I would like that to be something and I would like that to be something

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and I would like that to be something that we start to accept a little bit that we start to accept a little bit that we start to accept a little bit more that that's not a measure of Joy more that that's not a measure of Joy more that that's not a measure of Joy speed is not a measure of Joy just yeah speed is not a measure of Joy just yeah speed is not a measure of Joy just yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely so I'm not actually sure if I absolutely so I'm not actually sure if I absolutely so I'm not actually sure if I answered your question at all answered your question at all answered your question at all but I did something I talked about but I did something I talked about but I did something I talked about something definitely because I think something definitely because I think something definitely because I think overarousal is such like well Rous is overarousal is such like well Rous is overarousal is such like well Rous is such an umbrella term for like you know such an umbrella term for like you know such an umbrella term for like you know it's just lots of different behaviors it's just lots of different behaviors it's just lots of different behaviors are like just lumped into that kind of are like just lumped into that kind of are like just lumped into that kind of category and yeah like you say people category and yeah like you say people category and yeah like you say people don't realize and yeah I see so many don't realize and yeah I see so many don't realize and yeah I see so many people with Ferraris but they should be people with Ferraris but they should be people with Ferraris but they should be driving a toyot a Toyota or something driving a toyot a Toyota or something driving a toyot a Toyota or something like that you know they should be having like that you know they should be having like that you know they should be having actually having something much steadier actually having something much steadier actually having something much steadier because yeah it's um yeah it's so true because yeah it's um yeah it's so true because yeah it's um yeah it's so true right and telling them that isn't right and telling them that isn't right and telling them that isn't helpful because yeah they they have helpful because yeah they they have helpful because yeah they they have so it's more it's teach them it's you're so it's more it's teach them it's you're so it's more it's teach them it's you're not going to make the Ferrari less yeah not going to make the Ferrari less yeah not going to make the Ferrari less yeah so you need to your skills need to be so you need to your skills need to be

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so you need to your skills need to be better but also the Ferrari's got to be better but also the Ferrari's got to be better but also the Ferrari's got to be in tiptop shape it's got to respond it's in tiptop shape it's got to respond it's in tiptop shape it's got to respond it's got to be trained like it's it has to be got to be trained like it's it has to be got to be trained like it's it has to be it has to be good so for me it's all it has to be good so for me it's all it has to be good so for me it's all about skills on both ends like that's about skills on both ends like that's about skills on both ends like that's what that's what I'm about now when what that's what I'm about now when what that's what I'm about now when people come to me with a quote unquote people come to me with a quote unquote people come to me with a quote unquote over arousal problem it's just basically over arousal problem it's just basically over arousal problem it's just basically never the case that that's what's going never the case that that's what's going never the case that that's what's going on it is a lack of skills in either side on it is a lack of skills in either side on it is a lack of skills in either side and it can be that the dog is a lot of and it can be that the dog is a lot of and it can be that the dog is a lot of dog and so yes they go from zero to 60 dog and so yes they go from zero to 60 dog and so yes they go from zero to 60 and because news flash we've said it a and because news flash we've said it a and because news flash we've said it a million times in this podcast we bought million times in this podcast we bought million times in this podcast we bought them on purpose we breed them and buy them on purpose we breed them and buy them on purpose we breed them and buy them on purpose that way so it is our them on purpose that way so it is our them on purpose that way so it is our responsibility then yeah to teach them responsibility then yeah to teach them responsibility then yeah to teach them the skills they need and also to make the skills they need and also to make the skills they need and also to make sure that we have the skills that we sure that we have the skills that we sure that we have the skills that we need and so those problems get solved need and so those problems get solved need and so those problems get solved that way they can be really really big that way they can be really really big that way they can be really really big problems that again people have walked problems that again people have walked

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problems that again people have walked 10 miles in if for five years this dog 10 miles in if for five years this dog 10 miles in if for five years this dog has been bailing off contacts to yell at has been bailing off contacts to yell at has been bailing off contacts to yell at you biting you at the end of The Run you biting you at the end of The Run you biting you at the end of The Run yeah you know if they've been doing it yeah you know if they've been doing it yeah you know if they've been doing it for five years like now you have an for five years like now you have an for five years like now you have an ingrained problem that will need to be ingrained problem that will need to be ingrained problem that will need to be deliberately picked out and deliberately picked out and deliberately picked out and fixed so that's just a hint for fixed so that's just a hint for fixed so that's just a hint for everybody that if your young dog is everybody that if your young dog is everybody that if your young dog is showing that stuff it's not baby dog showing that stuff it's not baby dog showing that stuff it's not baby dog behaviors that's not enough training go behaviors that's not enough training go behaviors that's not enough training go back and go back to training get out of back and go back to training get out of back and go back to training get out of the pool yeah you shouldn't be seeing the pool yeah you shouldn't be seeing the pool yeah you shouldn't be seeing any of that stuff any of that stuff any of that stuff yeah yeah yeah and I mean work on it as yeah yeah yeah and I mean work on it as yeah yeah yeah and I mean work on it as soon as you can don't wait for it to be soon as you can don't wait for it to be soon as you can don't wait for it to be guys please well yeah and I didn't just guys please well yeah and I didn't just guys please well yeah and I didn't just say give up right I just said it's GNA say give up right I just said it's GNA say give up right I just said it's GNA be yeah it's going to be a thing and you be yeah it's going to be a thing and you be yeah it's going to be a thing and you gotta got to work on it you have to get gotta got to work on it you have to get gotta got to work on it you have to get appropriate help I'm not the only person appropriate help I'm not the only person appropriate help I'm not the only person to help you lots of people are doing to help you lots of people are doing to help you lots of people are doing this stuff now and it this stuff now and it this stuff now and it is it is possible for the dogs who is it is possible for the dogs who

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is it is possible for the dogs who really really like agility it's a lot is really really like agility it's a lot is really really like agility it's a lot is possible yeah for the dogs that don't possible yeah for the dogs that don't possible yeah for the dogs that don't like it that much less is possible as like it that much less is possible as like it that much less is possible as far as changing some of these behaviors far as changing some of these behaviors far as changing some of these behaviors but the dogs that are dragging you into but the dogs that are dragging you into but the dogs that are dragging you into the ring desperate yeah we can do a lot the ring desperate yeah we can do a lot the ring desperate yeah we can do a lot because we can approach it from a because we can approach it from a because we can approach it from a behavioral Wellness standpoint first a behavioral Wellness standpoint first a behavioral Wellness standpoint first a skills standpoint second and then once skills standpoint second and then once skills standpoint second and then once the dog has the skills you can say to the dog has the skills you can say to the dog has the skills you can say to them also the skills are a requirement them also the skills are a requirement them also the skills are a requirement for you to for you to for you to play yeah you don't get to do that play yeah you don't get to do that play yeah you don't get to do that unless you also have the skills yeah unless you also have the skills yeah unless you also have the skills yeah right because if it was your poor right because if it was your poor right because if it was your poor handling that caused the bars and then handling that caused the bars and then handling that caused the bars and then you think it was the dog's arousal that you think it was the dog's arousal that you think it was the dog's arousal that caused the bars we got a problem yeah caused the bars we got a problem yeah caused the bars we got a problem yeah yeah I definitely agree yeah yeah oh my yeah I definitely agree yeah yeah oh my yeah I definitely agree yeah yeah oh my goodness why am I thinking of so many goodness why am I thinking of so many goodness why am I thinking of so many dogs as talking dogs as talking dogs as talking anyway okay and then there's also the anyway okay and then there's also the anyway okay and then there's also the thing of ending on a good note and thing of ending on a good note and thing of ending on a good note and especially in agility you know like if especially in agility you know like if

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especially in agility you know like if you're doing training and the dog is you're doing training and the dog is you're doing training and the dog is maybe like struggling a little bit maybe like struggling a little bit maybe like struggling a little bit there's that thing of like I have to end there's that thing of like I have to end there's that thing of like I have to end on a good note right what do you think on a good note right what do you think on a good note right what do you think about about about that well there's there's a little bit that well there's there's a little bit that well there's there's a little bit of research on this um telling us that of research on this um telling us that of research on this um telling us that it's irrelevant for future learning if it's irrelevant for future learning if it's irrelevant for future learning if you end on a good note so there's you end on a good note so there's you end on a good note so there's that and then also for me your training that and then also for me your training that and then also for me your training should be planned to such a level that should be planned to such a level that should be planned to such a level that you actually know when you're going to you actually know when you're going to you actually know when you're going to stop and stop and stop and you are going to stop either then either you are going to stop either then either you are going to stop either then either when you plan to stop which is maybe a when you plan to stop which is maybe a when you plan to stop which is maybe a timer went off or maybe you've done a timer went off or maybe you've done a timer went off or maybe you've done a certain number of certain number of certain number of reps or you stop because the wheels are reps or you stop because the wheels are reps or you stop because the wheels are falling off and it's being it's falling off and it's being it's falling off and it's being it's derailing right if the session is derailing right if the session is derailing right if the session is derailing and you continue to try to to derailing and you continue to try to to derailing and you continue to try to to do the thing in order to get that one do the thing in order to get that one do the thing in order to get that one success you are making what could have success you are making what could have success you are making what could have just been a hole you are making it a just been a hole you are making it a just been a hole you are making it a grave stop yeah so like I mentioned grave stop yeah so like I mentioned

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grave stop yeah so like I mentioned Carson's weave polls that we didn't have Carson's weave polls that we didn't have Carson's weave polls that we didn't have a great session yesterday I just stopped a great session yesterday I just stopped a great session yesterday I just stopped yeah yeah we weren't out there for near yeah yeah we weren't out there for near yeah yeah we weren't out there for near as long as I wanted to be out there we as long as I wanted to be out there we as long as I wanted to be out there we like I was going to go for about a six like I was going to go for about a six like I was going to go for about a six minute session that usually feels about minute session that usually feels about minute session that usually feels about right for her for this right for her for this right for her for this task and we were not there yet but was task and we were not there yet but was task and we were not there yet but was just going poorly and so I just going poorly and so I just going poorly and so I stopped and if I'm very attached stopped and if I'm very attached stopped and if I'm very attached emotionally to ending on a good note emotionally to ending on a good note emotionally to ending on a good note then I could have gone and done then I could have gone and done then I could have gone and done something else and rewarded her but like something else and rewarded her but like something else and rewarded her but like she doesn't know I went all right all she doesn't know I went all right all she doesn't know I went all right all done scatter which is like how I always done scatter which is like how I always done scatter which is like how I always end anything she doesn't know why does end anything she doesn't know why does end anything she doesn't know why does she like it's for us it's an emotional she like it's for us it's an emotional she like it's for us it's an emotional thing for us so but also your feelings thing for us so but also your feelings thing for us so but also your feelings matter and I went I've paid a lot of matter and I went I've paid a lot of matter and I went I've paid a lot of money in therapy to learn that so they money in therapy to learn that so they money in therapy to learn that so they do matter so if it feels good to you to do matter so if it feels good to you to do matter so if it feels good to you to end on a good note then go do something end on a good note then go do something end on a good note then go do something you know you can be successful with to you know you can be successful with to

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you know you can be successful with to end on but it doesn't have anything to end on but it doesn't have anything to end on but it doesn't have anything to do with your future learning or anything do with your future learning or anything do with your future learning or anything like that yeah um so it is really just like that yeah um so it is really just like that yeah um so it is really just all about your feelings which do matter all about your feelings which do matter all about your feelings which do matter so you can honor them but don't honor so you can honor them but don't honor so you can honor them but don't honor them by digging a grave to get that them by digging a grave to get that them by digging a grave to get that final good response yeah yeah no final good response yeah yeah no final good response yeah yeah no definitely I think some people as well definitely I think some people as well definitely I think some people as well they still like because they enjoy the they still like because they enjoy the they still like because they enjoy the training so much and like it's um you training so much and like it's um you training so much and like it's um you know they they go out there and they do know they they go out there and they do know they they go out there and they do way longer than what the dog can way longer than what the dog can way longer than what the dog can actually kind of cope with and it's I actually kind of cope with and it's I actually kind of cope with and it's I even had a little bit like that with even had a little bit like that with even had a little bit like that with samber my collie [ __ ] like she she samber my collie [ __ ] like she she samber my collie [ __ ] like she she works for way less time than say Spirit works for way less time than say Spirit works for way less time than say Spirit my other collie or my Shelty could just my other collie or my Shelty could just my other collie or my Shelty could just pretty much if he had the choice he pretty much if he had the choice he pretty much if he had the choice he would just work and work and he's never would just work and work and he's never would just work and work and he's never he's disappointed every day because he's he's disappointed every day because he's he's disappointed every day because he's like just wants to like work like all like just wants to like work like all like just wants to like work like all the time you know he's like devastated the time you know he's like devastated the time you know he's like devastated when I end things and stuff whereas when I end things and stuff whereas

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when I end things and stuff whereas samb's like okay two minutes three samb's like okay two minutes three samb's like okay two minutes three minutes okay cool then we're done right minutes okay cool then we're done right minutes okay cool then we're done right she's like you know so it's like she's like you know so it's like she's like you know so it's like adjusting your expectation as well to adjusting your expectation as well to adjusting your expectation as well to like the dog in front of you and just um like the dog in front of you and just um like the dog in front of you and just um you know doing what they can well that's you know doing what they can well that's you know doing what they can well that's that's where that planning comes in that's where that planning comes in that's where that planning comes in again again again because it is not good of us to exploit because it is not good of us to exploit because it is not good of us to exploit those dogs who will work all day yeah those dogs who will work all day yeah those dogs who will work all day yeah it's not good for their bodies and also it's not good for their bodies and also it's not good for their bodies and also it's just it's not good for your it's just it's not good for your it's just it's not good for your training ultimately but it's really not training ultimately but it's really not training ultimately but it's really not good for their bodies good for their bodies good for their bodies so really important to know okay these so really important to know okay these so really important to know okay these are the four different dog walk pictures are the four different dog walk pictures are the four different dog walk pictures I'd like to show this dog I'd like to show this dog I'd like to show this dog today um if she gets all four right the today um if she gets all four right the today um if she gets all four right the first time then I have a second project first time then I have a second project first time then I have a second project that we can that we can that we can do if she struggles with the first do if she struggles with the first do if she struggles with the first picture I show picture I show picture I show her then I also need to know you know her then I also need to know you know her then I also need to know you know when am I stopping on that when am I stopping on that when am I stopping on that too like what what is my response if she too like what what is my response if she too like what what is my response if she struggles so if I've done that planning struggles so if I've done that planning

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struggles so if I've done that planning piece up front yeah I'm not going to piece up front yeah I'm not going to piece up front yeah I'm not going to overtrain this dog yeah and I have dogs overtrain this dog yeah and I have dogs overtrain this dog yeah and I have dogs that would be overtrained I and I have a that would be overtrained I and I have a that would be overtrained I and I have a dog that won't like Rhea will not but dog that won't like Rhea will not but dog that won't like Rhea will not but any of my border colleagues would train any of my border colleagues would train any of my border colleagues would train all day all day all day long and long and long and so I just can't emphasize enough knowing so I just can't emphasize enough knowing so I just can't emphasize enough knowing what you're doing when you go out there what you're doing when you go out there what you're doing when you go out there is really important yeah yeah definitely is really important yeah yeah definitely is really important yeah yeah definitely definitely and so jackpots I'd like to definitely and so jackpots I'd like to definitely and so jackpots I'd like to ask you about them as well so like the ask you about them as well so like the ask you about them as well so like the word jackpot is used a lot in a agility word jackpot is used a lot in a agility word jackpot is used a lot in a agility especially with things like running dog especially with things like running dog especially with things like running dog walks and things um but from like a walks and things um but from like a walks and things um but from like a scientific point of view so I've also scientific point of view so I've also scientific point of view so I've also been to clicker Expo and I've done like been to clicker Expo and I've done like been to clicker Expo and I've done like Susan Freeman's course and everything Susan Freeman's course and everything Susan Freeman's course and everything you know and he hates the word jackpots you know and he hates the word jackpots you know and he hates the word jackpots you you you know I remember once like someone asked know I remember once like someone asked know I remember once like someone asked them on stage it was Kathy sedo Ken them on stage it was Kathy sedo Ken them on stage it was Kathy sedo Ken Ramirez um Susan and someone asked about Ramirez um Susan and someone asked about Ramirez um Susan and someone asked about jackpots and they all just groaned and jackpots and they all just groaned and jackpots and they all just groaned and like like they all just own oh I love

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like like they all just own oh I love like like they all just own oh I love them I love all three of those people them I love all three of those people them I love all three of those people very much um very much um very much um okay again your feelings matter yeah okay again your feelings matter yeah okay again your feelings matter yeah jackpots are about people's jackpots are about people's jackpots are about people's feelings it does not progress your feelings it does not progress your feelings it does not progress your training yeah training yeah training yeah um I will sometimes use a differential um I will sometimes use a differential um I will sometimes use a differential reinforcement procedure in which the dog reinforcement procedure in which the dog reinforcement procedure in which the dog is getting paid more for one outcome is getting paid more for one outcome is getting paid more for one outcome than the other but what we mean when we than the other but what we mean when we than the other but what we mean when we say jackpot say jackpot say jackpot is a big emotional response from the is a big emotional response from the is a big emotional response from the person and then more of the same person and then more of the same person and then more of the same reinforcer typically yeah so it's like I reinforcer typically yeah so it's like I reinforcer typically yeah so it's like I give you 500 pieces of food instead of give you 500 pieces of food instead of give you 500 pieces of food instead of one and I'm screaming and I'm freaking one and I'm screaming and I'm freaking one and I'm screaming and I'm freaking out so there's a few different like out so there's a few different like out so there's a few different like there's the science and then there's there's the science and then there's there's the science and then there's what agility people are actually doing what agility people are actually doing what agility people are actually doing yeah yeah what agility people are yeah yeah what agility people are yeah yeah what agility people are actually doing is they're trying to end actually doing is they're trying to end actually doing is they're trying to end on a good note and they're sending and on a good note and they're sending and on a good note and they're sending and they're sending and they're sending the they're sending and they're sending the they're sending and they're sending the dog's getting it wrong getting it wrong dog's getting it wrong getting it wrong dog's getting it wrong getting it wrong getting it wrong getting it finally gets getting it wrong getting it finally gets

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getting it wrong getting it finally gets it right and then the person jackpots and that is simply poor jackpots and that is simply poor training it's just not good yeah but you training it's just not good yeah but you training it's just not good yeah but you feel good about it the dog is feel good about it the dog is feel good about it the dog is experiencing relief because you're not experiencing relief because you're not experiencing relief because you're not asking them to fail again so they might asking them to fail again so they might asking them to fail again so they might even be working on that contingency and even be working on that contingency and even be working on that contingency and not actually trying to get the jackpot not actually trying to get the jackpot not actually trying to get the jackpot there's a little bit of I don't think there's a little bit of I don't think there's a little bit of I don't think any of the studies that I've read were any of the studies that I've read were any of the studies that I've read were done to a level that I think they're done to a level that I think they're done to a level that I think they're examining what we want examined to be examining what we want examined to be examining what we want examined to be generally to be honest um but one of the generally to be honest um but one of the generally to be honest um but one of the findings that has been found um and I'm findings that has been found um and I'm findings that has been found um and I'm just rattling all this off without just rattling all this off without just rattling all this off without citations so sorry everybody um one of citations so sorry everybody um one of citations so sorry everybody um one of the things that has been found is the things that has been found is the things that has been found is that a that a that a surprise can be quite effective as a surprise can be quite effective as a surprise can be quite effective as a reinforcer reinforcer reinforcer um but that means that that surprise was um but that means that that surprise was um but that means that that surprise was like really attached to that event but like really attached to that event but like really attached to that event but here's a surprise also really works as here's a surprise also really works as here's a surprise also really works as an inhibit inhibitor as well so like an inhibit inhibitor as well so like an inhibit inhibitor as well so like um we don't need to talk about um we don't need to talk about um we don't need to talk about punishment just know that it works the punishment just know that it works the

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punishment just know that it works the other way too other way too other way too so the problem is that's never going to so the problem is that's never going to so the problem is that's never going to happen in your dog your agility training happen in your dog your agility training happen in your dog your agility training scenario because they're here and scenario because they're here and scenario because they're here and they're working for reinforcers and they they're working for reinforcers and they they're working for reinforcers and they know what's on the table and they know know what's on the table and they know know what's on the table and they know what's at play and like you've already what's at play and like you've already what's at play and like you've already been paying them for a bunch of been paying them for a bunch of been paying them for a bunch of different things like nothing is enough different things like nothing is enough different things like nothing is enough of a surprise really pack that kind of of a surprise really pack that kind of of a surprise really pack that kind of punch punch punch versus if versus I lean on what some versus if versus I lean on what some versus if versus I lean on what some people would call a jackpot which I'm people would call a jackpot which I'm people would call a jackpot which I'm just going to call hierarchical just going to call hierarchical just going to call hierarchical reinforcement in my recall reinforcement in my recall reinforcement in my recall training so when Carson recalled off the training so when Carson recalled off the training so when Carson recalled off the bear the other day I went into my bear the other day I went into my bear the other day I went into my freezer and pulled out I just do this freezer and pulled out I just do this freezer and pulled out I just do this whenever I don't finish eating something whenever I don't finish eating something whenever I don't finish eating something that I think dogs will like I stick it that I think dogs will like I stick it that I think dogs will like I stick it in the freezer and then I have these big in the freezer and then I have these big in the freezer and then I have these big deal rewards in there and I had like deal rewards in there and I had like deal rewards in there and I had like part of a part of a part of a cheeseburger how cool um just like the cheeseburger how cool um just like the cheeseburger how cool um just like the meat and the cheese like shoved in there meat and the cheese like shoved in there

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meat and the cheese like shoved in there and she recalled off of the bear and so and she recalled off of the bear and so and she recalled off of the bear and so I went in and I fed her a cheeseburger I went in and I fed her a cheeseburger I went in and I fed her a cheeseburger and she's never had that before so I'm and she's never had that before so I'm and she's never had that before so I'm trying to bank on that surprise Factor trying to bank on that surprise Factor trying to bank on that surprise Factor there for her that's not what we're there for her that's not what we're there for her that's not what we're doing in agility yeah we're screaming doing in agility yeah we're screaming doing in agility yeah we're screaming and running around we're like screaming and running around we're like screaming and running around we're like screaming and throwing toys and whatever and it's and throwing toys and whatever and it's and throwing toys and whatever and it's just all about your feeling feelings and just all about your feeling feelings and just all about your feeling feelings and your emotions and I would actually argue your emotions and I would actually argue your emotions and I would actually argue that for plenty of the dogs that I work that for plenty of the dogs that I work that for plenty of the dogs that I work with they don't like that stuff they with they don't like that stuff they with they don't like that stuff they would like you to just stay serious and would like you to just stay serious and would like you to just stay serious and then I think that the final kind of note then I think that the final kind of note then I think that the final kind of note that I will leave you like I'll leave that I will leave you like I'll leave that I will leave you like I'll leave you on jackpots with is that basically you on jackpots with is that basically you on jackpots with is that basically if you've if you've if you've got 50 treats to use in a got 50 treats to use in a got 50 treats to use in a session it is going to be better for you session it is going to be better for you session it is going to be better for you to pay the dog 50 times for repetitions to pay the dog 50 times for repetitions to pay the dog 50 times for repetitions of the behavior then it is for you to of the behavior then it is for you to of the behavior then it is for you to use half of that as a jackpot yeah for use half of that as a jackpot yeah for use half of that as a jackpot yeah for the perfect response yeah but the perfect response yeah but the perfect response yeah but hierarchical reinforcement is kind of

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hierarchical reinforcement is kind of hierarchical reinforcement is kind of another thing and we could qualify it as another thing and we could qualify it as another thing and we could qualify it as a jackpot like if I recall her off a a jackpot like if I recall her off a a jackpot like if I recall her off a bear and I give her a cheeseburger some bear and I give her a cheeseburger some bear and I give her a cheeseburger some people are going to call that a jackpot people are going to call that a jackpot people are going to call that a jackpot I also am averse to the term so I I also am averse to the term so I I also am averse to the term so I wouldn't call it that but the reason I'm wouldn't call it that but the reason I'm wouldn't call it that but the reason I'm averse to it is because of the whooping averse to it is because of the whooping averse to it is because of the whooping and hollering and throwing 500 yeah to and hollering and throwing 500 yeah to and hollering and throwing 500 yeah to or whatever the the party that tends to or whatever the the party that tends to or whatever the the party that tends to be what agility people mean when they be what agility people mean when they be what agility people mean when they say jackpot is why I'm averse to it say jackpot is why I'm averse to it say jackpot is why I'm averse to it because I think it's wasting time it's because I think it's wasting time it's because I think it's wasting time it's putting emotion into the session that putting emotion into the session that putting emotion into the session that doesn't need to be in the session um but doesn't need to be in the session um but doesn't need to be in the session um but again your feelings matter so if you again your feelings matter so if you again your feelings matter so if you really like it and it doesn't seem to be really like it and it doesn't seem to be really like it and it doesn't seem to be causing a problem for you how about it causing a problem for you how about it causing a problem for you how about it yeah yeah and I remember as well like yeah yeah and I remember as well like yeah yeah and I remember as well like when I was told to use jackpots again when I was told to use jackpots again when I was told to use jackpots again many 12 13 14 years ago when I was doing many 12 13 14 years ago when I was doing many 12 13 14 years ago when I was doing like training running dog walks for like training running dog walks for like training running dog walks for example I would always find if I example I would always find if I

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example I would always find if I jackpotted my dog she would then get it jackpotted my dog she would then get it jackpotted my dog she would then get it wrong the next time round like it never wrong the next time round like it never wrong the next time round like it never actually kind of improved her behavior actually kind of improved her behavior actually kind of improved her behavior as such yeah because it disrupts the as such yeah because it disrupts the as such yeah because it disrupts the session as well yeah it's disruptive session as well yeah it's disruptive session as well yeah it's disruptive yeah yeah it is I think it got super yeah yeah it is I think it got super yeah yeah it is I think it got super popularized um with Sylvia turman's popularized um with Sylvia turman's popularized um with Sylvia turman's running dog walk it's it is a jackpot running dog walk it's it is a jackpot running dog walk it's it is a jackpot based based based methodology um a hierarchical methodology um a hierarchical methodology um a hierarchical reinforcement procedure could work in reinforcement procedure could work in reinforcement procedure could work in that which is really what she was doing that which is really what she was doing that which is really what she was doing at least with one of the dogs I remember at least with one of the dogs I remember at least with one of the dogs I remember would get to go take the ball into the would get to go take the ball into the would get to go take the ball into the pool as the big payoff and then would pool as the big payoff and then would pool as the big payoff and then would just get the ball the other times and just get the ball the other times and just get the ball the other times and then of course you have like a no reward then of course you have like a no reward then of course you have like a no reward response too and what's going to work response too and what's going to work response too and what's going to work best is that the dog is getting it right best is that the dog is getting it right best is that the dog is getting it right every every every time and then for those super super time and then for those super super time and then for those super super right responses you give them that big right responses you give them that big right responses you give them that big reinforcer reinforcer reinforcer that's just going to make you feel good that's just going to make you feel good that's just going to make you feel good though they're not going to get it super though they're not going to get it super though they're not going to get it super right more

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right more right more often with that occasional big payout often with that occasional big payout often with that occasional big payout they're just practicing being right yeah they're just practicing being right yeah they're just practicing being right yeah I think that's why um sylv's method was I think that's why um sylv's method was I think that's why um sylv's method was working for her so well for so long the working for her so well for so long the working for her so well for so long the dogs were just practicing doing it right dogs were just practicing doing it right dogs were just practicing doing it right period yeah yeah yeah yeah I definitely period yeah yeah yeah yeah I definitely period yeah yeah yeah yeah I definitely found that with mine definitely again found that with mine definitely again found that with mine definitely again last question and it's always my last question and it's always my last question and it's always my favorite question is and then it can be favorite question is and then it can be favorite question is and then it can be very difficult but if you had to pick very difficult but if you had to pick very difficult but if you had to pick three things or you know just just three three things or you know just just three three things or you know just just three things that people can do to make their things that people can do to make their things that people can do to make their dogs happy what would that dogs happy what would that dogs happy what would that be oh I well we'd have to operationalize be oh I well we'd have to operationalize be oh I well we'd have to operationalize happiness which I'm not sure I can do happiness which I'm not sure I can do happiness which I'm not sure I can do but but but um three three three things to make um three three three things to make um three three three things to make their lives better um one would be their lives better um one would be their lives better um one would be awfully shim in nature would make their awfully shim in nature would make their awfully shim in nature would make their lives lives lives better um one would better um one would better um one would be more communication be more communication be more communication around those Choice versus no choice around those Choice versus no choice around those Choice versus no choice situations quit giving them choices when situations quit giving them choices when situations quit giving them choices when they're not likely to make the right one they're not likely to make the right one they're not likely to make the right one and give them as many choices you can as

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and give them as many choices you can as and give them as many choices you can as you can you can you can otherwise um and then let's see the otherwise um and then let's see the otherwise um and then let's see the third one would probably third one would probably third one would probably be to be to be to just when they are doing just when they are doing just when they are doing something that you maybe don't something that you maybe don't something that you maybe don't understand or maybe don't want them to understand or maybe don't want them to understand or maybe don't want them to be doing get curious about it instead of be doing get curious about it instead of be doing get curious about it instead of your other emotions that you might be your other emotions that you might be your other emotions that you might be having If You observe that the dog is having If You observe that the dog is having If You observe that the dog is doing something maybe in an agility doing something maybe in an agility doing something maybe in an agility context that you don't context that you don't context that you don't like rather than immediately blaming like rather than immediately blaming like rather than immediately blaming them or something inside of them like them or something inside of them like them or something inside of them like well that's just this type of dog like well that's just this type of dog like well that's just this type of dog like they're his whole line is like this they're his whole line is like this they're his whole line is like this rather than talking like that get rather than talking like that get rather than talking like that get curious about why and then that will curious about why and then that will curious about why and then that will Empower you to be be smarter about it Empower you to be be smarter about it Empower you to be be smarter about it like anytime the dog is offering me like anytime the dog is offering me like anytime the dog is offering me respon like like again Carson sweet Poes respon like like again Carson sweet Poes respon like like again Carson sweet Poes I didn't like how it looked yesterday I didn't like how it looked yesterday I didn't like how it looked yesterday I'm going to get curious and review that I'm going to get curious and review that I'm going to get curious and review that video and find out rather than going out video and find out rather than going out video and find out rather than going out there and trying to pound that nail some there and trying to pound that nail some there and trying to pound that nail some more I'm going to I'm not going to go

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more I'm going to I'm not going to go more I'm going to I'm not going to go back out unless I can figure out what back out unless I can figure out what back out unless I can figure out what went wrong so that I can do it better went wrong so that I can do it better went wrong so that I can do it better this next time and if I can't figure it this next time and if I can't figure it this next time and if I can't figure it out I'm gonna ask Megan so out I'm gonna ask Megan so out I'm gonna ask Megan so just so between us we'll figure it out just so between us we'll figure it out just so between us we'll figure it out so so so um I would say those those would be the um I would say those those would be the um I would say those those would be the three I don't know what happiness is but three I don't know what happiness is but three I don't know what happiness is but those will improve things those will improve things those will improve things yeah definitely definitely cool well yeah definitely definitely cool well yeah definitely definitely cool well thank you so much for your time Sarah thank you so much for your time Sarah thank you so much for your time Sarah we've loved chatting to you I could we've loved chatting to you I could we've loved chatting to you I could probably still chat to you for longer probably still chat to you for longer probably still chat to you for longer but Y Must but Y Must but Y Must upop thank you but where can people find upop thank you but where can people find upop thank you but where can people find out more about out more about out more about you everything is on my website Sarah you everything is on my website Sarah you everything is on my website Sarah streaming.com and then of course I am on streaming.com and then of course I am on streaming.com and then of course I am on all the various social media uh that you all the various social media uh that you all the various social media uh that you guys will link for them we've got guys will link for them we've got guys will link for them we've got Instagram Tik Tok and Facebook yeah Instagram Tik Tok and Facebook yeah Instagram Tik Tok and Facebook yeah we'll put the links in the show notes we'll put the links in the show notes we'll put the links in the show notes and everything so yeah but yeah thank and everything so yeah but yeah thank and everything so yeah but yeah thank you so much for your time we've love you so much for your time we've love you so much for your time we've love chatting to you thank you so much very chatting to you thank you so much very chatting to you thank you so much very enjoyable