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i promised you a treat and here's a i promised you a treat and here's a treat yes craig ogilvie for those of you treat yes craig ogilvie for those of you treat yes craig ogilvie for those of you who know and love him you know that he who know and love him you know that he who know and love him you know that he is the play guru and everything else is the play guru and everything else is the play guru and everything else guru he's spoken at the dog behavior guru he's spoken at the dog behavior guru he's spoken at the dog behavior conference once before when we were all conference once before when we were all conference once before when we were all in person was so well received so i've in person was so well received so i've in person was so well received so i've asked him back and if you guys haven't asked him back and if you guys haven't asked him back and if you guys haven't registered for the conference yet go to registered for the conference yet go to registered for the conference yet go to dogbehaviourconference.com dogbehaviourconference.com dogbehaviourconference.com it is a virtual online conference it is a virtual online conference it is a virtual online conference april the 1st to the 3rd we will be live april the 1st to the 3rd we will be live april the 1st to the 3rd we will be live but don't worry if you can't join live but don't worry if you can't join live but don't worry if you can't join live all three days we don't expect you to all three days we don't expect you to all three days we don't expect you to as soon as you register and as soon as as soon as you register and as soon as as soon as you register and as soon as the presentations go out live you have the presentations go out live you have the presentations go out live you have access to them for 12 months so come access to them for 12 months so come access to them for 12 months so come join us we have the most incredible join us we have the most incredible join us we have the most incredible presenters in crew including craig presenters in crew including craig presenters in crew including craig ogilvy from elderly dogs welcome ogilvy from elderly dogs welcome ogilvy from elderly dogs welcome okay everyone okay yes i'm so okay everyone okay yes i'm so okay everyone okay yes i'm so good good good i'm so glad that you are speaking again i'm so glad that you are speaking again i'm so glad that you are speaking again and of course it's virtual which is a and of course it's virtual which is a and of course it's virtual which is a little strange but i think little strange but i think little strange but i think at this point we're all
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at this point we're all at this point we're all pretty well used to it now do you do do pretty well used to it now do you do do pretty well used to it now do you do do i read on your i read on your i read on your website that you are actually doing a website that you are actually doing a website that you are actually doing a lot of virtual consultations lot of virtual consultations lot of virtual consultations um i still do a lot of i used to do it um i still do a lot of i used to do it um i still do a lot of i used to do it before the pandemic but like much more before the pandemic but like much more before the pandemic but like much more so now so lots of coaching primarily at so now so lots of coaching primarily at so now so lots of coaching primarily at the moment which is sort of feedback on the moment which is sort of feedback on the moment which is sort of feedback on a daily basis videos back and forth zoom a daily basis videos back and forth zoom a daily basis videos back and forth zoom calls involved in the packages so calls involved in the packages so calls involved in the packages so arguably now arguably now arguably now it's a good 50 to 60 percent of what i it's a good 50 to 60 percent of what i it's a good 50 to 60 percent of what i do i'm superseding all of the in-person do i'm superseding all of the in-person do i'm superseding all of the in-person stuff really just because i think stuff really just because i think stuff really just because i think everybody's adjusted to it to be honest everybody's adjusted to it to be honest everybody's adjusted to it to be honest and it actually works really well and it actually works really well and it actually works really well particularly for behavior problems particularly for behavior problems particularly for behavior problems doesn't it just doesn't it just doesn't it just deal with people every single day um and deal with people every single day um and deal with people every single day um and you just keep sort of feeding them you just keep sort of feeding them you just keep sort of feeding them information making adjustments and information making adjustments and information making adjustments and changes as needed and it doesn't become changes as needed and it doesn't become changes as needed and it doesn't become so overwhelming for people you make so overwhelming for people you make so overwhelming for people you make little changes get your management little changes get your management little changes get your management protocols into play little train protocols into play little train
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protocols into play little train changing train training changes along changing train training changes along changing train training changes along the way which works really well so yeah the way which works really well so yeah the way which works really well so yeah i really enjoy it but as i say a lot of i really enjoy it but as i say a lot of i really enjoy it but as i say a lot of what i do now is virtual what i do now is virtual what i do now is virtual yeah now you're you're going to be yeah now you're you're going to be yeah now you're you're going to be talking about interactive toy play from talking about interactive toy play from talking about interactive toy play from foundations to practical reinforcer foundations to practical reinforcer foundations to practical reinforcer and um and i you have a wonderful book and um and i you have a wonderful book and um and i you have a wonderful book out as well and um you are sort of i out as well and um you are sort of i out as well and um you are sort of i mean you do a lot of other things but mean you do a lot of other things but mean you do a lot of other things but you are very much known for play and and you are very much known for play and and you are very much known for play and and how important plays can you talk to me a how important plays can you talk to me a how important plays can you talk to me a little bit about that little bit about that little bit about that yeah so like when i first started yeah so like when i first started yeah so like when i first started working with dogs like i was really working with dogs like i was really working with dogs like i was really really interested all the way through my really interested all the way through my really interested all the way through my childhood my granddad was a police dog childhood my granddad was a police dog childhood my granddad was a police dog handler when i was a little boy so i was handler when i was a little boy so i was handler when i was a little boy so i was really sort of captivated by dogs and really sort of captivated by dogs and really sort of captivated by dogs and interested and i sort of went through my interested and i sort of went through my interested and i sort of went through my teens very interested training like a teens very interested training like a teens very interested training like a pet dogs at home my granddad retired so pet dogs at home my granddad retired so pet dogs at home my granddad retired so from german shepherds we transferred from german shepherds we transferred from german shepherds we transferred over to a labrador over to a labrador
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over to a labrador um and then my interest was was um and then my interest was was um and then my interest was was continued as i got into my teens but continued as i got into my teens but continued as i got into my teens but decided it best at that point to get a decided it best at that point to get a decided it best at that point to get a trade because i really didn't know how trade because i really didn't know how trade because i really didn't know how to get into it as a profession to get into it as a profession to get into it as a profession um so i got trained as a joiner but also um so i got trained as a joiner but also um so i got trained as a joiner but also was studying all of the time and i met was studying all of the time and i met was studying all of the time and i met one of my very first mentors who was a one of my very first mentors who was a one of my very first mentors who was a retired dog behaviourist um worked retired dog behaviourist um worked retired dog behaviourist um worked primarily around london and really took primarily around london and really took primarily around london and really took me under his wing and helped me sort of me under his wing and helped me sort of me under his wing and helped me sort of get my foot in the door so to speak with get my foot in the door so to speak with get my foot in the door so to speak with regards to understanding behavior he regards to understanding behavior he regards to understanding behavior he would take me to different people that would take me to different people that would take me to different people that he knew were current professionals he knew were current professionals he knew were current professionals um part of what i did a lot of at that um part of what i did a lot of at that um part of what i did a lot of at that time as well was a big interest in time as well was a big interest in time as well was a big interest in working dogs because obviously that was working dogs because obviously that was working dogs because obviously that was where my my eyes were on the prize where my my eyes were on the prize where my my eyes were on the prize behavior modification and working dogs behavior modification and working dogs behavior modification and working dogs like the two things i wanted to learn um like the two things i wanted to learn um like the two things i wanted to learn um so i started doing a lot with working so i started doing a lot with working so i started doing a lot with working dogs and very very luckily dogs and very very luckily dogs and very very luckily through my old mentor i met like the
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through my old mentor i met like the through my old mentor i met like the person that's like my dad now who really person that's like my dad now who really person that's like my dad now who really sort of took me under his wing and took sort of took me under his wing and took sort of took me under his wing and took me to and from europe um with a sport me to and from europe um with a sport me to and from europe um with a sport called mondeo ring which is a sport that called mondeo ring which is a sport that called mondeo ring which is a sport that consists of obedience consists of obedience consists of obedience agility and criminal apprehension and i agility and criminal apprehension and i agility and criminal apprehension and i learned sort of the art of the decoy so learned sort of the art of the decoy so learned sort of the art of the decoy so to speak um which is an art people just to speak um which is an art people just to speak um which is an art people just think it's a person in a suit but it is think it's a person in a suit but it is think it's a person in a suit but it is an art to be to be a good you can have an art to be to be a good you can have an art to be to be a good you can have bad decoys and good decoys bad decoys and good decoys bad decoys and good decoys decoys don't injure the dog as in like decoys don't injure the dog as in like decoys don't injure the dog as in like they know how to catch a dog they know they know how to catch a dog they know they know how to catch a dog they know right so sorry i had to come in there right so sorry i had to come in there right so sorry i had to come in there well that's you're more than welcome um well that's you're more than welcome um well that's you're more than welcome um it's also like the the training aspect it's also like the the training aspect it's also like the the training aspect of it like for a competition helper so i of it like for a competition helper so i of it like for a competition helper so i got licensed got licensed got licensed um to wear the costume early on like um to wear the costume early on like um to wear the costume early on like about 18 months after training i was the about 18 months after training i was the about 18 months after training i was the first person in the uk to do so so i first person in the uk to do so so i first person in the uk to do so so i could wear the costume in competitions could wear the costume in competitions could wear the costume in competitions in europe which i did lots of but the in europe which i did lots of but the
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in europe which i did lots of but the bit that really really got me bit that really really got me bit that really really got me was the training of the dogs and was the training of the dogs and was the training of the dogs and developing dogs that weren't quite so developing dogs that weren't quite so developing dogs that weren't quite so confident which is where the skills for confident which is where the skills for confident which is where the skills for interactive play come from because the interactive play come from because the interactive play come from because the correlation is like correlation is like correlation is like really really clear with regards to when really really clear with regards to when really really clear with regards to when you start off teaching a dog you're you start off teaching a dog you're you start off teaching a dog you're captivating or honing in on the captivating or honing in on the captivating or honing in on the predatory sequence i'm really focusing predatory sequence i'm really focusing predatory sequence i'm really focusing on to begin with the dog's desire to on to begin with the dog's desire to on to begin with the dog's desire to chase and grab by and then from the grab chase and grab by and then from the grab chase and grab by and then from the grab bite we obviously manipulate the process bite we obviously manipulate the process bite we obviously manipulate the process to get the dog into a position in which to get the dog into a position in which to get the dog into a position in which they're really comfortable and they're really comfortable and they're really comfortable and reinforced by biting onto something that reinforced by biting onto something that reinforced by biting onto something that is just a toy to begin with like a tea is just a toy to begin with like a tea is just a toy to begin with like a tea towel towel towel and i was obviously doing that and i was obviously doing that and i was obviously doing that i was obsessed absolutely obsessed as i i was obsessed absolutely obsessed as i i was obsessed absolutely obsessed as i still am but i was like completely still am but i was like completely still am but i was like completely obsessed with it so i was doing it in obsessed with it so i was doing it in obsessed with it so i was doing it in every spare hour i possibly could do and every spare hour i possibly could do and every spare hour i possibly could do and then as i was working lots of work in then as i was working lots of work in then as i was working lots of work in dogs i started to use the techniques
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dogs i started to use the techniques dogs i started to use the techniques with all of the pet dogs with behavioral with all of the pet dogs with behavioral with all of the pet dogs with behavioral problems i was working with because it problems i was working with because it problems i was working with because it was sort of like a was sort of like a was sort of like a a parallel universe so to speak i was a parallel universe so to speak i was a parallel universe so to speak i was doing lots of work in dog stuff studying doing lots of work in dog stuff studying doing lots of work in dog stuff studying lots of lots for behaviour and then lots of lots for behaviour and then lots of lots for behaviour and then doing home visits and i started to use doing home visits and i started to use doing home visits and i started to use the techniques with dogs struggling with the techniques with dogs struggling with the techniques with dogs struggling with sort of confidence issues and then sort of confidence issues and then sort of confidence issues and then helping people in sports that were helping people in sports that were helping people in sports that were outside of the biting room there which outside of the biting room there which outside of the biting room there which is where is where is where i started to systemize i started to systemize i started to systemize what i was doing so i could explain to what i was doing so i could explain to what i was doing so i could explain to everybody everybody everybody i've worked around the acronym i've worked around the acronym i've worked around the acronym interactive um which was easy to sort of interactive um which was easy to sort of interactive um which was easy to sort of explain to people and then explain to people and then explain to people and then it was a bit it was a bit serendipitous it was a bit it was a bit serendipitous it was a bit it was a bit serendipitous really somebody reached out to me and really somebody reached out to me and really somebody reached out to me and said would you be interested in writing said would you be interested in writing said would you be interested in writing a book on the subject a book on the subject a book on the subject um i wrote the book and then really from um i wrote the book and then really from um i wrote the book and then really from there it just platformed i met some there it just platformed i met some there it just platformed i met some wonderful people like um come on wonderful people like um come on wonderful people like um come on fernandez is one of my fernandez is one of my
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fernandez is one of my really really close friends yeah isn't really really close friends yeah isn't really really close friends yeah isn't he great he great he great yeah amazing human being amazing trainer yeah amazing human being amazing trainer yeah amazing human being amazing trainer and i went to do some seminars for him and i went to do some seminars for him and i went to do some seminars for him and again he's another cornerstone that and again he's another cornerstone that and again he's another cornerstone that i wouldn't be without because he really i wouldn't be without because he really i wouldn't be without because he really gave me gave me gave me sort of the ability to move forward with sort of the ability to move forward with sort of the ability to move forward with training and the confidence to do so and training and the confidence to do so and training and the confidence to do so and then again sort of serendipitously then again sort of serendipitously then again sort of serendipitously enough i went and did some seminars for enough i went and did some seminars for enough i went and did some seminars for the uk police wiltshire constabulary um the uk police wiltshire constabulary um the uk police wiltshire constabulary um some problem-solving seminars with sort some problem-solving seminars with sort some problem-solving seminars with sort of the dogs there and i was offered a of the dogs there and i was offered a of the dogs there and i was offered a full-time position as a trainer by the full-time position as a trainer by the full-time position as a trainer by the dog training manager so i worked as a dog training manager so i worked as a dog training manager so i worked as a civilian police doctor and instructor civilian police doctor and instructor civilian police doctor and instructor for a few years for a few years for a few years and then and then and then very very fortunately enough well it was very very fortunately enough well it was very very fortunately enough well it was fortunately and unfortunately like the fortunately and unfortunately like the fortunately and unfortunately like the business got so busy business got so busy business got so busy that i couldn't do both because the i that i couldn't do both because the i that i couldn't do both because the i love training police dogs like it's one love training police dogs like it's one love training police dogs like it's one of the things i really really enjoy of the things i really really enjoy of the things i really really enjoy really amazing really amazing really amazing yeah it's such a it's such a fantastic
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yeah it's such a it's such a fantastic yeah it's such a it's such a fantastic job i never see the times with my job i never see the times with my job i never see the times with my granddad were granddad were granddad were it was really close to the heart but it was really close to the heart but it was really close to the heart but unfortunately it was a case of i was unfortunately it was a case of i was unfortunately it was a case of i was having to turn down all of these like having to turn down all of these like having to turn down all of these like what fantastic opportunities of what fantastic opportunities of what fantastic opportunities of traveling and teaching internationally traveling and teaching internationally traveling and teaching internationally and really getting more and more and really getting more and more and really getting more and more um experience so i stopped working for um experience so i stopped working for um experience so i stopped working for the police and then from there it's just the police and then from there it's just the police and then from there it's just been full-time been full-time been full-time uh dog training for myself which is yeah uh dog training for myself which is yeah uh dog training for myself which is yeah it's been it we've been really fortunate it's been it we've been really fortunate it's been it we've been really fortunate so been able to move to like a nice so been able to move to like a nice so been able to move to like a nice location and put up the overview dogs location and put up the overview dogs location and put up the overview dogs training center me and my wife training center me and my wife training center me and my wife she's been fantastic like again another she's been fantastic like again another she's been fantastic like again another cornerstone person in my life is my wife cornerstone person in my life is my wife cornerstone person in my life is my wife i met she's an agility like a very i met she's an agility like a very i met she's an agility like a very serious competitor and a very good one serious competitor and a very good one serious competitor and a very good one yes very very good she's been very very yes very very good she's been very very yes very very good she's been very very um well she's talented very fortunate um well she's talented very fortunate um well she's talented very fortunate but very talented um and has been on the but very talented um and has been on the but very talented um and has been on the great britain team several times great britain team several times
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great britain team several times competed internationally and she's again competed internationally and she's again competed internationally and she's again another cornerstone in my life because another cornerstone in my life because another cornerstone in my life because when we met together we were able to do when we met together we were able to do when we met together we were able to do things that perhaps wouldn't have been things that perhaps wouldn't have been things that perhaps wouldn't have been quite so quite so quite so achievable um by ourselves so we were achievable um by ourselves so we were achievable um by ourselves so we were able to get the farm that we live on now able to get the farm that we live on now able to get the farm that we live on now and put the ogilvy dog centre up and and put the ogilvy dog centre up and and put the ogilvy dog centre up and just really continue doing what i love just really continue doing what i love just really continue doing what i love for a living so it's really really for a living so it's really really for a living so it's really really really lucky i had a very very fortunate really lucky i had a very very fortunate really lucky i had a very very fortunate path path path so you know it's interesting because you so you know it's interesting because you so you know it's interesting because you are you have such experience with are you have such experience with are you have such experience with working dogs and there's such experience working dogs and there's such experience working dogs and there's such experience with companion dogs with companion dogs with companion dogs a question that i get asked and i do not a question that i get asked and i do not a question that i get asked and i do not have as much experience with working have as much experience with working have as much experience with working dogs as you do but i have had dogs as you do but i have had dogs as you do but i have had experienced working dogs certainly with experienced working dogs certainly with experienced working dogs certainly with the police for five years the police for five years the police for five years and well actually seven years it it and well actually seven years it it and well actually seven years it it eventually ended up being and so i eventually ended up being and so i eventually ended up being and so i learned so much learned so much learned so much by working with the american police here by working with the american police here by working with the american police here and by also talking with the met and um and by also talking with the met and um
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and by also talking with the met and um but i but i but i i learned so much i learned so much i learned so much about teaching working dogs about teaching working dogs about teaching working dogs um um um i always get asked the question i always get asked the question i always get asked the question is there a difference is there a difference is there a difference so i'm asking you the question is there so i'm asking you the question is there so i'm asking you the question is there a difference working with working dogs a difference working with working dogs a difference working with working dogs and companion dogs and companion dogs and companion dogs i think i think the two primary i think i think the two primary i think i think the two primary differences are genetic influence on differences are genetic influence on differences are genetic influence on behavior which is one of the primary behavior which is one of the primary behavior which is one of the primary factors obviously there's selective factors obviously there's selective factors obviously there's selective breeding that dictates that the dogs are breeding that dictates that the dogs are breeding that dictates that the dogs are going to have the attributes that's going to have the attributes that's going to have the attributes that's going to they're going to make them more going to they're going to make them more going to they're going to make them more desirable for a working role and when we desirable for a working role and when we desirable for a working role and when we think about a companion dog typically think about a companion dog typically think about a companion dog typically the genetics or they're going to have the genetics or they're going to have the genetics or they're going to have the genetic attributes which are going the genetic attributes which are going the genetic attributes which are going to make them more suited for a pet role to make them more suited for a pet role to make them more suited for a pet role training fundamentally training fundamentally training fundamentally is reinforcement drives behavior so is reinforcement drives behavior so is reinforcement drives behavior so we're going to find the things that the we're going to find the things that the we're going to find the things that the dogs are most reinforced by capitalize dogs are most reinforced by capitalize dogs are most reinforced by capitalize on those and use operant conditioning to on those and use operant conditioning to on those and use operant conditioning to train the behaviors that we want to with train the behaviors that we want to with
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train the behaviors that we want to with all of our focus on positive all of our focus on positive all of our focus on positive reinforcement so the training process reinforcement so the training process reinforcement so the training process the actual training is different because the actual training is different because the actual training is different because the exercises are completely different the exercises are completely different the exercises are completely different but the actual principle of training but the actual principle of training but the actual principle of training there is no difference it's it's exactly there is no difference it's it's exactly there is no difference it's it's exactly the same thing it's just different the same thing it's just different the same thing it's just different behaviors and typically behaviors and typically behaviors and typically like if you're thinking about training a like if you're thinking about training a like if you're thinking about training a police dog there's lots and lots of police dog there's lots and lots of police dog there's lots and lots of boxes to take with all of the different boxes to take with all of the different boxes to take with all of the different exercises that they've got to be able to exercises that they've got to be able to exercises that they've got to be able to do one of the things about a working dog do one of the things about a working dog do one of the things about a working dog typically typically typically is the consistency is the consistency is the consistency that we would like to see again there's that we would like to see again there's that we would like to see again there's no such thing as a fully trained dog no such thing as a fully trained dog no such thing as a fully trained dog that doesn't exist there's always going that doesn't exist there's always going that doesn't exist there's always going to be peaks and troughs and fluctuations to be peaks and troughs and fluctuations to be peaks and troughs and fluctuations in behavior but what we're looking to do in behavior but what we're looking to do in behavior but what we're looking to do is to create as much consistency with is to create as much consistency with is to create as much consistency with all of the sequences as is possible so all of the sequences as is possible so all of the sequences as is possible so that the dogs have got a really really that the dogs have got a really really that the dogs have got a really really good chance of you know performing the good chance of you know performing the
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good chance of you know performing the activities the tasks that they need to activities the tasks that they need to activities the tasks that they need to as and when they need to but the actual as and when they need to but the actual as and when they need to but the actual training if you think fundamentally training if you think fundamentally training if you think fundamentally about training you know some of the about training you know some of the about training you know some of the basic basics like we do with a police basic basics like we do with a police basic basics like we do with a police dog a police dog puppy are very very dog a police dog puppy are very very dog a police dog puppy are very very similar then i would do with a pet dog similar then i would do with a pet dog similar then i would do with a pet dog puppy free shaping puppy free shaping puppy free shaping you know um you know um you know um awareness like bodily awareness etcetera awareness like bodily awareness etcetera awareness like bodily awareness etcetera etcetera all of the things i would do etcetera all of the things i would do etcetera all of the things i would do with one puppy would be the same as the with one puppy would be the same as the with one puppy would be the same as the next it's just then we start to sort of next it's just then we start to sort of next it's just then we start to sort of take the take the take the deviation in the path that we're going deviation in the path that we're going deviation in the path that we're going to select for them to select for them to select for them so so so when people see let's say when people see let's say when people see let's say um an apprehension work right when um an apprehension work right when um an apprehension work right when people see a dog biting on a sleeve or people see a dog biting on a sleeve or people see a dog biting on a sleeve or um um um a lot of people go whoa that dog is a lot of people go whoa that dog is a lot of people go whoa that dog is aggressive aggressive aggressive what do you say to that what do you say to that what do you say to that it's well the thing with biting is it's well the thing with biting is it's well the thing with biting is typically it's human nature to go a dog typically it's human nature to go a dog typically it's human nature to go a dog is biting and it must be aggression is biting and it must be aggression is biting and it must be aggression orientated but like my big dog's in he's orientated but like my big dog's in he's orientated but like my big dog's in he's um nearly fall now um nearly fall now
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um nearly fall now and he'll bite anybody that wears a and he'll bite anybody that wears a and he'll bite anybody that wears a costume said but the suit is the costume said but the suit is the costume said but the suit is the antecedent and part of the arrangement antecedent and part of the arrangement antecedent and part of the arrangement that leads the dog into biting it's that leads the dog into biting it's that leads the dog into biting it's slightly different for a police dog slightly different for a police dog slightly different for a police dog because they can't be kept aware because they can't be kept aware because they can't be kept aware however the process was then he's as however the process was then he's as however the process was then he's as social as you could get a dog like if he social as you could get a dog like if he social as you could get a dog like if he would just want to cuddle you and lick would just want to cuddle you and lick would just want to cuddle you and lick you to death like there's no that you to death like there's no that you to death like there's no that there's no aggression there for him there's no aggression there for him there's no aggression there for him because the process is effectively of because the process is effectively of because the process is effectively of teaching to buy is running through the teaching to buy is running through the teaching to buy is running through the process of a dog understanding sort of process of a dog understanding sort of process of a dog understanding sort of the motivation and having the the motivation and having the the motivation and having the consistency with regards to biting an consistency with regards to biting an consistency with regards to biting an item like a tea towel when they're a item like a tea towel when they're a item like a tea towel when they're a baby and then we just follow this baby and then we just follow this baby and then we just follow this generalization process so to speak which generalization process so to speak which generalization process so to speak which also involves sort of incremental also involves sort of incremental also involves sort of incremental progression where you build them onto progression where you build them onto progression where you build them onto bike and they decide a bit of equipment bike and they decide a bit of equipment bike and they decide a bit of equipment if you're working like a dog that is if you're working like a dog that is if you're working like a dog that is going to be potentially competing in going to be potentially competing in
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going to be potentially competing in sports like zen you're going to focus on sports like zen you're going to focus on sports like zen you're going to focus on the equipment that they use so for us we the equipment that they use so for us we the equipment that they use so for us we always use a costume which is typically always use a costume which is typically always use a costume which is typically made out of a linen knee type material made out of a linen knee type material made out of a linen knee type material with padding into it so i would always with padding into it so i would always with padding into it so i would always start off with a dupe material build up start off with a dupe material build up start off with a dupe material build up once a dog's grip is consistent onto the once a dog's grip is consistent onto the once a dog's grip is consistent onto the costume the same process would be costume the same process would be costume the same process would be followed with the police dog they're followed with the police dog they're followed with the police dog they're different being in that set of different being in that set of different being in that set of circumstances is that you would transfer circumstances is that you would transfer circumstances is that you would transfer the dog over to being able to buy a kit the dog over to being able to buy a kit the dog over to being able to buy a kit that was completely concealed so you'd that was completely concealed so you'd that was completely concealed so you'd have somebody dressed looking completely have somebody dressed looking completely have somebody dressed looking completely normal but actually they'd have sort of normal but actually they'd have sort of normal but actually they'd have sort of secure or covert padding underneath secure or covert padding underneath secure or covert padding underneath which means that when the dog bites which means that when the dog bites which means that when the dog bites basically it doesn't realize that they basically it doesn't realize that they basically it doesn't realize that they kick that there's kit on them and the kick that there's kit on them and the kick that there's kit on them and the person isn't going to get a lot of person isn't going to get a lot of person isn't going to get a lot of puncture wins in them unless obviously puncture wins in them unless obviously puncture wins in them unless obviously they've done something extremely they've done something extremely they've done something extremely dangerous and again with dog bites as dangerous and again with dog bites as
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dangerous and again with dog bites as well well well from my memory a dog bite is one down from my memory a dog bite is one down from my memory a dog bite is one down from the use of a firearm so a person from the use of a firearm so a person from the use of a firearm so a person has got to do something you know has got to do something you know has got to do something you know incredibly dangerous and there's got to incredibly dangerous and there's got to incredibly dangerous and there's got to be be be a lot of like a lot of like a lot of like there's got to be a lot of reason for a there's got to be a lot of reason for a there's got to be a lot of reason for a policeman sending his dog to bite policeman sending his dog to bite policeman sending his dog to bite someone so it's it's not something someone so it's it's not something someone so it's it's not something that's looked upon you know lightly oh that's looked upon you know lightly oh that's looked upon you know lightly oh you know we'll just send them off the you know we'll just send them off the you know we'll just send them off the bike to fight someone it's something bike to fight someone it's something bike to fight someone it's something that's really has to be thought about that's really has to be thought about that's really has to be thought about and justified and justified and justified um like policemen are then taken off of um like policemen are then taken off of um like policemen are then taken off of duty they've got to justify why the bite duty they've got to justify why the bite duty they've got to justify why the bite happened they've got to write all of happened they've got to write all of happened they've got to write all of their reports and make sure that it was their reports and make sure that it was their reports and make sure that it was completely clear so the aggression completely clear so the aggression completely clear so the aggression aspect aspect aspect isn't true with regards to how you go isn't true with regards to how you go isn't true with regards to how you go about teaching a dog to buy because i've about teaching a dog to buy because i've about teaching a dog to buy because i've got i've trained biting dogs for all of got i've trained biting dogs for all of got i've trained biting dogs for all of my adult life now although now i must my adult life now although now i must my adult life now although now i must admit the focus that i work on is much admit the focus that i work on is much admit the focus that i work on is much more with behavioral problems and sort more with behavioral problems and sort
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more with behavioral problems and sort of problems in states of arousal etc of problems in states of arousal etc of problems in states of arousal etc but you know for all of the sports dogs but you know for all of the sports dogs but you know for all of the sports dogs that come to me for training there is no that come to me for training there is no that come to me for training there is no question whatsoever like i can bite them question whatsoever like i can bite them question whatsoever like i can bite them in the costume take the costume off and in the costume take the costume off and in the costume take the costume off and every time at the end of the session we every time at the end of the session we every time at the end of the session we sit down we have a cuddle whilst they've sit down we have a cuddle whilst they've sit down we have a cuddle whilst they've sort of got their toy in their mouth or sort of got their toy in their mouth or sort of got their toy in their mouth or whatever and that's the way it is with whatever and that's the way it is with whatever and that's the way it is with all of the dogs that i train so it's a all of the dogs that i train so it's a all of the dogs that i train so it's a little bit of a misconception really on little bit of a misconception really on little bit of a misconception really on most cases it is it is obviously there's most cases it is it is obviously there's most cases it is it is obviously there's obviously obviously obviously um um um exceptions to that but in most cases it exceptions to that but in most cases it exceptions to that but in most cases it is a misconception is a misconception is a misconception there are there are exceptions to that there are there are exceptions to that there are there are exceptions to that and you know i i had and you know i i had and you know i i had i i feel like an absolute gift and i i feel like an absolute gift and i i feel like an absolute gift and something that a lot of civilians don't something that a lot of civilians don't something that a lot of civilians don't get in that when i was filming guardians get in that when i was filming guardians get in that when i was filming guardians of the night that i did spend five years of the night that i did spend five years of the night that i did spend five years uh learning uh learning uh learning um and going on their calls so not only um and going on their calls so not only um and going on their calls so not only did i uh did i uh did i uh was i was i was i able to go to all the training sessions able to go to all the training sessions
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able to go to all the training sessions and able to partake in those training and able to partake in those training and able to partake in those training sessions uh sessions and learning how to sessions uh sessions and learning how to sessions uh sessions and learning how to be a decoy myself which i don't think i be a decoy myself which i don't think i be a decoy myself which i don't think i was very good at um but was very good at um but was very good at um but um i was able to see it in action and in um i was able to see it in action and in um i was able to see it in action and in fact what i could say in those five fact what i could say in those five fact what i could say in those five years is that years is that years is that um as a general rule yet cops don't um as a general rule yet cops don't um as a general rule yet cops don't really want to do paperwork and really want to do paperwork and really want to do paperwork and they're gonna do their job but they're gonna do their job but they're gonna do their job but sending a dog off to actually bite sending a dog off to actually bite sending a dog off to actually bite somebody to actually apprehend somebody somebody to actually apprehend somebody somebody to actually apprehend somebody is a last resort is a last resort is a last resort as well as here in america the use of a as well as here in america the use of a as well as here in america the use of a firearm is a very very last resort and firearm is a very very last resort and firearm is a very very last resort and it needs explaining and it needs it needs explaining and it needs it needs explaining and it needs documenting and i i think i don't think documenting and i i think i don't think documenting and i i think i don't think people realize that actually everything people realize that actually everything people realize that actually everything with those dogs is documented to the with those dogs is documented to the with those dogs is documented to the training to when training happens to training to when training happens to training to when training happens to every day um it's documented and so every day um it's documented and so every day um it's documented and so having it's not just about sending a dog having it's not just about sending a dog having it's not just about sending a dog off to a bike it's not just about you off to a bike it's not just about you off to a bike it's not just about you know teaching a dog to just find and know teaching a dog to just find and know teaching a dog to just find and sniff out narcotics and and money and sniff out narcotics and and money and
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sniff out narcotics and and money and other kinds of paraphernalia like that other kinds of paraphernalia like that other kinds of paraphernalia like that it is all about documentation it is a it is all about documentation it is a it is all about documentation it is a massive job to be a canine handler um massive job to be a canine handler um massive job to be a canine handler um and yeah and so so this sort of leads me and yeah and so so this sort of leads me and yeah and so so this sort of leads me on because of my experience on because of my experience on because of my experience working here in america um not just sort working here in america um not just sort working here in america um not just sort of in that working dog world obviously of in that working dog world obviously of in that working dog world obviously but companion dog world but seeing so but companion dog world but seeing so but companion dog world but seeing so much much much brutal force brutal force brutal force yes yes with regards to training methods yes yes with regards to training methods yes yes with regards to training methods you mean yeah yeah and so i'd like to you mean yeah yeah and so i'd like to you mean yeah yeah and so i'd like to sort of um i know that's something sort of um i know that's something sort of um i know that's something you're not really going to focus on in you're not really going to focus on in you're not really going to focus on in in your talk but i i think it's really in your talk but i i think it's really in your talk but i i think it's really important for people because we do have important for people because we do have important for people because we do have a lot of sport dog handlers on here on a lot of sport dog handlers on here on a lot of sport dog handlers on here on facebook and we do have a lot of people facebook and we do have a lot of people facebook and we do have a lot of people that um we also have law enforcement as that um we also have law enforcement as that um we also have law enforcement as well so i sort of like you to talk a well so i sort of like you to talk a well so i sort of like you to talk a little bit about little bit about little bit about the the great debate the the great debate the the great debate yeah it's for me the reason that people yeah it's for me the reason that people yeah it's for me the reason that people typically use tools is because they're typically use tools is because they're typically use tools is because they're in a position in which the training in a position in which the training
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in a position in which the training hasn't been clear consistent or hasn't been clear consistent or hasn't been clear consistent or incremental enough that's that that's my incremental enough that's that that's my incremental enough that's that that's my opinion but for the big dog zen opinion but for the big dog zen opinion but for the big dog zen um a big dog is only little but i mean um a big dog is only little but i mean um a big dog is only little but i mean my adult dog is in like the release for my adult dog is in like the release for my adult dog is in like the release for example is one of the things that people example is one of the things that people example is one of the things that people struggle with greatly struggle with greatly struggle with greatly dogs to let go so for me i take i take a dogs to let go so for me i take i take a dogs to let go so for me i take i take a little bit of a different approach with little bit of a different approach with little bit of a different approach with white dogs when they're babies i don't white dogs when they're babies i don't white dogs when they're babies i don't go go go sort of crash bang wallop so to speak sort of crash bang wallop so to speak sort of crash bang wallop so to speak into biting somebody in a costume my into biting somebody in a costume my into biting somebody in a costume my focus is primarily building motivation focus is primarily building motivation focus is primarily building motivation up with toy drive and playing with me up with toy drive and playing with me up with toy drive and playing with me and i also teach the dogs sort of biting and i also teach the dogs sort of biting and i also teach the dogs sort of biting grips etcetera with me which isn't a grips etcetera with me which isn't a grips etcetera with me which isn't a common approach typically people want to common approach typically people want to common approach typically people want to hand over as quickly as is possible and hand over as quickly as is possible and hand over as quickly as is possible and you know there's obviously going to be you know there's obviously going to be you know there's obviously going to be debate swings and roundabouts with debate swings and roundabouts with debate swings and roundabouts with regards to how the dog develops in that regards to how the dog develops in that regards to how the dog develops in that manner but i'm in a position in which if manner but i'm in a position in which if manner but i'm in a position in which if i ask the dog to come here when he's i ask the dog to come here when he's
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i ask the dog to come here when he's biting a man in a costume he projectile biting a man in a costume he projectile biting a man in a costume he projectile spits the man out to get back to me as spits the man out to get back to me as spits the man out to get back to me as quick as he can because arguably in that quick as he can because arguably in that quick as he can because arguably in that circle in that set of circumstances the circle in that set of circumstances the circle in that set of circumstances the reward that he's going to get from me reward that he's going to get from me reward that he's going to get from me which would be a fluffy chaser type toy which would be a fluffy chaser type toy which would be a fluffy chaser type toy has sort of has sort of has sort of a relevant a relevant a relevant circumstantial value to what he's doing circumstantial value to what he's doing circumstantial value to what he's doing in the costume arguably it's not quite in the costume arguably it's not quite in the costume arguably it's not quite as high but because i brought up built as high but because i brought up built as high but because i brought up built up so much reinforcement history with up so much reinforcement history with up so much reinforcement history with regards to the reinforcer that i'm using regards to the reinforcer that i'm using regards to the reinforcer that i'm using with me with me with me it is a really really solid option so it is a really really solid option so it is a really really solid option so it's oh god i want to get back to dad it's oh god i want to get back to dad it's oh god i want to get back to dad and i want to be rewarded immediately and i want to be rewarded immediately and i want to be rewarded immediately and i can hand on heart say i've never and i can hand on heart say i've never and i can hand on heart say i've never had him not let go of somebody in a had him not let go of somebody in a had him not let go of somebody in a costume ever and that's all based on his costume ever and that's all based on his costume ever and that's all based on his motivation to get back to me but i've motivation to get back to me but i've motivation to get back to me but i've spent a lot of time doing it so by the spent a lot of time doing it so by the spent a lot of time doing it so by the time he actually bit somebody in a time he actually bit somebody in a time he actually bit somebody in a costume costume costume he was way way over a year old like way he was way way over a year old like way he was way way over a year old like way way over a year old but all of the
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way over a year old but all of the way over a year old but all of the motivation had been put into motivation had been put into motivation had been put into like the toy play with me but also all like the toy play with me but also all like the toy play with me but also all of his control behaviors like it's for of his control behaviors like it's for of his control behaviors like it's for me it's very very important that dogs me it's very very important that dogs me it's very very important that dogs can um alternate between food can um alternate between food can um alternate between food reinforcement and toy reinforcement reinforcement and toy reinforcement reinforcement and toy reinforcement because typically if the dog's in a because typically if the dog's in a because typically if the dog's in a position in which they are not able to position in which they are not able to position in which they are not able to take food that they are in a take food that they are in a take food that they are in a non-adaptive state of arousal which non-adaptive state of arousal which non-adaptive state of arousal which means and for a dog like a malinois means and for a dog like a malinois means and for a dog like a malinois working for a german shepherd etc etc working for a german shepherd etc etc working for a german shepherd etc etc even high dry border collies rock even high dry border collies rock even high dry border collies rock violets that list you know name the list violets that list you know name the list violets that list you know name the list even labradors they're in a position in even labradors they're in a position in even labradors they're in a position in which they are so aroused that they which they are so aroused that they which they are so aroused that they can't take food food is a primary can't take food food is a primary can't take food food is a primary reinforcer which fulfills a biological reinforcer which fulfills a biological reinforcer which fulfills a biological need it could be the case need it could be the case need it could be the case that the toy is more circumstantially that the toy is more circumstantially that the toy is more circumstantially valuable in that sort of circumstances valuable in that sort of circumstances valuable in that sort of circumstances but how do we know if we're not in a but how do we know if we're not in a but how do we know if we're not in a position in which the dog is able to position in which the dog is able to position in which the dog is able to alternate freely between the two so alternate freely between the two so
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alternate freely between the two so often like when i'm going to do a biting often like when i'm going to do a biting often like when i'm going to do a biting exercise i'll ask the dog for a random exercise i'll ask the dog for a random exercise i'll ask the dog for a random behavior like a touch or a middle um or behavior like a touch or a middle um or behavior like a touch or a middle um or eye contact and rather than giving him eye contact and rather than giving him eye contact and rather than giving him the all clear to go and bite the person the all clear to go and bite the person the all clear to go and bite the person i'll give my on me my reward specific i'll give my on me my reward specific i'll give my on me my reward specific marker on me i'll go yep and i'll flick marker on me i'll go yep and i'll flick marker on me i'll go yep and i'll flick him a sausage and we go again so he's in him a sausage and we go again so he's in him a sausage and we go again so he's in a position in which it's nice and clear a position in which it's nice and clear a position in which it's nice and clear for him but i think the foundations for him but i think the foundations for him but i think the foundations that you have to put in do take that you have to put in do take that you have to put in do take like a good period of time as any good like a good period of time as any good like a good period of time as any good dog training does and i i would say dog training does and i i would say dog training does and i i would say that people sort of rushing along might that people sort of rushing along might that people sort of rushing along might be the case that they they sort of end be the case that they they sort of end be the case that they they sort of end up implementing up implementing up implementing those talks when really we could we those talks when really we could we those talks when really we could we could train the dogs in a different could train the dogs in a different could train the dogs in a different manner so it's manner so it's manner so it's and everybody has their own opinion and everybody has their own opinion and everybody has their own opinion victoria like it's always great about victoria like it's always great about victoria like it's always great about him i'm very much so i don't get him i'm very much so i don't get him i'm very much so i don't get involved in politics or big involved in politics or big involved in politics or big conversations i just do what i do and i conversations i just do what i do and i conversations i just do what i do and i help the people to the best of my
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help the people to the best of my help the people to the best of my ability that i can do ability that i can do ability that i can do but yeah all of the dogs i've trained but yeah all of the dogs i've trained but yeah all of the dogs i've trained particularly the ones that come to me particularly the ones that come to me particularly the ones that come to me for parties for parties for parties they let go like they come back there's they let go like they come back there's they let go like they come back there's no there's no problem they let go and no there's no problem they let go and no there's no problem they let go and they're able to do their behaviors in they're able to do their behaviors in they're able to do their behaviors in the presence of distractions but we work the presence of distractions but we work the presence of distractions but we work on the control obediency behaviors on the control obediency behaviors on the control obediency behaviors making those super room forces as well making those super room forces as well making those super room forces as well as the sexy stuff which is ultimately as the sexy stuff which is ultimately as the sexy stuff which is ultimately getting the dog to bite the person in getting the dog to bite the person in getting the dog to bite the person in the costume and with a dog with that the costume and with a dog with that the costume and with a dog with that genetic influence on behavior the biting genetic influence on behavior the biting genetic influence on behavior the biting is easy victoria how they buy is is easy victoria how they buy is is easy victoria how they buy is they've got to buy in a particular way they've got to buy in a particular way they've got to buy in a particular way particularly for sports but getting the particularly for sports but getting the particularly for sports but getting the dogs to bite there's generations and dogs to bite there's generations and dogs to bite there's generations and generations and generations that dictate generations and generations that dictate generations and generations that dictate that they're going to be strongly um that they're going to be strongly um that they're going to be strongly um gifted with those attributes gifted with those attributes gifted with those attributes yeah it's it's it's fascinating and um i yeah it's it's it's fascinating and um i yeah it's it's it's fascinating and um i i do think you know in america i do think you know in america i do think you know in america especially with not so much my handlers especially with not so much my handlers
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especially with not so much my handlers even though they were maybe a little even though they were maybe a little even though they were maybe a little harsher but um then i was used to but um harsher but um then i was used to but um harsher but um then i was used to but um but definitely other greener handlers but definitely other greener handlers but definitely other greener handlers but but things are changing here too but but things are changing here too but but things are changing here too there is a a very very large there is a a very very large there is a a very very large police dog training school and breeder police dog training school and breeder police dog training school and breeder here very famous here very famous here very famous and um and um and um and and and they they they one of their handlers that i knew went one of their handlers that i knew went one of their handlers that i knew went up there a couple of years ago up there a couple of years ago up there a couple of years ago before the pandemic and the meeting at before the pandemic and the meeting at before the pandemic and the meeting at the start they were like if your harm the start they were like if your harm the start they were like if your harm hurt your dog in any way you have no hurt your dog in any way you have no hurt your dog in any way you have no place here place here place here oh excellent oh excellent oh excellent wow amazing um and so i do think it's wow amazing um and so i do think it's wow amazing um and so i do think it's changing uh but i i think change isn't changing uh but i i think change isn't changing uh but i i think change isn't easy and i think it's it's it's slow and easy and i think it's it's it's slow and easy and i think it's it's it's slow and it takes a while it takes a while it takes a while in my opinion as well and what i can see in my opinion as well and what i can see in my opinion as well and what i can see is as we start to get the transition of is as we start to get the transition of is as we start to get the transition of some of the world's very talented some of the world's very talented some of the world's very talented trainers particularly some of like the trainers particularly some of like the trainers particularly some of like the european ladies and gentlemen that are european ladies and gentlemen that are european ladies and gentlemen that are getting that come from obedience and getting that come from obedience and getting that come from obedience and getting into sports dog training the getting into sports dog training the
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getting into sports dog training the foundations are very very much so foundations are very very much so foundations are very very much so based all around positive reinforcement based all around positive reinforcement based all around positive reinforcement because that's all they've ever come up because that's all they've ever come up because that's all they've ever come up with so they're not in a position in with so they're not in a position in with so they're not in a position in which they're sort of crossover trainers which they're sort of crossover trainers which they're sort of crossover trainers and they're trying to learn new things and they're trying to learn new things and they're trying to learn new things that's all they've ever done so the the that's all they've ever done so the the that's all they've ever done so the the remit of the tools isn't inside of their remit of the tools isn't inside of their remit of the tools isn't inside of their box so they they work and they train the box so they they work and they train the box so they they work and they train the dogs around dogs around dogs around what they want them to do using all of what they want them to do using all of what they want them to do using all of that you know the suitable reinforcement that you know the suitable reinforcement that you know the suitable reinforcement options which is nice to see i do think options which is nice to see i do think options which is nice to see i do think the world that the world is changing and the world that the world is changing and the world that the world is changing and it's just it's just it's just but there's always going to be camps but there's always going to be camps but there's always going to be camps isn't there victoria like and i don't isn't there victoria like and i don't isn't there victoria like and i don't i'm always in a position in which as i i'm always in a position in which as i i'm always in a position in which as i say i just tried to go say i just tried to go say i just tried to go this is how i would go about doing that this is how i would go about doing that this is how i would go about doing that and i help people as absolutely best i and i help people as absolutely best i and i help people as absolutely best i can using the methods um that i know can using the methods um that i know can using the methods um that i know work best yeah well um of course play work best yeah well um of course play work best yeah well um of course play being a very important part for our being a very important part for our
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being a very important part for our companion dogs as well and uh companion dogs as well and uh companion dogs as well and uh and and i feel like uh i feel like it's and and i feel like uh i feel like it's and and i feel like uh i feel like it's still still still i mean we are putting more emphasis on i mean we are putting more emphasis on i mean we are putting more emphasis on it but i it but i it but i i still think it it needs to be i still think it it needs to be i still think it it needs to be highlighted more about how how important highlighted more about how how important highlighted more about how how important and how effective it is and one of the and how effective it is and one of the and how effective it is and one of the things i know you're going to be talking things i know you're going to be talking things i know you're going to be talking about about about um are getting dogs interested in play um are getting dogs interested in play um are getting dogs interested in play now i work with a lot of rescue dogs now i work with a lot of rescue dogs now i work with a lot of rescue dogs here a lot of dogs come from incredibly here a lot of dogs come from incredibly here a lot of dogs come from incredibly bad situations they have no idea what bad situations they have no idea what bad situations they have no idea what play's all about because they never play's all about because they never play's all about because they never learned learned learned um could you talk about um could you talk about um could you talk about how would you get a dog interested in how would you get a dog interested in how would you get a dog interested in play play play typically for me what i like to do um typically for me what i like to do um typically for me what i like to do um what particularly when i speak to the what particularly when i speak to the what particularly when i speak to the person or the caregiver of the dog if person or the caregiver of the dog if person or the caregiver of the dog if they've got a sort of um they've got a sort of um they've got a sort of um a learning history with the dog so to a learning history with the dog so to a learning history with the dog so to speak meaning they've had them for some speak meaning they've had them for some speak meaning they've had them for some time some of the typical questions that time some of the typical questions that time some of the typical questions that i'll ask is what are the dog's interests i'll ask is what are the dog's interests i'll ask is what are the dog's interests like in the evenings at home like in the evenings at home
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like in the evenings at home particularly for a dog that's new in a particularly for a dog that's new in a particularly for a dog that's new in a household you're gonna get that frantic household you're gonna get that frantic household you're gonna get that frantic random activity period that happens random activity period that happens random activity period that happens typically between seven and nine o'clock typically between seven and nine o'clock typically between seven and nine o'clock somewhere depending on the dog sort of somewhere depending on the dog sort of somewhere depending on the dog sort of sleeping patterns where they become sleeping patterns where they become sleeping patterns where they become more aroused and a lot of the problem more aroused and a lot of the problem more aroused and a lot of the problem behaviors that we see during that time behaviors that we see during that time behaviors that we see during that time often give us an inclination of what the often give us an inclination of what the often give us an inclination of what the dog actually likes to do particularly dog actually likes to do particularly dog actually likes to do particularly toy wise so perhaps they go on a zoomie toy wise so perhaps they go on a zoomie toy wise so perhaps they go on a zoomie around the living room around the living room around the living room and they grab that fluffy cushion that's and they grab that fluffy cushion that's and they grab that fluffy cushion that's on the sofa that they really shouldn't on the sofa that they really shouldn't on the sofa that they really shouldn't grab because mum and dad don't want them grab because mum and dad don't want them grab because mum and dad don't want them to but they haven't managed it or taught to but they haven't managed it or taught to but they haven't managed it or taught them an alternative so that's what they them an alternative so that's what they them an alternative so that's what they do so if they say oh that's what they do do so if they say oh that's what they do do so if they say oh that's what they do during this period it for me i'm looking during this period it for me i'm looking during this period it for me i'm looking for informations and snippets as to what for informations and snippets as to what for informations and snippets as to what the dog is interested in what type of the dog is interested in what type of the dog is interested in what type of materials they might be interested in materials they might be interested in materials they might be interested in but then i'll also ask questions
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but then i'll also ask questions but then i'll also ask questions revolving around chasing so revolving around chasing so revolving around chasing so typically typically typically a large percentage of the dogs i've a large percentage of the dogs i've a large percentage of the dogs i've worked with which has got into the worked with which has got into the worked with which has got into the thousands now have got an interest in thousands now have got an interest in thousands now have got an interest in some type of chasing or holding some type of chasing or holding some type of chasing or holding something in their mouth there's going something in their mouth there's going something in their mouth there's going to be one of the two so i tried to to be one of the two so i tried to to be one of the two so i tried to gather that information off of the gather that information off of the gather that information off of the person if they say oh you know they've person if they say oh you know they've person if they say oh you know they've got quite a strong predatory drive got quite a strong predatory drive got quite a strong predatory drive or they still that cushion off of the or they still that cushion off of the or they still that cushion off of the sofa i'm looking really to work around sofa i'm looking really to work around sofa i'm looking really to work around getting the dog interested in an item getting the dog interested in an item getting the dog interested in an item which is going to be ultimately the which is going to be ultimately the which is going to be ultimately the bridge for play bridge for play bridge for play using absolutely no pressure one of the using absolutely no pressure one of the using absolutely no pressure one of the things with toy play if we was to ask things with toy play if we was to ask things with toy play if we was to ask sort of a handful of pet dog owners with sort of a handful of pet dog owners with sort of a handful of pet dog owners with a very limited experience with dogs who a very limited experience with dogs who a very limited experience with dogs who say oh get your dog to play the first say oh get your dog to play the first say oh get your dog to play the first thing they do is like wiggle the toy in thing they do is like wiggle the toy in thing they do is like wiggle the toy in the dog's face and go come on get it and the dog's face and go come on get it and the dog's face and go come on get it and for some dogs that are very sort of for some dogs that are very sort of for some dogs that are very sort of gifted with regards to genetics and
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gifted with regards to genetics and gifted with regards to genetics and their desire leaning towards that their desire leaning towards that their desire leaning towards that predatory sequence and wanting to chase predatory sequence and wanting to chase predatory sequence and wanting to chase and grab by things they'll grip onto it and grab by things they'll grip onto it and grab by things they'll grip onto it with no problem whatsoever i've seen with no problem whatsoever i've seen with no problem whatsoever i've seen hundreds and hundreds of dogs where the hundreds and hundreds of dogs where the hundreds and hundreds of dogs where the person gets the toy out and the dog goes person gets the toy out and the dog goes person gets the toy out and the dog goes oh god like i need to oh yeah yeah oh god like i need to oh yeah yeah oh god like i need to oh yeah yeah out of it now because this is going to out of it now because this is going to out of it now because this is going to be bad so i very much work on selecting be bad so i very much work on selecting be bad so i very much work on selecting an array of items that based on the an array of items that based on the an array of items that based on the history that i've got from the dog but history that i've got from the dog but history that i've got from the dog but also intuition with regards to working also intuition with regards to working also intuition with regards to working with lots of dogs that they might be with lots of dogs that they might be with lots of dogs that they might be interested in and i do something that i interested in and i do something that i interested in and i do something that i call like the choice to chase test call like the choice to chase test call like the choice to chase test whereas i basically just gather whereas i basically just gather whereas i basically just gather information on which toy the dog is most information on which toy the dog is most information on which toy the dog is most interested in chasing after once i've interested in chasing after once i've interested in chasing after once i've got that so if i've worked through sort got that so if i've worked through sort got that so if i've worked through sort of three or four items the dog usually of three or four items the dog usually of three or four items the dog usually comes up with a jackpot the jackpot is comes up with a jackpot the jackpot is comes up with a jackpot the jackpot is the one that we're going to stick with the one that we're going to stick with the one that we're going to stick with and basically what i do is develop play
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and basically what i do is develop play and basically what i do is develop play from there building into sort of being from there building into sort of being from there building into sort of being able to attach an extension to that toy able to attach an extension to that toy able to attach an extension to that toy i'm getting the dog to be able to chase i'm getting the dog to be able to chase i'm getting the dog to be able to chase it whilst it's attached to the handler it whilst it's attached to the handler it whilst it's attached to the handler not biting them in the hands but not biting them in the hands but not biting them in the hands but actually targeting the lore part of the actually targeting the lore part of the actually targeting the lore part of the toy and then building into the process toy and then building into the process toy and then building into the process from there from there from there it's and then and it's it's and then and it's it's and then and it's so that's my computer it's incredibly so that's my computer it's incredibly so that's my computer it's incredibly effective it's incredibly effective um effective it's incredibly effective um effective it's incredibly effective um and and and i i mean just watching a lot of your i i mean just watching a lot of your i i mean just watching a lot of your work work work it truly is it's wonderful to see it truly is it's wonderful to see it truly is it's wonderful to see dogs having fun and that's basically dogs having fun and that's basically dogs having fun and that's basically what training should all be about what training should all be about what training should all be about shouldn't it i mean shouldn't it i mean shouldn't it i mean if you're not having fun you're doing it if you're not having fun you're doing it if you're not having fun you're doing it wrong exactly and learning learning wrong exactly and learning learning wrong exactly and learning learning skills because you know skills because you know skills because you know obviously we we they're living in our obviously we we they're living in our obviously we we they're living in our environments aren't they so that we have environments aren't they so that we have environments aren't they so that we have to to to we have to teach them how to live in a we have to teach them how to live in a we have to teach them how to live in a strange world that we inhabit strange world that we inhabit strange world that we inhabit um um um because at the end of the day they are because at the end of the day they are because at the end of the day they are dogs with dogs with
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dogs with very large i mean very large i mean very large i mean very large teeth i think a lot of the very large teeth i think a lot of the very large teeth i think a lot of the time as well people overlook time as well people overlook time as well people overlook how organic it is for a dog to use their how organic it is for a dog to use their how organic it is for a dog to use their mouth in social interactions tactile mouth in social interactions tactile mouth in social interactions tactile contact etc so that a lot of the problem contact etc so that a lot of the problem contact etc so that a lot of the problem behavior dogs i work with behavior dogs i work with behavior dogs i work with are bull breeds and you know the people are bull breeds and you know the people are bull breeds and you know the people come along and they say oh you know come along and they say oh you know come along and they say oh you know they're 16 17 18 weeks or six months they're 16 17 18 weeks or six months they're 16 17 18 weeks or six months however old they are and they just won't however old they are and they just won't however old they are and they just won't stop like biting and mouthing and you stop like biting and mouthing and you stop like biting and mouthing and you know it it can get really really serious know it it can get really really serious know it it can get really really serious but we don't want it to get really but we don't want it to get really but we don't want it to get really serious but they're not thinking serious but they're not thinking serious but they're not thinking typically all people tend to think is typically all people tend to think is typically all people tend to think is how do i stop them doing that rather how do i stop them doing that rather how do i stop them doing that rather than what can i get them to do instead than what can i get them to do instead than what can i get them to do instead which is just you know the very basic which is just you know the very basic which is just you know the very basic principle of alternatively reinforcing principle of alternatively reinforcing principle of alternatively reinforcing behaviors and behaviors and behaviors and typically if we can teach the dog and typically if we can teach the dog and typically if we can teach the dog and give them an outlet for this desire to give them an outlet for this desire to give them an outlet for this desire to bite onto things and then teach lots of bite onto things and then teach lots of bite onto things and then teach lots of desirable control behaviors around that desirable control behaviors around that
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desirable control behaviors around that but you're facilitating the dog's need but you're facilitating the dog's need but you're facilitating the dog's need but you're also facilitating your but you're also facilitating your but you're also facilitating your requirement usually for some type of requirement usually for some type of requirement usually for some type of safety to be able to have the dog follow safety to be able to have the dog follow safety to be able to have the dog follow instruction willingly during that period instruction willingly during that period instruction willingly during that period of time which is something you know of time which is something you know of time which is something you know still to this day victoria like i do still to this day victoria like i do still to this day victoria like i do lots of different things primarily based lots of different things primarily based lots of different things primarily based around problem behaviors at this point around problem behaviors at this point around problem behaviors at this point in my life in my life in my life but the principles of introduction to but the principles of introduction to but the principles of introduction to play are so so beneficial with the array play are so so beneficial with the array play are so so beneficial with the array from sports dogs to somebody that's you from sports dogs to somebody that's you from sports dogs to somebody that's you know just retired and they've got their know just retired and they've got their know just retired and they've got their first dog from a rescue center and they first dog from a rescue center and they first dog from a rescue center and they want to build like a really solid want to build like a really solid want to build like a really solid relationship understand what relationship understand what relationship understand what reinforcement is how they can use it so reinforcement is how they can use it so reinforcement is how they can use it so favorably to get alternative behaviors favorably to get alternative behaviors favorably to get alternative behaviors when they're out and about build their when they're out and about build their when they're out and about build their relationship etc for me it's something relationship etc for me it's something relationship etc for me it's something that's really really important and that's really really important and that's really really important and continues to be continues to be continues to be you know for a vast array of the you know for a vast array of the you know for a vast array of the different dogs i work with
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different dogs i work with different dogs i work with uh craig this is the reason why you come uh craig this is the reason why you come uh craig this is the reason why you come back to present again because you're so back to present again because you're so back to present again because you're so amazing and i know you've got some um amazing and i know you've got some um amazing and i know you've got some um great information to share with great information to share with great information to share with attendees so attendees so attendees so uh guys if you want to listen to craig's uh guys if you want to listen to craig's uh guys if you want to listen to craig's presentation presentation presentation register for the dog behaviour register for the dog behaviour register for the dog behaviour conference april 1st to the 3rd it's conference april 1st to the 3rd it's conference april 1st to the 3rd it's online doesn't matter where you are in online doesn't matter where you are in online doesn't matter where you are in the world you can join us and hear more the world you can join us and hear more the world you can join us and hear more of what craig has to say really of what craig has to say really of what craig has to say really excellent tips and advice for dog lovers excellent tips and advice for dog lovers excellent tips and advice for dog lovers everywhere and again it doesn't matter everywhere and again it doesn't matter everywhere and again it doesn't matter if you're a veterinarian a a regular if you're a veterinarian a a regular if you're a veterinarian a a regular just dog geek just dog geek just dog geek trainer groomer this conference is for trainer groomer this conference is for trainer groomer this conference is for you so um craig where do people find out you so um craig where do people find out you so um craig where do people find out more about you and if they are lucky to more about you and if they are lucky to more about you and if they are lucky to live nearby and they could come to the live nearby and they could come to the live nearby and they could come to the center but um where can they center but um where can they center but um where can they find more about you find more about you find more about you so the website is ogilvydogs.com um and so the website is ogilvydogs.com um and so the website is ogilvydogs.com um and then the easiest page to get hold of me then the easiest page to get hold of me then the easiest page to get hold of me is craig ogilvy dogs on instagram so is craig ogilvy dogs on instagram so
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is craig ogilvy dogs on instagram so either of those platforms also at ogilvy either of those platforms also at ogilvy either of those platforms also at ogilvy dogs on facebook any of those you're dogs on facebook any of those you're dogs on facebook any of those you're more than welcome to have a look we've more than welcome to have a look we've more than welcome to have a look we've got lots of uh details on the website got lots of uh details on the website got lots of uh details on the website you can reach out to me via email or you can reach out to me via email or you can reach out to me via email or alternatively drop us a dm on instagram alternatively drop us a dm on instagram alternatively drop us a dm on instagram thank you so much thank you so much thank you so much we will see you at the conference we will see you at the conference we will see you at the conference thank you so much victoria thank you for thank you so much victoria thank you for thank you so much victoria thank you for inviting me thank you everybody for inviting me thank you everybody for inviting me thank you everybody for tuning in have a lovely day