셰이프 바이 독 라이브: 친구들과 함께하는 200회 특집 기념!

post share this link for people to come and join us and then come back in the comments and write shared and whoever we have to we have to be able to go back and look so if it's say shared Facebook shared Twitter wherever you shared it Instagram and then come on back here and write share it in the comments and you'll be eligible that's all it is hello Annie so many people okay I want to scroll down and see some more of these favorite moments um train the dog in front of you that's a positive is not permissive really good perch work your dog is doing the best okay thank you Liz for saying that one um that's that's a huge one I want the world to really grasp they're all our dogs are always doing the best Donna really good one episode number 150 on mindset was a really good one so thank you those are uh amazing podcast episodes and um I mean I think any giveaway my first put a note in the chat if you have watched episode 200 today if you got a chance to watch it so we decided as a team in celebration of this celebration for just one week we are going to open all of our classrooms at the lowest investment that you will ever see it at so for just one week and so I'm going to share a link that if you go over there you can you can join any one of our classrooms tonight and if you scroll to the bottom of that page you will see a PDF that I'm giving away and it is on how to build your own snuffle mat so it's it's a step-by-step it's actually my sister-in-law wrote it she's like tactical genius on Sops and she built a bunch of snuffle mats um you know engaging the help of her daughter and her daughter's friends so they made there's a picture of them all making stuff on that so that you can find that PDF if you for everybody so that's the first giveaway I got giveaways for everybody tonight but that's the first one if you just go to um right now shape by dog.com forward slash 200 two things are going to happen you can join one of our programs and I have a prize for the first person who joins one of the programs just saying um Join one of our programs but also you can download there's there's I'm going to give it away there's two PDFs in there and whoever goes over there tell me the name of the second PDF okay um I I'll tell you what what is if you have not gone over there the most non-dog training thing that gets mentioned on my PDFs the most more than anything if you've listened to my podcast you know the most the most not Samuel nailed it vegan chocolate chip recipes all right so um yeah we that that's awesome so um you know what Samuel you I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna send uh Samuel a shirt so see my shirt my be

kind shirt Samuel I'm going to send you one so you just write us over at wagatdogzat.com somebody on my team was going to contact you because the the thing I I mentioned more than anything else is vegan chocolate chip cookies I'm giving away a recipe to my favorite and it's a modified version this is my favorite favorite um vegan chocolate chip recipe books or it's a single recipe you can get it over there too so um go on over there and get try it I want you all to try this recipe it's gluten-free it's vegan and um it's super yummy it's pretty healthy I call it practically a salad guys because you know what's in it almond butter almond right it's a nut it goes in salads maple syrup it's it's from a tree uh coconut oil a banana walnuts practically a salad my friends grab that recipe my most favorite favorite um chocolate chip recipe I'm like I I'm good on you guys for realizing the most the most common non-dog dog thing that I mentioned on that is my vegan chocolate chip recipes so um okay so um there is over there I know there's um I think disc Craig games is already pretty discounted so I don't I know pedicure please is discounted and homeschool the dog and recallers if you go to our our website and check in the store you'll see that there's um the the best in prices you'll ever see in our programs just for one week we're just doing it for one week in celebration of this and it was just kind of a Spur them on thing I I said to my team let's do that okay um what if you already have a lot of classes then Crystal oh I'm so glad you asked this here's what's going to happen if you already have all of our classes do we have the opportunity for people to gift there there you go you can gift to a friend right can gift for a friend okay welcome to handling 360 Quinn tonight's your night tonight's your night you can join um okay so tonight I want to I told all of my um all my guests I said I really want to inspire dog owners and dog trainers I want to uh to inspire them to move Beyond and and so that was I've I've spoke to each and every one of these presenters and said um you know you we can talk about whatever you feel in your heart you want to share but the the basic the basis of what I want this to be about I want this 200th celebration to be about um what's possible and inspiring people from where they are to another place and I'm going to tell you we have um professional everybody here is a professional dog trainer except two people one of them is one of our students that I asked to be on because she she's a mother of three she has uh you know works at full time and and um

has a rescue she had a German shepherd and then got a rescue rescue Malinois so if that isn't juggling a lot of balls I don't know what is so I wanted her to talk about what it's like working through because you all know that I was on this podcast recently and and the what people talked about was oh you all those layers you're talking about nobody's got that kind of time we all have lives and I'm like well I have a life too and and I know all my students have lives and and it and it does work so she's going to tell you about like that a little bit about that then I've got another special guest he is epic another non-dog trainer he is a psychotherapist and I have mentioned him on my podcast before his name is Elliot Connie and he does something called solution Focus brief therapy where they are it's basically what we do looking for the good and helping people through their therapy to move Beyond whatever struggle they have be it depression or relationship problems moving beyond that focusing on Solutions he's a fascinating man so that's just a couple yes Elliot Carla said Elliot Elliott was a guest on our Inner Circle in December our Inner Circle live he was a surprise guest um so yeah we've got a lot of a lot of amazing people okay uh our first guest is have you heard from him okay we are we are going to go out of order if Simone and Nadine are ready we will go right to them first and I think they are okay so you first met Simone in Nadine on the podcast well you didn't actually technically meet them but I spoke about Simona Nadine I bragged about them they're amazing let me just read so I don't just tell you you know gush about them um Nadine Hill and Simone fazelle are pioneers of reward-based training in Europe and among the Avid students of Susan Garrett Nadine was personally mentored by Susan and traveled throughout Europe and Canada to learn from a variety of workshops and conferences she did she was like a little bit of a stalker I wasn't too concerned because she seemed kind of nice um and in order to continuously improve her Knowledge and Skills in animal training uh Simone and Nadine offer a two-year training program online memberships and courses for pen for pet owners and dog lovers in in hoopers and other other programs several thousand students participating in their online programs that has been translated into five languages mine haven't Nadine study geography and biology while Simon Simone studied psychology and pedagogy they you'll have to Google that when I did they trained their dogs in various disciplines and taken Fosters with difficult histories so I'm going to bring Simone and welcome ladies

hello hi Hi how are you so fine very good the world got to meet Frida today um on the podcast and why don't you paint a picture of just like the first moments when you picked her up did you intend on keeping her like what what happened there yes yes so first of all congratulations to the 200th episode very exciting and thank you so much for that awesome Frida podcast uh today I'm so so proud of what you guys have been able to do it's been amazing thank you so yes uh Frida we actually we intended to keep her so she was never supposed to be just a foster dog like we take in Foster dogs from time to time but with her we actually we wanted to keep her well I wanted to no more decided than I was but yeah Freda just somehow stole my heart so wait a minute you wanted to Simone you must have been crushed when she attached herself to Nadine [Laughter] beginning it was kind of okay for me because I thought yeah it will be more Nadine's dog so it was kind of okay so um when you first got her what were your first impressions because first impressions are so important foreign yeah she was certainly very impressive that certainly the perfect word to describe her behavior yes and she's like you would say an intense thought like when you meet her she's like a lot of dog because she's not big but she's just yeah like a lot of talk that's true we already knew she had a lot of Behavioral issues so we got a really long list but we didn't knew that she has also really severe separation anxiety and we noticed of course immediately that this was so what did they tell you was her how did they describe her that might be better um she was she had too much energy for everybody to handle her and she had a very strong hunting Instinct and actually um she was described as that bad a polar uh Unleashed that nobody would take for her for walks anymore and yeah yeah and he was like afraid of people afraid of other dogs like there was a lot of excitement for her but at the same time she was scared of stuff so it's just it was just difficult to handle her but we were kind of prepared for all of this but not actually for the separation anxiety so that was just like on top of it so yeah [Laughter] so um now in a situation like that it's so easy for people and I've had I've heard it when people rescue dogs that they um they label those dogs by their past faults or their past mistakes or um and so was that something that either that ever happened to the two of you of it we try uh not to do it because I think especially with rescue dogs it's so important to not be intimidated by by a label because it it doesn't really matter right like it's just you just

want to get the first training steps in like it's it's not about the what people describe the dog to be but it's just about how can you take the first steps and then just go from there but it's certainly an area where there will be a lot of labels so normally the whole description of a rescue dog when you read it online it's normally a lot of labels so yeah we really feel uh you shouldn't be intimidated by labels other have put on that talk so but another go ahead go ahead Nadine we had another uh case the year uh before which was uh quite an extreme aggression uh case the Foster dog that we talked but it didn't matter to us like we like the first step this dog took into our house we just we never really talked about his aggression anymore we just started his training and we just like we were very careful with him uh obviously when we like handled him and everything but it was just about starting the training just about yeah we always changed the name of the dog and then a new chapter starts exactly through that for sure for sure and um so during the training you you know all about the the hunting Instinct that's so strong and her wanting to pull the surprise of the separation anxiety was there any time during the process us where you just went like what have we gotten ourselves into this is crazy actually no because we so much trust the process and uh actually really of course thanks to you we we now feel so yeah yeah we feel secure that's that's just uh um taking us training steps and like if there is a point where you might say well it's not like going fast enough or it's not like the exactly the correct direction or something then you can always change something right you can always think about what else can we do what what other uh approaches uh might there be I think that a lot of times especially with rescues and I know a lot of people reading or listening to this have had rescues or maybe you're thinking of getting a rescue but we have this Vision in our mind of of um of really this is what it's supposed to be like with a dog and then we have the reality of this is what it's like and that big gap is what causes so much second doubt so many um people feeling anxious and really anxiety and stress comes in and we see it even in our online students and probably you guys see it in your students where people go um this isn't working or I don't know what else to do or I'm so frustrated and when I when I see people writing things like that I know that you have a vision of where you should be instead of looking at where you are and saying what can I do what one thing can I do today to make this dog's life more

joyful and when we focus just on that Joy then things just keep getting better so but it's hard it's difficult for many people but like you said if you if you can just trust the process and it's all about um it's not about the dog you think you want or the think you should have you think you should have it's about the dog in front of you do you love her and I know you two loved her right from the moment you got her yeah definitely yes that makes a big difference so is there something you say to your students when they get stuck in that Gap and then they start blaming the dog and saying this dog isn't teachable or this dog can't learn whatever yeah we always try to um so it's always important not to Focus too much on the problem behaviors actually you don't have to get rid of problem behaviors first you can just start building new desired behaviors and this will also help keep you motivated because you will see a success in every training step and every living being has just 24 hours except maybe Susan Garrett seems to have some more hours but um I mean if if the dog has less time to practice The Unwanted behavior and uses up more time to exercise the desired Behavior yeah you you will be easily motivated to keep on yeah like for example with the leash walking like it's not even necessary to think about the pulling and think about and how can we stop the pulling you just start to teach like healing like you talk it's fun working by myself yes yeah it's not the focus shouldn't be on the stopping of something right like that because I think when you're doing that again you're just creating more anxiety for yourself she's still pulling she's not stopping no well how's her healing how's your reaction it's hard to fight against uh reinforcers that have been built up for years in Frida's case just for one year but yeah this is a great quote from Tristan it's so hard to check our expectations and egos at the door it's just so important our dogs need that from us they absolutely they they need it and it and it's super tough and so now you've added a new puppy and how's that Dynamics in your house oh actually we took it very slow at the beginning so we always like uh just introduce a new dog like one at a time to the other ones and then we would uh first just bring them together on walks and then we use um like gates in the house to just take it slow and like this now we are on a really good uh track and uh like there is more excitement again of course because everything changes a little bit but it's yeah Frida is actually pretty fantastic yeah and it's it's it's so worth the time because we really want them to be

really great friends for many many years so we we like to take it slow and really yeah build a good relationship a good relationship yeah it's worth that investment for sure um if you if you could um if there's one thing you wish that pet owners understood that if they understood this one thing that their life with their dog would be so much easier their life with their dog would be so much more um I don't know it'd be more harmonious what what would you say that one thing would be you could I asked you either both of you and I'm just going to say you're messing up people's minds because it says Simone and Nadine but you're sitting opposite to where your names are too bad doing this all the time switching it's just to keep them on their toes okay so what would be the one thing that you wish pet owners could we could we could get pet owners to understand quickly I I will go first and I would just say really see the front at the dock in front of you as you already said Susan so it's so important to not uh think in labels but just watch the um behavior and then go one step from there so you just see what the dog is doing and then you decide what will be the next step you you need and then there will always be success yeah I think it's about layers like because all of the training is done in layers right and the magical thing about layers is that at some point there will be this magical moment where you will have a situation that you maybe did not prepare for but it still works out completely great because everything like comes together like all of the training that you have done um like all the layers like come together and then you just realize like wow like with Frida I had several of these moments like wow now she's able to do this but I haven't really prepared well I have prepared her with the layers but not like this specific situation right so then it like like the efficiency of the training just expels ex Excel yeah yeah and um I think that's that is what is oh cool and I think that is um those are two really good ones that if people understood that that behavior it it's more um it's more consistent it's easier for you it's easier for the dog to have consistency if there are tiny layers versus trying to get something in a big step like you're trying to get your dog to jump up on something and you use a cookie right you're trying to get them onto the top of something and you know what I might do is take the mat that's on the top of it and put it on the ground and shape them to jump on there and have joy for that and then we might take that whatever big high thing and lower it half that distance and then put

that mat on there they'll jump up easy boom boom boom boom you know you could get them with a cookie lure but there's you're building in that that hesitancy that unsure and you're probably gonna have to go back to it many many times but what we're talking about is empowering the dog and I think remember uh last week when we were on a zoom so the three of us jump on zoom and we'd geek out about science we were talking about the power of um choice but by empowering a dog that what is more reinforcing than reinforcement and and that is that the dog has agency to to be in control of of their reinforcement and I think um shaping behaviors is a big part of that definitely like there is control all the time right like in yeah in in shaping the dog is in control and then yeah this control is just a huge reinforcer for them itself so like this yes it's just and it's maybe especially it can be especially seen in dogs who are afraid of different things so Frida really panicked uh in different situations and giving her this training this Choice Based training where she was really in control actually when we did pick the puppy up she she traveled with us and was the first time in a hotel and she was just a superstar really because she felt like I am control uh in control here and she would have been freaked out yeah yeah in the beginning but now thanks to those layers and thanks to really experiencing that she is in charge of the situations yes which is funny because when I first started dog training as a balanced dog trainer um back then it was all about being in control of the dog so that they know you're in control you need they need to know that they have to and the the funny thing is that I mean my dogs back then were wonderful in spite of how I trained them but that when we give them that power of that control that the the um understanding and the willingness to do as we ask so the irony is what people try to get by making a dog do something comes naturally when you hand over the control and you allow the dog to guide the session and unless you really understand layers of learning it may sound like we're letting these dogs run amok and do anything they want um but it's not it's just it's choice-based training where you set up all of the contingencies to get the behavior you want so that you can reinforce a dog I mean that's that's all we eat it's so important for the mental health of every living being to be in control yeah so if we don't have the feeling of control it's where depressions start um yeah that's such a great point is yeah think of times when you see that you have no power over what what people are saying or doing and

um yeah at first you might be frustrated but what if you're locked into that that what that would do to your your spirit first then your mind and then your body [Music] um so this is a great quote from people I see one a quick fix because they feel the layers take too long what they don't realize is management lasts the whole lifetime the whole lifetime okay that's a quote that deserves a prize right that is another ironic thing that you don't want to be bothered putting in the layers you don't have time to put in the layers for your dog which honestly that I kind of have a problem with that mentality because I've decided you're not worth the investment of my time therefore that gives me the right to use Force to get you to do what I want and um I think maybe a goldfish would have been a better choice of a pet then so um but actually it really doesn't take long so I think they don't have that's the misunderstanding yeah completely I mean we don't have Frida for a year now it's not no only for several months and that means she's people would think she's uh yeah from very planned breeding and excellent upbringing and fantastic training from the beginning so yeah like how old was she when you got her it was one year when we got her okay so similar to tater salad then oh yes oh yes it was 15 15 months I think when we got him okay surprise k you are the first to win a be kind flyer so it's a soft frizzer and um I actually don't even have one of these yet well I kind of do because I got mine in the box but my dogs have never played with one so okay that's a that's a great quote that's awesome um yeah that is that is the the craziness is that people don't realize how fast this happens yes yes so the Frida it was super fast like we had some really great successes after 10 days and then of course everything had to be generalized more and like and of course there was more training uh happening and then after two months like she was she was just a pet and just nothing always on the first day we start with the first three callers exercise and then we just progress with the games that's that's amazing um and that is how it happens if like Simone said at the beginning trust the process right when you just play the games and even if you aren't a hundred percent sure let the dog tell you if things are going well and if your only measure is the dog's level of willingness to play with you their willingness to to buy into that session the the temp that says I'm having fun right and if that's your that's all you need as your benchmark it being correct isn't as important as that absolutely very true yes yes and I also I think it's like any like all the

training you can do like as soon as you start there will be an improvement like it's yeah it's just um like you can do so much training and then there will be so much improvement like it's just yeah just follows the rules um so what about the people who their first time dog owner and um they have a problem like all of this sounds really good because the three of us are professional dog trainers how can we instill in that first time dog trainer there is light at the end of the tunnel and it's not a train like how do we get them to to trust the process we certainly would always suggest finding a mentor so in every area of life it's so good to to be coached and today yeah to have somebody sharing their knowledge with you so yeah graciously do so we would always suggest joining recolors of course for a first time that's actually that's a really good point because um there's so much content that people put out for free online and not all of it is really worth investing your time in so there's something more important than uh investing your money in a program yes so recallers I think today is on it's uh I think it's probably five hundred dollars and on the website it's seven or eight hundred dollars so it is people's got 500 that's an investment but worse than a the 500 is the investment of your time spending a year trying to do something with your dog that isn't the right path and you're going to end up in a worse place if you invest and that's something I believed in it's such an important Point Simone everything I've ever done when I wanted to learn about Fitness when I wanted to learn about sprinting when I wanted to learn about music or about business about of course animal training it's always I've always always had you know many more than just one Mentor in a year so that's great yeah yeah and that's awesome that people can join recallers tonight because of course there is so much awesome information now with 200 podcast episodes but of course like the step by like if you just need the step by step and just need the program to like this is where you start this is the first game and then from there you go to the second game and so on so yeah definitely I actually started the podcast for our recolor students because I looked at recallers as the the like the foundation blocks to have this amazing relationship but maybe those blocks needed some mortar in between and to fill in the gaps so that people had a better understanding of what we were sharing in recallers and so that's really why we started the podcast was uh to help other to help bring Clarity and confidence to that and so yeah that's

that was the motivation to to get the podcast going and then of course we understood that we are helping so many other dog owners that maybe um lived in a country where where they couldn't afford to to join one of our programs but but when it's you know when it's possible for you that's exactly what Nadine did she uh she did you were you you were a member of recolors before you started following me to seminars right when I was in Europe he actually started with the sport of agility to be able to come to an agility seminar with you yes so yes we were in recolors already and then we saw oh she's coming to Europe but it was for agility so then we were like okay we have to train a dog agility so that we can participate that is so funny and um and then yeah and then um later on she can she came in and um uh answered a job to come and be here and be mentored and and then then it's just how many times were you over here in was it two or three times mentoring times it was for four times one year it was twice so oh that's right so it's been amazing um so um do we have Elliot in I don't see Elliot in the room in a minute and then yeah so we're just going to keep talking because oh so this morning Linda and I were talking about how and this was mentioned in the podcast and that was the first thing you talked about uh Linda's in a group um uh horse group or they're is it is it Rehabilitation fear and horses is that what you're talking about it's always behavior and they and they talk about that it's you know it's it's not just training it's the physiology of the animal right it's the um you know in horses generally we talk about the need for um friends and freedom no there's another f friends foraging and freedom right so with with dogs like we we have to fill their their cup their spiritual cup we have to fill what they need um and it's nutrition and it's exercise and it's um whatever that enrichment is for that particular breed so yeah like Frida I bet you um scenting is a big part of what fills her cup and so like she's a very social dog too so she really also needs the interaction with uh with other dogs um and I was saying this I was out for supper with a couple of friends who had a problem with her dog and and um I said there's some things that will take you years to incrementally improve on a behavior problem that if you change the nutrition um that you will see a change in that dog like the brain fog gets lifted so you know there's just so many other things other than just um is how can we fix this yeah look at the whole animal stress is um affecting the digestive system but it's also the other way around so the digestion is also

affecting how the the brain works so if we really take care of good nutrition it will just help improve Behavior so we always feel that's a super important part and also there we work with our um special coach who helps us yes we all need a mentor yeah definitely yeah so with every dog we take in also every Foster dog we would also look at the nutrition uh on the first day too and try to figure it all out and uh improve and this is it is a huge part as as you say like it's always you think um we cannot get the same level of uh and I mean when we took Frida into really I have never seen such cheap food we've worked a long time in rescue but it was at the cheapest food I've ever seen and of course her digestive system was just uh ruined so of course you need to take care of the microbiome and this will yeah so you help improve uh the behavior and then the other thing you said about uh exercise that's I think that's a huge one too like uh also with the example with Frida that was like because she's a dog with so much energy right and uh before she came to us she was living like in a backyard and not getting any exercise anymore so then we started also to build her body up actually and just to yeah so now she can go for this like like I um take her with the bike and she just runs and she just can get all this energy out of her body so this is a huge part of course too this is such a you know John said I need a mentor to bounce ideas off and this is how it works you decide where your passion is and for most of people watching this it is dogs and and then you you decide what Mentor what community is your people and then you join in the community of it and that's where people will come to homeschool the dog or recallers or just hang out at shape by dogs and then then you decide okay I've got the hang of it I want to elevate my my understanding and so you then will go to a higher level so in our program we have the Inner Circle which is a a smaller intimate group where we do have more what you have one-on-one discussions and then every once in a while if we put out we've got a mentorship then um then then you get to pick my brain thank you ladies I'm going to let you go uh yeah we're talking to you tonight okay so um there's there's um you know a lot of okay Swagger we're not closing this is going to happen a lot um so there's a lot of there's a lot of um different levels and people are saying well what if I can't afford recoilers if you can't afford recallers well we've got homeschool the dog it's a great place to get very similar but in a smaller scale of of our programs okay all right we are going to jump right in

and I've got a a special guest that I mentioned right off the top he's a very good friend of mine his name is Elliot Connie and Elliot I'll just bring him on well you know what I'm going to read your bio first Elliot uh he's an experienced psychotherapist who applied who applies solution Focus approach to help individuals couples and families move towards their desired Futures he founded the solution-focused universe an online learning platform that provides training for professionals so other psychotherapists Elliott has spoken at conferences worldwide authored four books on social Focus based approach um and uh and he's in the midst of getting a television deal is that not right Elliot I've got to tell him well yes can you tell us anything about that is feel the beans just a bit they were just dog owners right here like it's hard to get too much trouble Elliot there are some things happening when there's some things happening that's what I'll say okay I literally had who's gonna be the producer director of it tell you that well Tiffany haddish is going to be the executive producer I can tell you that yes sir um it's crazy I had a crazy day like meeting with I could jump on zoom and I'm like oh my I know you from like every movie ever and like every it's been crazy it's been crazy Elliot uh so Elliot has a podcast you have one podcast or do you have more than one I have one podcast called the AHA moments which is like a five minute podcast my obsession is inspiring people to be the very best version of them so if they can possibly be so when I started thinking about a podcast I was like man I don't want to just interview famous people and just be like talking about gossip and pop culture so my podcast is like five minutes of something every single day that's gonna put a smile on your face fill your heart and make you be the best version of yourself it is every bit of that and more and so if people don't know what solution brief therapy is like how does that contrast to regular therapy if somebody you know just needs a therapist at some point how do you what is the contrast between that you know so here's what I'm gonna that's always a hard question for me to answer so again that I'm in a room full of dog people I'm gonna use dogs as an example for this answer I remember going to Susan's house and um the only and Susan's gonna get so mad at me for saying this but the only the only like dog trainer I knew was Cesar Millan on on like television and then I'm hanging out with Susan and I'm like What's the difference what Susan does and what everybody else does and the difference is in her heart like when you watch Susan interact with

dogs it is very evident that she loves dogs and because you love dogs it impacts how you talk to them how to treat them it impacts how you ask them to perform so I would say the difference between solution Focus brief therapy and additional psychotherapy is evident that I love my clients that's a word I think most psychotherapists are not comfortable using but I don't understand why I didn't say I was in love with my clients but like I'm I love my clients it impacts how I talk to them it impacts how I ask them to perform it impacts how I do what I do and a conversation that is about Solutions brief therapy it's a conversation that's about inviting the best version of your client into the room so that things change when I watched I watched Susan do this incredible thing where like she said sit move forward and the dog did exactly what Susan did and I was so blown away because it didn't look like commands it looked like an invitation and it was like the dog was like responding to the invitation that Susan was getting and I would say that's the difference is when I'm doing therapy I'm not asking my clients to change I'm not making my clients change I'm not commanding my clients to change I'm respected respectfully and lovingly inviting them to change and I think that's what Solutions therapy is about that's beautiful and so I know you uh Elliot and you're always like so immotivated and and you spoke about that on your podcast I think yesterday or one day this week and um you know there are times when you're training your dog that things aren't going so swell and it's hard to stay motivated so what would you say to people that get in that position uh well first thing I'll say we all get in that position because we're all human but I think there are two things that helped me overcome that position number one I never forget when I dreamed about these problems and what I mean by that is like if I wake up on a day like I just I I just went on a little bit of a European tour I was in France I was in Germany and then I was in England and there are days you wake up and you're like I'm so tired from jet lag and I always remember I remember being like I grew up as a like my father was super abusive and like we'd have a lot of money and I remember being like I used to dream about waking up jet lagged in Europe and and that changes your perspective when you never forget where you came from and why you started and I think the second thing is teaching yourself to have gratitude about everything like everything I think sometimes we remember to have gratitude about like I'm so thankful that I have my 200th podcast which by the way shout out to Susan

congratulations but like I want you to have gratitude that like I woke up this thing and my feet touched the floor and I could feel the cold tile on my floor on my feet and I know a lot of people woke up today and they couldn't feel it and a lot of people woke up today and they couldn't move and so I mean like having gratitude about like everything because then what happens on that day when your dog is not performing and you're really really frustrated you remember that like I love this dog you remember that like I used to dream about having a dog like this and there's one day going to be a day when this dog is too old to perform there's one thing to be a day where I have to say goodbye to this dog and you're and on the day when you say goodbye to the dog you're gonna miss the dog the day when the dog didn't perform and was barking when you didn't want it to bark and I've I've trained my brain to be grateful of everything including my problems all of it I love it all absolutely that is such an amazing approach and uh why you're such a special human that yeah to I mean gratitude is my favorite of all the virtues I uh you know if and those of you listening if you do not write in a gratitude Journal at night um you know start off just before you go to bed and think of three things you're grateful for and then when you feel like you're in a you know you're more into this groove then pull out the Gratitude journal and it will change you and um and when you are in that tough spot I just Elliot I love that line about go back and think about why you got a dog in the first place right yeah for real go back and think about go back and think about why did you start doing the thing you started doing and remember I once dreamed about the day I had these kinds of problems this is it Robin said be grateful in the moment as opposed only in hindsight you try to be present for that okay we're giving giving away a gratitude prize for robin look at this a tug toy with a I think that's a chuckit ball on the end of that so um it's a dogs that tug toy Robin it's gonna put your name on it uh I just you know what I kind of feel a little bit like Oprah Elliott I'm giving away so many prizes here tonight it's awesome are you gonna make cars you get a car if you'll get a car we're not we're not quite at that level but we are getting there so if there was um and and you may have already answered this if if you think of all of the people who've come through your office door and if there is one thing you could wish for them to believe in their own in their own heart like a hundred percent you could snap your fingers and they

would believe this one thing what would it be that they're awesome um I I think I think we walk around on this planet believing lie yeah and the LIE we all believe is that our flaws are more impactful than our brilliance and if there was one thing I could Snap My Fingers people do is I want to switch that because we all have Brilliance we all have flaws I want everybody to know that your Brilliance is far more impactful and far more noticeable than your flaws and when you become more attuned to your Brilliance then you make decisions that are in line with your brilliance when you you become more in tune with your brilliance then it makes you more resilient it makes you more ambitious it makes you more gratuitous it makes you more hopeful it literally transforms your life because the greatest lesson I could ever share with anybody is your Brilliance is important and your flaws are irrelevant that's what that would be the one thing oh my gosh you are just so cool and um I could you have to come back Elliot and so we can just have like have uh go on forever but I have other guests that I have to bring on and no problem thank you for being here Elliot doesn't even have a dog but his his mentality just resonates so much with what we do and so um thank you my friend for being on and no thank you for having me say hi to you Elliot Swagger's saying yes don't don't I I said hi Mac and I I can't wait till I return to Ontario and I can hang out with you amazing family of dogs and not go for a walk around the pond and get my shoes try to get Elliot to take his feet his shoes off and walk with me Barefoot around the property no it's a city kid uh so so one thing I don't do is walk around barefooting grass because it makes my feet get itchy and pretty and gross um but I I love being around Susan Susan is one of the most amazing humans I've ever seen in every human knows Susan and every dog who knows Susan is better for it and I consider myself so great if I have a friend like Susan I love Susan uh thank you thank you thank you I love you too buddy and let's have some hearts for Elliot and we'll talk soon Elliot thank you so much up okay did I not tell you he's like amazing and yes he absolutely needs his own television show this is crazy all right um we're giving away some more prizes uh I said I was gonna give away a prize for our first student who signed up we had two first students so um Tristan we're gonna contact you because we know who you are now signed up for pedicure please and Claudia signed up for agility nation and we are going to send each of you a be kind shirt that's what you're getting you're

getting be kind boom okay uh he needs a couple of dogs Elliot there's rumors like we're working on him moving from the states up into Canada for at least having a second house he just loves it up here so um yeah that's my that's my dream our next guest let bio out and because he lives in England and he also was a good friend of mine camel Fernandez is a professional dog sports coach International seminar speaker long time student of our programs and he's been here and trained with me in person over the past 20 years he lives with variety of dogs of various breeds and um his I mean his he had a boxer punch who was just such an impressive dog to watch uh competes and coaches at the highest level he currently is a head trainer of his own camel Fernandez dog training where he offers both online and on-site training welcome camel you're muted you just have to unmute yourself what time is it over there uh it is now Sunny one o'clock in the morning so only for you Susan Garrett only for you that's all I had to follow Elliot of all the Polly people though I was like oh my God look at this listen to this amazing human I want to talk about nonsense dog training yeah oh I don't have any of that I'm sorry no and when when I talk about like I'll I'll text him or we'll pick up the point I'll say uh he said I can't talk now I'm in a I'm in a meeting with blank and I'm like oh my gosh can I come yeah he's and and he's uh you know he's humble and he's uh like he's he's amazing and so I was like oh my God I need to be taking notes I didn't realize that Susan had to throw a curveball and get this amazing guy on the thing before me damn it I knew I should have been on time and been early damn it 1am damn it damn it no he is um I just thought for our 200th episode I want to inspire people I want to people to to bring out their best to become to get in touch with their higher self and be that person for their dogs and so that's really what um that's really why I asked him to be on and he doesn't even hesitate I said you're just talking to pet owners just it's just it's dog trainers and pet owners he's like I'm there I'm there he didn't even hesitate he's such a you know he's a great guy okay Camille tell me what is going to happen in your life this year that's going to be amazing uh well this year we're talking dogs we're talking life um come on okay yeah dog wise uh I'm literally uh well craft starts uh tomorrow officially and I'm competing there on Saturday and Sunday with two dogs so that's pretty and two dogs that I bred so that's pretty exciting um so that's yeah that's pretty cool and then I appreciate you being on this call

at one o'clock in the morning in spite of having to I told you it's fuses and you know that you know you know I think we've used no it's never a problem um so that's coming up and then uh there's an exciting project that's due to be I don't know if I can say it but it's on the lines of um well it's pretty great it's coming out in the end of March um it's a a a televisiony to thing that's all I can say at the moment I don't think they've done the big press thing so that's quite cool all on uh reinforcement based dog training so that's it Tiffany haddish involved at all no she said no to this unfortunately and I know Elliot that's why I definitely if Missy was there I'd be there people don't know that about you so when I went to see the small little ditty Susan was Blazing on her um her speakers in her front garden um hip-hop and I was a little like oh as we were trading dogs it was the coolest thing ever yeah um I love all music but yes um well that's really cool about the the television show okay so I've got a question I asked the girls and that is um what do you think I'm going to ask it in a different way what do you feel that um first time dog owners what is the biggest dumpling block to them having success with their dog oh God that's a great question um I think it's uh consistency and probably mindset I think of the two things um consistency uh I think that it's very easy to uh to let things go reinforcement is all around us and I think people aren't always aware of that and you know which you know being aware of what you're reinforcing I think is a huge part of people getting the results that they want and their mindset the belief system that you know um they can't or they won't like the dog the label they attach to the dog whether it's the breed label the rescue label the re-home label whatever the label it is that people attach the dogs which stops them from achieving the things that they absolutely can and I think as a self-fulfilling prophecy isn't it right because that just that you know your belief about your dog or about your own abilities um you know that there's that belief Loop it just impacts your thoughts it impacts your emotions it impacts how much action you take in your dog training and and then then the lack of action or the wrong action ends up with outcomes that proves your original beliefs that I am not I I don't have value I don't know what I'm doing my dog is stubborn my dog is spiteful whatever those are um yeah that's those are two really really good ones Camille yeah um that and I look back think back to when I know I was always I was always a Keener with my dog my very first dog that I

trained formally like I would come home from class and I would no computers back then I would get out the graph paper and I make a chart of all the things they told us to practice and how many times we had to practice and I'd make a square for every time we were supposed to practice in a day and and I would check that off um every time I did it I was a Keener um yeah most people they they which is what you know which I I mean you know I'm a huge fan follower of what you do recallers you know I always say I'm was there with the brown recall as the original brand new corners um you know now I'm technically a brown recaller but for a whole other reason but um my friend yeah I'm sorry you had to dedicate you know an hour of solid time to dog training and it's just that that whole five minute thing five minutes five minutes and it's being present and intentional about your training and the way in which you interact and engage with your dog and you know um what I love about your approach to training and your philosophy is it isn't just about which is you know listening to Elliot was really uh profound because it goes beyond the Realms of dog training dog training is your your conduit to send that message and the methodology and um the the approaches obviously Echo that but it goes beyond that you know and having you know been around you and seen you it you know it isn't this is not just Susan Garrett for show this is Susan Garrett all the time 24 7 you know which I'm sure Kim loves um um let's not go let's not go there because sometimes it's a bit much maybe um back then we the recallers the original recolors we called it the five minute formula yeah right and and and that was what we were trying to get across to people it doesn't have to be in dog training actually shouldn't be an hour it should be woven into the fabric of your life with your dog and you do what you know on the podcast we've called the quickies that you're just getting in those little five minute training sessions they could be five second training sessions right we we all have them before I I'm going to take interrupt this uh program to I was given a note remind everybody like and these guests they're amazing we have many guests coming up and if you want to be in on the draw for the restore dog bed actually you know what I'm gonna give away two of them um from the good Folks at Blue nine I'm gonna give away one at the end of tonight and we'll give away one when we close um all of the uh classrooms that we have open right now so all you have to do is share this epic get together of inspiring people on your on your page and come on back here and write where

you shared it did you share it on Twitter did you share it on Instagram or Facebook and come on back in here and I'm going to give away two of those now I just decided you know what the people at Blue nine are really nice when I spend their money oops I gave away yeah they're awesome they're awesome people uh and what yes Linda Linda's here yay Linda hello h ah a all the time oh that's a great question for you Camille how do you think crystal says hello um Linda so how do you think about managing reinforcement all the time for your dogs because it's not just cookies we all know that yeah that's it's you know I and like I have no just to qualify this Susan has not given me any priming or uh you know to say this I know it's once you once you show your mindset into understanding that reinforcement is all around us and the way in which you engage with your dog the way in which you orchestrate your dog's life the way in which you uh you see the world through the lens of the dog well it's a game changer you know and it's like you know I constantly I I slightly jest and slightly um banter with um people that have puppies for me because I actually have a litter in the background of puppies cute puppies and they'll be obviously going to their homes it always makes me laugh about they say you know on a little Facebook Chat all my puppy's been doing X and my puppies chewed the sideboard my pup is chewed the curtain and I always respond my puppy hasn't because it's in a crate integrated Community it's like you know why would I let my dog do that stuff and then go you know and okay they're they're amazing people and I can have yeah yeah yeah but what I the point of view though once you've adjusted your mindset too well why would I let my dog do that in the same in the first place so understand think that reinforcement always happens is often and I would say this you know I say this literally tonight when I was teaching class you know reason what are you reinforcing ask yourself that constant question and understand that reinforcement people get so stuck on it being the tug toy and the food in their hand but never mind their dog's barking at them and they they put the hand down to say stop barking and that's it bang the dog's been reinforced you know things like that or the dog that pulls on the lead and you persist going forward you're reinforcing that behavior you know um so many things in which reinforcement it constantly happens and I think that's the biggest thing that people just don't get their head round enough that which is where which is why the the other option of well I'm going to use compulsion because

or a versus comes into a question and you know this is something obviously you talked at extensively that's why it becomes an option because it's it's not truly understanding that reinforcement is all around us and if you can um view the lens so I viewed the world from your dog's lens you're gonna you're gonna be able to change things and not have those issues or understand where the value is and how you switch that value back to you you know like I I had a question somebody that said ask this about um this afternoon about they've got two dogs and they constantly play how do they um you know they and the dog won't bring the ball back because it runs off with the other dog and it was that's a reinforcement issue you know where is the reinforcement where is the where is the value let's like try and manipulate the environment and therefore the dog's choices absolutely and I was um I had some people I have a little get-together of people on Saturday we were running courses getting ready for uh world team tryouts and so they're not my students necessarily and so um they train differently obviously and um I think we're at week seven of these get together and and finally I said because a lot of them are have these start lines that are not that great and I'm like can I just interject that the reinforcement is the jump jump yeah yeah yeah because in this if you're if you're keen on agility if you're thinking of trying out for the world team they probably are then you've got to realize that's the biggest reinforcement so you going back and giving them a cookie you going back and getting them to tug you going back and saying I I like all of that is reinforcing the wrong things so it's just to recognize for the individual dog what is reinforcement like do you remember my first dog Shelby and it was a rock that was her number one reinforcer all right we can go with that um it was um water and um and it is um this it's the I the opportunity to chase her mother so that is um I would say uh that might even Trump swimming like that is the biggest thing and so it's it's it's about knowing what that is for your dog so that you can strategically reinforce other things so I strategically reinforce the start line by knowing the ability to do agility is the biggest thing and and the ability and so now I've got probably one of my nicest walk-in heel position with any of my dogs is with this because it's always been reinforced not so much with cookies but with the chance to run and it's the understanding I mean obviously this has been raised you know with recallers Etc yeah within her and yeah no amount of you you know tugging Etc is ever going

to substitute because she's a herding bread border collie that's that's her ultimate thing and I think that's where often people don't and always appreciate the dog that they have in front of them and the dogs that they they're training so you know that's going to differ from you know from this to Taylor for example or from black they can have very different desires that it's your job as their owner to tap into what does this dog need what does this dog want and then utilizing that to get ultimately what you want exactly I'm trying to put in another layer with tater salad because I started this game um to keep him out of hunting in the woods I started a game I don't know last summer but maybe the summer before where we um he walks beside me and I count one two three and then I'll throw a cookie Somewhere In The Deep grass that he has to find it right and I'm like okay I don't want it always to be about cookies so I was going to transfer it to you pick up this tug toy only this one little tug toy if you find it on the path then you give me cookies it works great in the house but he's like yeah no I need primary right now I'm not really going to anything else outside you want me to stay out of there so it's um it's it's interesting anyway Kamal I'm I'm getting the word that we are we are uh now I'm kind of on track I got a couple more minutes with Camille do I not yeah yeah I can I can yeah I got another one um okay Camille as a dog trainer what do you feel is your superpower oh god um or this is one I didn't think I actually had it was actually empathy and compassion yeah and I didn't think I had that funny enough and that I've developed that with time and age and um experience I think everything to be a cop you'd have to have some emphasis right and that's where it stemmed from that's where it stem from so I didn't have it and it was you know being in situations that required a great deal of empathy and compassion you know when you know it's really really you know tragic circumstances when you're you know having to deliver awful news to a parent for example was the most extreme end of uh needing the requirement of past compassion and empathy um and it just in your to do your job at your best and I have to say prior to that when I was teaching I definitely didn't have it and I would say you know it's something that I'd say humor uh yeah yeah maybe but um but yeah definitely I think that that's a that's something that I have grown to develop and it's something that again like all of us and it's you know interesting to listen to earlier it's something that you have to do daily work icon to remind

yourself of of those key things that you know your aspirations aren't necessarily the person in front of you you have to align yourself with what their goals are what their Ambitions what is it that they want from their dog and really dialing from that and appreciate that people are often doing the best they can a bit like dogs in the circumstances that they've got them themselves into and as a dog trainer you are there as part of their journey and their processes to try and facilitate them moving to a better place certainly you know some of the behavioral cases people earn a really really raw State um you know you know I know there was a list I've been talking about separation anxiety people live in really they're almost alter their whole life to accommodate for their dog's Behavior because it's all consuming and it's a and it's a really um you know life-changing um behavioral challenge as are so many reactivity aggressions here and when when somebody invites you into that that process that Journey however you want to articulate it to me that's a that's something that should be treated with the utmost for compassion and respect and empathy um to to do the best you can for them uh and and and always be you know willing to you know um you know put down your um your ego I think is a huge thing that I think dog trainers can often cover from you know and it we're only you know a great trainer that I was a huge bench to me always said you know you're only as good as your dog on the day and that's a great thing to remind yourself in a respect of the level that you're at you know you're only as good as your dog at the end of the day the dog's gotta do the best it can in the circumstances that you have chosen to put them in um so you know give them a break and and remind yourself that at the end of the day as amazing as they are they're a dog and they're doing the best they can um you know this invincible creature that's infallible um so you know I think ego as well is something to remind people of as well cute I think that um for me the the evolution or the Fanning of the Flames of empathy for me because it was not my strength um 20 years ago um I always had empathy for dogs that was never a problem for me and that empathy for dogs is what taught me to have empathy for people and um and so yes and I think that's why we all have dogs is that they help us rise to our highest self and to and I think you know you we I think that often people that have that gravitate to to an approach training that allows them to extend that but I think that and this is something Beyond just dog training is to if we could be kind to our dogs then

often we should be kind to each other and I think that's something that we all need to do work on reflecting on ourselves it you know and I include myself in that statement you know none of us I'm certainly not perfect it's a you know and and to remind ourselves that you know everybody's going through their stuff and I think that being kind is a huge thing always always remind ourselves to be and I think that's part of the evolution as well is is when we are truly reinforcement-based trainers we become reinforcement-based people and that kindness is to people even that can't hear us when they're cutting us off in traffic so our language towards them because I love the line from Wayne Dyer and I've said it on my podcast before that um when you squeeze a lemon all that can come out is what's inside and that's lemon juice so what comes out of you at times when you're pressured that's what's really inside of you and examine that because is that what you really want to come out and it happens behind a keyboard it happens on a phone I was on hold for so long today um but that's that's where we can show up at our best to our dogs is when we can show up that way to everybody absolutely so thank you Kamel for being here Swagger says thank you and he says oh best boy over across the pond so um not for you season just on the final note thank you for all that you do you know I'm probably gonna do out of a lot of money here by saying this but you can watch Susan Garrett's podcast and probably train your dog without doing any of the courses however I have to preface that by saying I'm probably on all I've done all of Susan Garrett's courses so I'm kind of contradicting myself here but yeah you are a game changer you are changing the way people were let's see this world and for that massive thank you Camille I appreciate you and you're telling the truth you're telling the truth the podcasts are there I wanted it yeah when I set this out every single episode to be a master class I didn't really I tune those episodes those podcasts where you get half the information and the other half is behind a paywall somewhere yeah like people join our community our our programs for more clarity for coaching for Community for mentorship and yeah a season I've given you a lot of money I should have just watched the damn podcast for God's sake tell hello okay will do okay um and he's right he's done every single course we've ever had including in being in the Inner Circle and uh yeah he's been around for quite a while so thank you okay next up we have um maybe we should give away a gift hey is it that uh other thing come upstairs the uh it starts with a P

did is it still downstairs okay uh we won't give it away we're going to give it away in a second um what does that mean what do we have people oh oh for people who do have come on late I get you okay um we have two PDFs that I've given away to be clear there was some chat in the comments this is human chocolate chip cookies this is my favorite recipe that I'm I'm I'm actually keto this week but if I was ever going to eat chocolatey cookies these are my favorite and I've tested a lot I would say I'm probably into the hundreds of different chocolate chip cookies I've tried vegan ones and my favorite recipe and we also if you guys did watch my um podcast episode number 200 I talked about using a snuffle mat and I'm giving away an sop on how to build your own snuffle mat including pictures and how to step by step by step how to do it so you all can if if you're late to the program and for this week only in celebration of our 200th episode um we're we are opening all of our programs so you can join any one of our programs at the lowest investment that we you will ever find you can go to our website and go to the store and see those programs and they will all be a lot higher than what you will see in this special if you go to dogs at forward slash dogstat.com forward slash 200 and at the bottom is where you'll see the PDFs that you can um download make the cookies tell me if they aren't amazing they are amazing and note the ingredients it's practically a salad it's practically that's what that's what I think anyway that's what I keep telling myself okay our next guest is a student I wanted to bring on a student because of and this was what really was the big thing for me was um people when I was you know talking on a podcast a couple weeks ago and the comment said well no one's gonna have time for all those layers that she's talking about just tell the dog to do it so um well we're on we're on here for a little while longer somebody should try baking the cookies that's what I say bake the cookies yep so uh Natalia uh I'm gonna get her her name wrong nitzker and tell you you can tell me how badly I butchered that when you come on Natalia is an elementary school teacher who enjoys working with dogs as a hobby she lives in the store state of Georgia with her husband three sons and two dogs so Tabby is a five-year-old German Shepherd and Kenna is a one-year-old Malinois Natalia volunteers at a local non-profit rescue and dog training organization as well as a service dog training group and runs a trick training group and I believe she's done a trick for wag Nation I believe she has and as is a certified dog training uh a trick dog instructor

Natalia is an alumni of um of alumni of homeschool the dog and recallers and a wag Nation founding member and Susan's program's methodology and podcasts are given to tell you a better understanding and confidence and able to work her dogs and spread the joy positive reinforcement and trick training is her favorite okay let's bring her on Natalia how are you oh my goodness you got my name perfectly that's a rare yeah and it's rare for me now it's official you get a cookie you'll get a cookie it has to be a it has to be what do they call them a fat bomb um that I'm not I I yeah I'm doing this keto just to kick start my metabolism I'm not going off keto so far it's working pretty well okay Natalia I've got to ask you uh number one how how old um was Kenna when you got her so um I adopted her she was five months love at first sight and um Everybody told me she's so mellow melon washed she's so chill we brought her home you know we worked with our German Shepherd which was a little bit anxious so we put in those layers that we talked about and um we made it work um then some true colors started kicking in and we've been working and um what helped the most is knowing from the beginning where to start with her and um working through recallers you know following the games in order following the coaching and advice what I've learned so far um with working with Tabby before and just skyrocketed you know and which is brilliant brilliant and um as Kamal mentioned you don't need a whole lot of time you talked about quickies on the podcast I don't have a lot of time you know with a full-time job and kids you don't have a lot of time so it it works so how did you do it how did you how do you tater salad wants to know as well how did you do um like yours you're a school teacher and you've got a family and you'll have another dog so how did you find time to play those games what helped me personally is doing a little bit of homework the night before I would watch the um video I would read the PDF kind of do my little homework the night before so I know what I'm doing the next day and um in the morning I tried to structure the games that I play around contingent times like for example in the morning when I'm waiting for my tea to boil you know to make coffee we play a few games in the kitchen uh you know it's your choice as always on the go it's 24 7 you know work in a door manners uh Hot Zone it's ongoing then when I came back from work I would also um have a quickie you know going upstairs when I go change you know we do a quickie upstairs and they know they know by now that when Mom is home they're waiting on the stairs gets ready to I

took a picture the other day they're ready to go look in the milk are you coming are you coming yeah so it's it's more of a routine for me and I know okay it's it's quick we get it done we could you know we get the day moving and and what was the um what would you say would be the the most difficult challenge that um between the two dogs like either one of the dogs that when you were working through this that you you hit this wall and you went okay this is not going the way I thought it would go well even initially Brennan can a home um I didn't know how Teddy would react and um it did not go pretty it was not pretty at all and how how was the how old was the puppy she was five months five months okay and was he in a rescue how did you like because I know you work in a rescue is that where you found her yeah yeah Ken is a rescue where I volunteer with and they were having a festival um and they had dogs for adoption there just kind of perfect you know um I helped walk her and I just fell in love I'm like this is it but we need to make sure she she um she meshes without the dog and I didn't want to put her Tabby through stress you know obviously I didn't want to make her miserable so that first day um in my in the back of my mind I'm like it's not gonna work it's it's it's terrible it's not gonna work the next day we work thank goodness for muscle training you know and thank goodness poor conditioning all those great tools that we have the color grab the muzzle you know she was familiar with it um so we worked through um taking them outside in a little bit more you know open space and getting them familiarized with themselves so long story short I think also King is demeanor and kind of attitude helped as well the type of dog shares um helped kind of neutralize some of Tabby's insecurities and um thank goodness thank goodness it's you know happy ending and was she a typical um maligator when you got her was there a lot of biting still oh yeah oh yeah she she was very unpredictable like the look in her face just I was like hmm I can't even tell what you're thinking what you um she was very yeah I was a little bit even kind of unsure myself like I couldn't read her you know right so definitely been a German Shepherd yeah yeah very different very yeah very driven but introducing the games you really see the you really see the change the the sparks in their eyes you see the the joy you see the connection and it all just Works beautifully from there it's magical magical that's brilliant that's brilliant um so now did you when did you like you teach tricks to all your dogs right yes ma'am and so so that is also part of that

connection right so when it was when did you start introducing tricks to her and when did you say I see her now do what she's doing saying when are we training let's go I want to do this so originally I started with tricks um with a tabby with the German Shepherd um as a way to help her gain some confidence as well besides you know Working On Loosely shocking and obedience that really helped her come out of her kind of insecurities and come out of her I don't know how to say it but that helps her become a little more confident dog and build connection with me and I really didn't know what I was doing at first to be honest I just kind of you know tried this tried that then I started researching I started reading books I obviously you know followed your podcast learned about shaping and uh um we worked at First without the click or just you know marker words and whatever I knew but then as I kind of you know got a little bit more knowledge and experience um when I brought Canada in uh you know we started combining uh recallers games with trick trading and it just became a model for training because you in order to teach a trick which to me any Behavior we teach is a trick you go through those layers you build in a small gradual foundation so the dog gets it and the dog feels successful so you have opportunity to revote and they love it it's fun it's fun for both of you so it doesn't become a mundane kind of oh I gotta train the dog it becomes a game it becomes an experience for both of you and you both look forward to it um this is another question this is a good question for you what game is your go-to in a stressful environment huh that's a good one I guess it depends on the dog for me um yeah that's a good question a good answer yeah it depends on the situation and the dog you know with um skin of the melon washes very quick and she's very driven you know hand targets is our go-to surge game is our go-to just to get her those are where actually my favorites also when we were working through her insecurities with golf carts she could not stand them when I got her she wanted to chase that and cars too but cars kind of faded out quickly with golf carts it was it took us quite some time to work through it she was so over threshold I couldn't hand feed her she was you know grabbing she was I was afraid she'll take my finger off I think in one of your recolor videos um your year-end video you showed her didn't you not chasing but watching in a distance I don't know if it was the deer yeah yeah yeah yeah yes ma'am yeah it was yeah so I tried to learn you know I wish I found you guys sooner with when

we got Tabby so I tried to learn from all my mistakes that I made earlier and kind of build again those foundations early on as soon as I got um you know you know working through all those types of scenarios that I knew you know if I expose her and I show her what good choices are we can solidify that and uh you know instead of changing the knot we can train the do live and do land yes so you got her at five months old when at what point did people say wow this is a really cool dog instead of oh my gosh what what's wrong with your dog I mean she she's Berlin from the start you know we got to have that belief and attitude I yeah um even if you know when not perfect it's not Perfection it's progress we're looking for but um yeah so it's it's just working daily just sharing you know what I know what I've learned um trying to pour that into her and sharing my joy with community of you know trick trainers of people and recallers I think that's that's my kind of main thing to try to spread the joy of training the dog with game-based positive reinforcement tricks to make it fun to make it engage and make silly videos definitely she is a like a role model that you mean you turn to around this rescue dog who yes she was sweet you had that going for you but she still was a Malinois who had all those alligators yeah it was so um no you've done a brilliant job and I wanted people to to see how somebody who was a school teacher who is a volunteer who's a mother of three kids still can just he just swings in the layers and yeah baby snaps it's it's really possible it does require effort it does require some planning right and uh dedication patience but it is very doable because you guys provide all the all the answers and you the community and the family and the supporters yeah let's give a shout out for the coaches because yeah they are they don't they're the unsung heroes yeah they they do not leave a stone unturned so thank you Natalia for being on and sharing your story and inspiring so many others for listening to you and thank you congratulations again on the 200th podcast so exciting oh thank you so much thank you yeah and Swagger says thank you as well have a good night okay we have got a treat for you oh I'm giving out a treat first oh my gosh um we have two people that every time I I do a podcast I see these people commenting and um one of them's always giving me a little chocolate chip cookie emojis and I want to give a shout out to them and I want to send them a special prize so um I'm gonna I've given away t-shirts I'm giving away be kind t-shirts to Carolyn Miller and Nancy Hooper ladies you know what reinforcement is

amazing so um those two ladies I'm going to give you I'm going to give you hoodies I'm giving you hoodies I hope you don't live in super warm climate so um yeah contact the team Wag It dogs.com you're amazing um so thank you to Carolyn and Nancy for always commenting on our YouTube videos and just being awesome and engaging and kind so the yeah that's amazing you're amazing so I have got a special guest that I want this community to be introduced to and um his name is Matt Folsom and he's a certified Master dog trainer who I'm going to read his bio then I'm going to tell you a little bit about him and then I'm bringing him on uh he has 4.5 million Tick-Tock followers put in perspective I think we've got like 60 or 70 000 I don't know um and he has um 120 000 on I think he's close to a million on YouTube as well and he you know just like that he did it his his dog his dogs are really impressive we've got a couple videos we're going to share with you so um Matt's known for his science-based positive reinforcement training methods which he's applied through his training company the modern Malinois and if you've been on Tick Tock if you've been on uh any social media and you're looking at dog training you would have seen Matt's dogs and um and he's really an engaging guy on camera too so um his expertise in training include socialization techniques high level obedience on on command response other strategies to help increase security and personal safety for high level executive and law enforcement professionals he launched his training company after his friend's experience with a brutal home invasion and is the owner of the most famous Malinois puppies in the world so Matt is as he said he he doesn't train for competition he trains for protection and um he he is a reinforcement based dog trainer he uses reinforcement and almost every single aspect of his training and he's working extremely hard to and that's how we met he reached out to me said can we actually yeah we he wanted to jump on a zoom session ask me questions about a certain Behavior he was having you know wanted to think about different approaches and um we've been friends ever since so Matt I'm bringing you on hello my friend how are you welcome thank you so much for having me yeah I am so happy that you're here and um and anything I disclose about Matt you can know that I've been given permission and one of the things that there was this Kindred spiritness obviously I love a dog that's animated and loves to do what he's doing and I love a Handler who you can tell that's what they want to do they want to be training their dog right now and and

it just shows that there's nowhere else this guy would rather be than training his dog Matt's one of the few people that um he I don't I I've tried I'm sure maybe there's others but I think Matt and I are two of the only that I see that train their dogs live so he will he will shoot up alive on Tick Tock and he'll just do training sessions and I when I'm walking my dogs sometimes I'll say I think this is probably not going to work but I'm going to try it and I'll because I sometimes I want people to see what happens when you're a reinforcement-based dog trainer and it doesn't go well because that's what when you know sometimes it's the important things that people want to see but one of the things that I like I've spoke quite common about how I believe my dyslexia has helped me be a better dog trainer and Matt is autistic and you know that's something that has that helped affected you in any way as a dog trainer do you think Matt I think it's really interesting that you have dyslexia and you focus a lot more on shaping behaviors whereas I focused a lot on luring them yes you know I know you know dyslexia people can really visualize three-dimensional space extremely well I cannot I close my eyes and I see nothing I can't visualize anything I can't see a table I can't see chairs I incorporate uh you know uh so much luring because I'm not having to visualize it it's a visceral feeling it's something that I'm doing with my body and while I do use shaping I find it much more of a struggle and it doesn't come as naturally to me and that visualization um is I've always said is my superpower because I've been able to do it since I was like a five-year-old because and I knew that my brain didn't work the same way other peoples did so yeah and isn't it amazing like that um we just found a way that our dogs can can really learn I mean but as I said to you your luring is not like typical luring because your dogs aren't trying to eat the cookies as you're being lured so what's up with that well I like to give them the in the very beginning I want them to be trying to quote unquote eat the cookie because I don't want to dampen their spirit I want them to be excited so you know the first couple of weeks when I have a new puppy you know I want them kind of almost biting at the bed I want them you know really excited and uh don't want to take away any of that enthusiasm that they have and I would have to say that uh I probably you know you would have to really call it shaping that the way I kind of fade that out just like I would Fade Out My lures um you know to where they don't get the treat or the kibble because I don't use

them treats very often I mostly just train with their kibble when we're doing luring or food based stuff uh and so uh you know once they have a little bit of space you know I boom they get the kibble um you know and I also use a lot of you know I'm not just not just luring you're shaping while you're luring correct correct Hey listen let's show them one of your videos can we do that so that they can see what you're talking about which one would you like me to show are we Let's uh the one with the puppy would be would be perfect and then I can explain how it you know shaping also is involved this is what you need to know to train your puppy like a working dog meal time is training time we shape positions by luring them with their kibble because where their head goes their body will follow circles turn into a heel a down a sit a pivot switch to the other side all done with luring that's that's all so so I wanted them to see like this isn't just you know you think about like Grandma luring the cookie like that we're not talking about your basic luring this is yeah it's crazy and and that do you ever does does does the hand because I know you make this little Gully for your hand does that ever become a Target rather than a lure uh no uh I don't ever use that as a Target um I uh so it's always loaded it's never empty yeah so the hand is always loaded sometimes I might use it uh you know I might have something without the I might I might you make a movement without the food in it you know kind of almost giving them Handler help in a way but I wouldn't consider my hand to be the target I would consider that more of like fading off The Lure uh because I'm not they're not actually following my you know my hand per se interesting and so like like are you not luring them anymore it's really dependent on the dog but I am I have not found any issue fading out the lure I know a lot of people like oh you've got to get rid of the lure so quickly because otherwise they're going to be stuck on it forever and that has just not been my experience uh I want my dog to have explosive movement I want him to be precise and I really want that to be from the beginning so there were never rehearsing uh movements that aren't the what I want you know like with change of positions you know I don't want to rehearse having them go into the sit by moving their front paws backwards from the beginning I want them to do it perfectly and so you know with uh with one hand on the mouth you know luring and another hand you know on their body I can ensure that they have the exact movement that I want from day one do you think that it could be that the

the problem fading obviously Malinois are very driven dogs that love to work that it is like I I say in in dog agility you could lure a border collie or you could shape them and it's not going to make any difference because they're just so driven to work do you think that has an impact on why you can uh get away without without fading The Lure and they still are driven to do it oh no I mean I still work on Fading the Lord tremendously but I'm I'm not worried about that in the in the beginning so I mean you know it's a really popular thing that if you don't feed the lure you know within the first month or two then they're just going to be stuck on it for the rest of their life and you know my main philosophy I don't care how good my puppy is I care how good my adult dog is right it doesn't matter if I have a dog that's or it doesn't matter you know it's like you know for kids Athletics who cares if your 11 year old was on the world championship team if they can't even make it to a D1 college yeah I mean yeah it's really cool and it makes for good stories but at the end of the day you know I want to have professionally trained adults not professionally trained puppies and so I'm in it for the in-game and so much of what I have learned is that you know I just have to do it on the dog's time and that you know if they're not ready they're not ready and once they you know just having a little bit of maturity you know all of a sudden a dog who is 10 months and is really struggling with certain things they're 18 months and out of nowhere it just clicks I've done nothing different maybe I've even worked it less and they're just like oh yeah I've got the maturity I've got the intelligence I'm ready to do it now there's a question how well does that work on on rescue dogs and older dogs I would imagine it works brilliantly wouldn't you yes yes uh you know I mean because I my main philosophy is keeping the dogs instincts intact and really remembering what are they working for you know they're not working to please me then you know we have a great relationship but you know it's it's more they want they're kibble they want their food they want a ball a prey item and you know I'm always trying to make it about that about how they can fulfill their desires to get you know based you know I get what I want and you get what you want right and and that's to be clear like you don't just use food that you do use a lot of different reinforcers and um so it isn't just that you're creating all these behaviors just with food you might you might be using a tour a toy in the same game correct I I it's a lot harder to lure

with the toy uh you have to have a lot of things kind of instilled first but I do you know I do a lot of luring with toys mostly for the older you know when they're you know first few months you know I want to just uh work on enjoyment with the toy I'm way more worried about them learning that I'm not gonna just end their fun and take the toy away then trying to lure with it and so I want to have a bunch of rules and kind of a relationship established before we ever tried to lure with a toy um and and I think that's just such a Nuance that gets missed is that it is all about the relationship at the end like if the if when you put your like I I've seen you with your dogs if you put your food away your dogs are still going to be there with you right that it isn't about the food it isn't about the toy it's about that relationship that you're creating and that's just a vector to get you there yeah like when I brought Alexandra home my my female you know we the only thing we really did with the toy in the beginning was you know get her used like we would go out we would do some food training or go out and just go for a walk we would come in the house and I would have a toy available and I would just sit on the floor waiting for her to become comfortable sitting by me with the toy uh and then once she became comfortable with that comfortable touching me learning that hey he's not going to try to take this away he's not going to try to end my fun uh and you know I have all these little sneaky games or sneaky little tricks that I play on or for when it's time to go up and the toy has to go away so that she doesn't think that I'm taking the toy away it just kind of magically vanishes um and you know I spent all this time just to get to the point of her letting the toy go so that I can throw it to get to that mindset of oh and I give him the toy we restart this fund we restart this game uh and so I guess in a way you know that is shaped you know that kind of you know behavior is you know over slowly over time you know I'm using approximations to get to that that relationship status so Carla asked does this mean Susan's going to be using more luring in her training no not at all it means Susan can have respect for trainers who don't do the same thing she does um I just you know I just have the utmost respect for what Matt can do with his dogs and we're doing different things for me I don't want my puppies to move fast because I want them to move intentionally to learn how to move from their back end because back end is the most important part of jumping and so um that's really and my my puppies do

move fast that's that's built into the shaping process but there's you know it's what is important or what I'm looking for and so um but I'm not I'm never going to say never and I've I i s the main reason I I stopped luring anything is because it was an easy thing to do badly and so when you're shaping badly you're not going to end up with the right Behavior you're always going to end up with the right behavior when you're luring but the problem is if you're not luring correctly you're not going to end up with the right relationship and so for teaching every breed of dog and every motivation level of dog I needed a to be able to systematize training that I could get the predicted relationship because that's at the end of the day all that any of us want and so um I think it's super important for um people to realize and this was a great comment from Steve White I don't know if you know Steve White but him and I have been chatting since my podcast appearance and he said what I've learned is the methodology of the training model matters very little compared to the skill of the trainer [Music] and that's and that's so true okay we're giving away toy since we're talking about food this is um for dogs who don't like toys and it's called a treat Taco so you put the cookies in there and then uh my Bulldog tater salad loves this so you put here you wanna put cookies in there Linda and um and then if you want to work you can shape a dog to retrieve because something of value inside and then you can either open it up and let the cookie spill out boom or what I do is let tater salad figure out how to open that and that becomes the game itself so we'll give Linda what's the criteria for somebody winning this I'll let you think about it there's got to be criteria um she'll come up with something well look at Linda Linda Linda Harms did a a talk Taco Emoji is that the criteria enough for you Linda you won Emoji wins a taco boom that's it right next time maybe um three tacos might win I don't know they got to be vegan though okay so um yeah that is and and that is so it's it's important to be aware of what is what is happening when you're luring like a biggest part of dog training is that dopamine release we want our dogs to to get when we're training with them and so um the where where does the negative predictive prediction error happen with a lure and that's the the problem with a lot of dogs that have been lure trained badly is they're not motivated and so um and it's true of shaping too I mean it's just that they don't know when that click's coming so it's it's more of a dopamine hit than the lure when when the

cookies are gone so fascinating stuff okay tell me about um what is the biggest challenge this year you've overcome with your training or that you've had to overcome with your training I would say uh trying to stay keep the same motivation when I have a lot more outside responsibilities to take care of um you know my father moved in with me back in October and he's elderly has some you know dementia has some other issues and then at the end of December he fell and broke his other hip um and so like you know he was in the hospital for two two months and uh you know trying to you know navigate all of that and still stay on fire for training um you know it's easy for me to keep my dogs happy and healthy uh but to keep pushing the envelope keep trying to challenge it myself uh day after day it's that has been you know definitely a struggle and I've had to find ways to um you know really prioritize recovery and prioritize you know getting rid of all the extraneous things that don't really need in my life like I have like I have many but because all I really ever do is I mean I don't do anything other than dog training like this is literally all I do have a social life you gotta I have I basically have no friends I have I've been on Monday in a year yeah and uh well maybe we can do something about it now for just to set the table Matt is a gay man so um like let's stack how many you can't get more individual autistic gay amazingly trained dogs but doesn't do a sport there's a lot of of qualifiers that make you such a unique human being um and and it's not true that you don't have friends because you do have friends and here you also are going to breed a litter of puppies this year are you not this is the year of the puppy Alexander so what's gonna happen is you said you're training has gone crap and because you've been so focused on other things outside the world when you have that litter puppies the outside things don't matter all you do is the puppies um yeah I mean I'm I'm so excited that you know all of my social media accounts the only thing the only reason I even have them is so that I can uh basically be an advertising arm for my breeding program because I love training dogs more than anything else and I'm not I'm not becoming a breeder because I want to sell dogs I'm becoming a breeder because I want to train as many of the best world-class dogs as I can every single day and the only way I can think to have the best dogs is to breed them myself and uh so you know I'm all of a sudden gonna probably you know I wouldn't be surprised if we had say eight puppies in the litter and I just decided you know

what they are all good enough to be fully trained so I'm not selling any of them as a puppy I'll Foster one for you for a little while how's that oh that's that is so awesome and um do you have have you even thought about what you're going to be doing at what time with those puppies is that even I mean I I had it planned out I would always think like um I for myself I had to rain myself in that I wanted to start doing things too early with them and and that actually can hurt their brain development if you try to do too much too too early and so but I loved it when they got to be six seven weeks old and I keep my puppies until they're 10 or 10 weeks old I at least I know you're keeping yours a lot longer than that yeah you know for me every time I mean I know this is going to sound Blasphemous to a lot of people but every time I've ever tried to come up with a training schedule come up with you know I want to have this done at 10 months this done at nine months it just completely crumbles uh one because you know all of a sudden I'm trying to put things on my time frame and not on the dog's time frame uh but then two it just kind of takes the fun out of it for me and you know I just I don't like to think about it I I like it to be more you know spontaneous I wanted to be in the moment and I want you know my uh and I just want to kind of go off of my gut and you know experience the dog you know that day what do we need to bring not that I'm not thinking about long-term goals or you know like you know I say when my dad you know when he finally came home from the hospital you know I started identifying things okay what is what is falling by the wayside what do we need to improve uh because I mean I was still training through that period but I wasn't really pushing you know it was more just kind of maintenance and uh and so um I am really not one of those people that you know I I've at times created ex you know extravagant Excel spreadsheets for everything I want my dogs to know and then I don't look at it for six months I for completely for you know within a week I just totally forget about it and so um you know I I love dog training more than anything in the entire world and you know I I don't need that extra to me that just kind of bogs it down it kind of takes away some of the fun and I just want to wake up and just be super excited I want to go to sleep you know thinking that I can't wait till I get to wake up and train more and so that's you know another reason I want to be a breeder is like I only have four dogs I mean I you know I could like train them all to exhaustion in 90 minutes and then

what do I do that's awesome so you know like I I want more dogs to train I just I really want to just have my life so that I don't do anything but train dogs I don't go shopping I don't uh I don't even shoot videos anymore just like everything my life is I either train dogs or talk about training dogs or plan for training dogs and that's it I don't I rarely drive a car anymore it's yeah I've become a dog hermit is what I've become um so like I can't see anybody when I walk out the door you know it's so tell me what is the biggest misconception people have about either you or your training whatever one of those questions is easier I uh you know I think probably the biggest misconception about me would be uh very similar to the just really a misconception about everybody is that we're not changing we're not evolving we're not improving um you know you can look at videos that I did say you know two two and a half years ago and you can see a prone caller on my dogs and so people think oh well Matt all he does is compulsion because they see a video that I put out two years ago and you know they don't realize that I am always trying to improve I am always trying to become a better dog trainer you know looking at my old videos if I can't look at last year's videos and find at least five things wrong with what I was doing then I'm not working hard enough to improve as a dog trainer I always want to be improving um and so you know it's you know things like that you know just for instance Alexandra and Magnus my two youngest have never had a prong collar on them Ulrich has them out of prong collar on them in probably two years um and so you know I'm not going to be I'm not teaching the same things that I did two years ago or teaching them in the same ways you know as I am today that's the fun that's what keeps keep the game game fun for me is to always be experimenting with the the foundations um the what I'm training when I'm putting on what and how I can break down one thing and and and create more certainty for the dogs around that one thing before I inject it into a series or a sequence um I want to share that last video with uh with everyone and it's all Rook isn't it the remote control okay so let's see this this is like when I throw the ball and let him have it but watch when I out of how he stays with it and can still take commands puck us upo pushay upo Assi upo [Applause] that's awesome that is uh if Swagger was a Malinois so my red boy Swagger he plays that game that is his favorite game is if you will let him like throw a toy and let him do a million behaviors before he can get it what is it that

makes them love that so much it's crazy um but it's great it's just a great demonstration of of self-control on the dog but also relationship so and it's been that's an everyday occurrence you know I think a lot of people assume that you know videos like that are you know we're doing 100 takes and just hoping to get that one take and you know a couple months ago I had a couple dog trainers in the area asked me if we could get together and I brought all work and I basically did that exact same little you know I just threw the ball out in the field and then you know had him out at about 100 feet away and then said all these commands and and they were just like wait that you can actually just do that anywhere anytime I'm like well yeah it's not smoking mirrors I mean unfortunately a lot of trainers are smoking mirrors but true that but they're not training live either yeah on one of my YouTube lives recently did uh bite work live and you know people you know got to see you know me doing bite work right there live you know there's no do-overs you know and uh not ones that he just decide not to out um you know I like to push the barrier you know I one of the things that I probably do different than some people is I don't always want my dogs to be fully in obedience so if you watch that live I was fine with him kind of inching a little bit doing this doing that where it wasn't a hundred percent because if I really want to push the boundaries on certain variables I have to let other variables go just a little bit and you know because at the end of the day you know the dog is deciding how hard he's gonna bite and if he's not loving this if he's not almost kind of like uh just enough you know I'm gonna have a lackluster performance from it and they're reading the comments and a lot of people are saying wow about that game and we teach that game in our recolors program we call it the wow game just for that reason because when people see a dog be that have that kind of push button control from a distance and like Swagger is 12. it's his favorite game loves it every day um it's still I I just I think that um with dogs we're giving them the opportunity to know there's the what I talked about the negative prediction error for the dopamine release because they don't know what Behavior gets the ball and and that's what keeps growing and growing that um Matt and I could talk for hours and we often do so I'm going to have to say goodbye to Matt and bring on our next guest Matt thank you for doing this I know it's and I and I hope you all um could see the Brilliance and that good dog training and good dog trainers

I mean the it's just so inspiring to be around them and to be watching them so go over and and if you are not subscribed to Matt's page go and watch his page and watch him train and it doesn't matter that he doesn't train exactly the same way we do he is somebody who's always progressing his training and uh and I just yeah I appreciate you thank you for being so much for having me okay we'll see you soon Matt cheers okay Swagger we're giving away um Linda wants to know what is your favorite episode from shaped by dog of the of the 200 and say the name and the uh what one thing one thing from that episode that you loved and I'm while you're writing that in the comments I am going to read an introduction to my next guest and you know her name is Lori Williams she when I I we're Kindred spear Spirits in that we've been around this game of dog training a long time the two of us Lori is a professional a canine educator Behavior counselor trainer writer she owns pup and iron I love that because I'm a gym rat pop an iron and I gotta ask Lori if that relates to being a gym rat uh canine Fitness in Learning Center in Virginia and it oh words I know the name when I saw the name in Virginia I taught when I well I taught a very early seminar there um and she's a AKC judge a Canine Good Citizen evaluator and she is um host a podcast on Dog Sports on on Pet Life radio contributing Editor to apdt Chronicles and also on the board for the um dog writers association of America so Lori what a regular awesome I look real good on paper uh Lori is again on social media media check canine diva is her name on Tick Tock is that where you're on Instagram as well yes the canine Diva and uh and I love the conversations she says it as it is so it's I think when you get to a place in life it's okay to do that and Lori I said I I wanted to ask you about I wanted to talk about because we've been doing this for so long the two of us about starting out so if you're a young person starting out in you and you might not even know you want to be a professional dog trainer but somewhere in the back of your mind wouldn't that be nice what what what do you see as like qualities as a person rather than a dog trainer that would lead to somebody being able to to to to do be good as a dog trainer or have it as a as a an actual career all right well first off thank you for having me on Susan very honored to be on your 200th podcast how awesome you're the best but you know what the thing is is the way people need to come up now is completely different than how I do that now I I don't know about you but um like I came up through the kettle clubs when

I first started dog training um via signing my Irish Setter up for a class at the local community center that was run by the local community um excuse me Kennel Club it was Jacksonville North Carolina so um I just and I was super young had a very bittable dog that caught on like this but then they took me under their wing because they saw something in me they said this girl has got it so I mean this was back in the uh early 1980s so they I just hung around and hung around and learned mostly from women it was mostly women Kennel Club members completely different training of course it was in the 80s I mean truly it would be uh categorized as compulsion um in today's terms um because it you know a choke chain was standard equipment with uh when you screwed up for a dog trainer well we sold 12 weeks old in 1980 88 when I got my puppy got her choke chain absolutely that's the way it was we didn't know any better back then but anyway um I just hung around and hung around and they allowed me to hang around and here I I was 21 years old with a infant and toddler at home leaving my husband and my babies at home and I would after the Kennel Club class I would go with them they'd let me go to this little like Diner and sometimes I would stay there till like midnight one in the morning just talking dogs yeah so there's that's not the way things are done anymore I'm I know that really the kennel clubs are not and here in the U.S anyway are not as I don't know what they're not as prevalent and not they're still around but they're kind of no clothes yeah they were the only thing really and there's so many now um and and and there's some really great clubs but the club mentality is um that there really isn't a leader that makes decisions and so progress is hard because everyone will vote against change yeah and absolutely and that's why it's often difficult uh for those and that's why private businesses have sprung up and and really over over took over the training absolutely so it's a whole different route now right today I think still it you need to start with your own dog I'm very um adamant about that you need to because I get a lot of people who actually want to be dog trainers and don't have a dog I'm like you have get a dog start taking classes yeah as many as you can um become like a gym rat but with dog training is that where that came from as I before I had um dog training was my primary occupation I was a fitness director managed gyms and I said to uh everybody and Jim I vowed that I am going to have a dog gym one day and they laughed I said I'm gonna call it I'm an iron I'm telling you and they laughed

but I got the last laugh so yes that is the reference for sure but um yeah you got to hang around you got to learn as much as you can you got to train your own dog and maybe train your second dog and um hang around as much as you can find a mentor what do you think Lori their personal characteristics yeah that's very important because also a lot of people come to me and say well I want to be a dog trainer I love dogs they express their love of dogs they're like people not so much but I love dogs I said guess what you need to like people you need to be able to build a rapport with people and it needs to be authentic and you need to be sincere about it so uh actually dog training unless you are happy you happen to find a job that you have no contact with people that you're only training Hands-On with dogs this might not be for you because we are training people by and large or at least that's what I feel we should be doing yeah because if we can't train the other end of the leash if we can't show them how to build a relationship with their own dog how to execute with their own dog the skills and learn the techniques and the dog isn't is not gonna be okay because we have to eventually even if you do boarding trains eventually you have to give that dog back to them and they need to be prepared so I tell them you have to be a people person um or at least figure out a way to fake it as authentically as you can and I don't really know that you can fake it I think the um one of the reasons we might still be in this is because we probably we like people and we like teaching people and for me that was a I loved I liked people but I only like my people and I and when I would see somebody when I would be no there is another problem with me in that I was teaching people as a world champion so I was given instant Authority and Instant Respect and I think respect really should be earned but I you're given this instant respect so of course it's your ego like it your ego so I knew I could help anybody train their dog but if I saw somebody being mean to their dog like correcting them or like one girl stomping on her dog's foot when it wouldn't go into a down when she asked like I would go all spider monkey on their ass and I would make them feel bad about themselves and then they'd get in their back brain and they couldn't learn a thing for me yeah so that was my big evolution is you gotta love people and if you love people then you're going to recognize they're doing the best they can talk but somebody taught them that right right breaking breaking old habits is probably one of the biggest challenges I

think we talked about this before where some of our like some of our best uh students have been novices complete novices I have so many people who it is their first dog I'm like ah thank you because they are they are clean slate they're like they're going to accept the program that you're telling them they're going to accept it right from the beginning and follow it step by step they're going to trust the process as opposed to well I used to do it this way and then also some people just have knee-jerk reactions the pop the pop of the leash they've been doing that their whole lives so coming to me where I'm saying to them now listen so I I definitely um have a way to finesse that um I can't necessarily I mean definitely it improved through time but actually when I was in um College I actually majored in communication um so I took a lot of interpersonal communication classes oh you got a leg up girl yeah I did I did and so I went to University of Hard Knocks to learn my report you know what you know what here's a this is something that's very interesting and I'll ask you this question now dog sport people you can do that too like me um when I started learning through the Kennel Club system I said well I want to compete because I stayed after and watched them doing um their dog OB they were a show was coming a trial was coming up obedience child I watched them doing utility and I was like oh my God I need to do this um so what they were the most they brow beat the heck out of me but I didn't care because I wanted it I was enable and do the clients that I have today the clients that I have they cannot be brow beaten like regular everyday average pet owners which is the majority of what I teach um for sure you're right like I think when I look at how I taught back in the in the early 90s it was and and through most of the 90s because I was tired and overworked because I was on the road 200 days a year either teaching competing and and I didn't and literally I was I had to be shaped by the response of the people and when I knew I had lost them I knew I couldn't help them with their dog and that broke my heart and so yeah it was it was an an evolution for me and and it was through training dogs and shaping behavior that I learned I actually like working with people yeah I actually like people and so no the sport people they'll put up with your because right because they want to know what you know right but the pet people say I go down the road I had to be as focused on becoming a good educator as I had been come focused on being a good dog trainer that was my my education for sure yeah yeah that's

the key and I do think that's the key to longevity because if you I mean if you really like have a disdain for people first of all it shows like you can't hide it like I see I see it on social media I see a lot of trainers on like Tick Tock especially yeah I'm like do you even like people like I think not but um and it shows yeah yeah and uh and yeah and people think it's funny when they wear these shirts like the more people I meet the more my dog but but you're rehearsing for your subconscious if you really want to be with you know teaching people then um you you've got to help them you've got to help them um understand what you understand and sometimes so let's talk about the the young trainers on social media then and there's more and more of them and I think it's great um because it's tough because you're in you're in a goldfish Bowl but if you could you know get them all in a room and and give them like a couple pieces of dice what would you like to say to the young people that are on social media trying to train in front of the world and you know um share all right so the mid the Broadway musical Hamilton yeah I I've seen it three times on Broadway oh you're lucky I've watched it about 20 times on Disney plus yeah I love it and um there's a line in it where uh Alexander Hamilton was telling Aaron Burr no Aaron Burr was telling Alexander Hamilton uh talk less smile more I don't like that but what I do like is talk less train more and I think there should be a lot less talking about things that you may not know as much as you think you do you might know a little okay you know that saying a little knowledge is a dangerous thing yeah you know a little but train more improve your skills more now I'm not going down the road of house a lot of balance trainers say oh um Force for your positive reinforcement Traders never show their work now that's I don't agree with that I say that yeah but I'm also talking more behind the scenes train more learn more before you get better with your skills yeah and especially before you get on soapboxes about it yes because I see I do see a lot of people and they mean well that are speaking about things and they're being asked questions that I know they really don't have an answer to and if they hadn't started the fight to begin with they wouldn't have been backed in a corner so I do see unfortunately quite a few people looking a little foolish and walking right into it because they spoke on things that they may not know I I don't think that the answer is US necessarily always saying well this person's doing it wrong and here's why this person's doing it wrong and here's what show what you're

doing that's right yeah and talk about what is correct and talk about what worked for you and talk about what worked for your clients and um I just think that is more the way that I would love to see the face of positive reinforcement on social media but unfortunately quite a bit of it is uh trainers coming on and you know tagging people that are doing it wrong showing clips that are the wrong or in their mind the wrong way and yeah it's just uh I don't yeah especially if you're trying to be or if you're you're you're saying you're force-free trainer um like I always say that I want people to be able to see who the reinforcement-based trainers are by the way they treat other people they and talk to them in in a chat or comment on their video that it's clear you know who they are because uh or it's clear what their beliefs are about about learning and uh right and I have it you know I've been a vegan for 15 years so I've seen the Evangelical way they beat up people for meeting eating meat and I've and I I've been I'm in some of those groups and I would say you know um if you truly want people to eat less meat like let's not even go with having the Molly nobody like I just take one meal a day and not eat meat um maybe giving them some recipes rather than giving them a club to the Head might go a little like like people don't understand and and that is and that is true I think though it also you're lying about um train speak lesson train more is also for those people teaching in person because I see that with a lot of young people who are teaching classes they talk forever and these poor dogs are sitting against the wall and not doing anything and they get out and then the dogs start biting on their leash or rolling on their back and yeah give you know give instruction at first and so we're in the era of computers so give them their you know this is what we're going to work on for the first five minutes and get the dogs out there doing stuff so I think that that comment could be used in in for people on social media and for people in in real life yes absolutely yeah so you know I mean people have to you know people are going to express themselves in the way like I said I just wish that that's kind of become the Mantra or the the perception I'll say of positive reinforcement trainers and force-free I hate the labels but yes that's what it's called now you know I don't even know that label till I got on social media I'd never heard of it before and I was like wow I've never been called it well I've I've been called a balance trainer by some of the force fee people yeah they do that too and I've and I was called a

force retrainer when I was on that podcast a couple weeks ago and I'm like wow that's the first time anyone who's ever called me that I don't have labels I don't I don't go by the way I never called myself anything I mean I always said that I use positive reinforcement techniques but I didn't um yeah this the labels have been kind of strange the labels and all the focusing on the quadrants this is all stuff that I'm like other than what's in the quadrants just so you don't know yes yes you have like 500 students a year go through your school so yeah what is the um the the biggest stumbling block for getting getting the the information from their heads down to the leash what do you think that is huh that's a good question so here's the thing this is another thing and I think we should could maybe talk about this a little bit um the average student will stay for eight weeks wow person on the average absolutely and then I would say so you will so say if you get 100 people that are all starting at a certain time they'll that like maybe eighty percent will do eight weeks that's really all the average everyday dog owners willing to give I know it's yeah it's eight weeks that's about it so you gotta make those eight weeks so packed full of information now I have something called um I do a levels program so uh dogs all start in level one and then there's a puppy level one if they're younger than in six months but they start in level one and then they progress through the levels as they um the dog pick you know and they accomplish skills but each level is offered three times a week so if you sign up for classes at my um facility you can come three times a week it's all for the same price you can come three yeah three times a week you can get their training in in a classroom get their training in so as opposed to pretty much 99 of other places in the area they do your standard right six week or eight week class where you come once a week so you're the and I used to do that too I changed to this levels program I think about 10 years ago um and I I the way I train that changed was because one summer I said you know I'm gonna try something I did a program it was called total dog and I offered it three times a week one day the first day we did one of the days we did obedience and manners one day we did um intro to Dog Sports and then the last day we did um probably just mostly impulse control exercises one after the other okay so we need to add the three different things I did that just for a summer and I had people sign up for the progress those dogs made was incredible it was night and day and I said and it was because

they paid a certain price so they were going to make sure they came all three days and it was only 25. so these people trained so much and so and not hard they just trained smart and they kept coming it's kind of the same concept with um when you send your child to school they don't go to school well like what if kids just went once a week to school I mean they would love that they love it absolutely they would for sure I like that that's outside the box thinking about education Lori that's a that's yeah well and I'm not I'm not the creator of the levels there were other places that were doing it before me around the country and I was reading about it and I was kind of like but but and here's the thing too with the levels is open enrollment so people are coming going all the time so you might have one person in that came in that night and is starting you'll have another person that's on their third week another so you had to become a multitasking instructor like nobody's business like so it wasn't just standard reading from a script yeah okay on week one we do this on week two so boy did that um that made me a better trainer and everybody who works with me a better Trader and I had some trainers who could not do it their brain couldn't work in that way and I get it so you get like a lot of people on one day and uh not so many people it kind of is but it kind of um evens out which is weird because I had so many fears before I started um I thought that that was gonna happen like we're gonna have like 25 people on Monday and nobody on Wednesday believe it or not that did not happen um there were times when we just got uh extra like the class just got big and I had to add more more time slots but it never got to where I couldn't handle it like we just recently this is the first time um since covid we just recently um had to add additional level one classes and during the day we would never prior to covert we would have never been able to have large Day Day weekday classes because people were working right now a lot of people work for home from home and I also happen to have a large part of my client tell as retirees which um I think is also different than a lot of people that I see on social media they seem to have a younger um clientele I have many that are um you know either empty nesters or completely retired so anyway so we add just add more time slots of the levels and that takes care of them yeah so there's ways of now what I also thought let me tell you what this is really kind of funny when I first switched people actually called and said because I was in a panic before I switched I was like

people are not I don't know people are going to want this right I had people call and they said you know they ask questions you know and so um how much does it cost and blah blah and then I said yeah and you can come three times a week and I actually had probably about a good many people that said three times a week oh no I don't want to do that like they did not the prospect of having to come three times a week made them completely Retreat I can't do that crazy isn't that my blogging but but listen Susan I yeah I was scared then I was like uh I don't know if people are going and and it did drop momentarily the registration is kind of dipped for a second and I said I'm gonna hold steadfast because you know what maybe those people that are are intimidated by coming three times a week or don't want that yeah maybe that's not the person I want maybe I need to hold on because the people who want more training are out there yeah yeah so now this is what now I get people calling and say three times a week what and I don't have to pay more I get all that yeah so that's the person I got finally reached the person that I wanted anyway yeah and um and now it's just going so fabulous and we've been out right back from covid like nobody's business and that's what you that's what you want you know when um when we started our online classes in 2008 and I said there's a lot there's like millions of people around the world that have dogs that could that could afford our class but we don't want them all we want the people who are our people right right so there will be people that are listening to this conversation a lot of people just want free stuff and and and they're happy like going around and taking little bits and yeah bits and pieces and and and never really getting that kind of relationship with their dog that they could if they would invest in themselves right so you know it's it's okay as a dog trainer to I I think it's fabulous that you stuck with it no one yeah the value in getting a chance to get mentored training three times a week those are the people that I want because they think more they they expect more of themselves and they don't they have lower expectations of their dogs absolutely and you know what and it's kind of like you know if you if you sign up for a weight loss program if you don't see results it is hard to stick with it it it's just that because that's what I brought brought like right from my business I was a personal trainer you know yeah people trying to lose weight trying to build muscle and training for a bodybuilding competition or whatever so but they need to see the progress if

they come more often they're going to see the progress absolutely so it um so they get so much more training within that eight week period now probably out of that a hundred eighty percent of them are going to then fall off they're gonna but they come back Susan oh yeah which I can get to that later too they come back and they send their neighbors and their friends so I'm okay with that 20 that will keep going they'll go on to the next eight weeks and let me see learn more and then they'll probably get their cgc's their Canine Good citizens and then maybe they might maybe another five or ten percent might also break off because they got what they needed for that and ten percent I want to start learning some Dog Sports so they might take an intro to Dog Sports class or a beginning agility class or a beginning rally class and then out of them that's the people that stick with me um I think we were talking about this the other day for years some of them I can't get rid of even if I wanted to yeah I can't get rid of them so but no that really helps that longevity and um it's really good marketing too I I know because they have well-trained dogs they end up with a well-trained dog because training has become addictive for them right did you write three of our of the people in the chat two two okay did you give me we're gonna give away some prizes for a second yay so this is my one of my favorite pieces of fitness equipment oh yeah it's from Blue nine it's called the Propel why I love it is um because when you're starting Fitness with dogs back in the day when um the inflatable discs came out I bought a bazillion of them and I um and I would have my dogs on it but I realized that that's putting especially puppies in a tough situation so I start them on this because it's tougher it's inflatable but it's harder so it's they don't have to balance as much because when you have a puppy or a dog that's doing that on inflatable stuff you're working on the the small muscles the stabilizer muscles and what we really want to work on first is the big muscles so the Propel is one of my favorite I'm giving away two of them thank you to the people at Blue 9 because they're amazing so the team picked two people um so podcast episode number 166 puppy Freedom how much is too much that was Veronica Lee Wald fudge I I can't say I'm not I'm not a linguist anymore I was self I I gave myself that title a few hours an hour ago number uh the second one the winner is episode number 183 train the dog in front of you and that is going to Amy I can't read your writing is that jump Amy's jump Cyclone yep scicon Amy jumps icon well it's fitting

your name is jump and you're winning a piece of fitness equipment thank you um Lori I I'm got to move on this has been fantastic thank you um I love your the Insight of what you're doing in the in-person classes please keep on sharing your positivity and your outlooks on social media you're a blessing to everybody that's training dogs and everybody that owns a dog so if you haven't followed Lori jump over to Canine Diva and thank you for being with us tonight all right thank you Susan congratulations thank you I think okay Swagger loves everybody okay our next guest um probably needs no introduction because um Emily Laurel is Kiko pup on YouTube and I think one of the first dog trainers on YouTube um so she is a renowned a professional dog trainer and founder of dogmatics Manx dog training she gained Fame on YouTube with Kiko pop featuring over 350 free dog training tutorials Emily pioneered Progressive reinforcement training which shuns psychological or physical intimidation and training Emily holds her skills as an apprentice to Kyle rayon a prominent dog trainer she combines art and training skills to train complex behaviors and solve problematic ones Emily has given seminars across the globe and featured in various media outlets and she's just a genuine person I mean she is who she appears she's helpful she's awesome and you're if you haven't had a to talk to or meet Emily here she comes on the stream Emily how are you really good and I'm really excited about being invited on this 200th episode so thank you oh thank you and thank you for being here Swagger she seems my hands go up there it's usually the end and we'll be going through something that has become a cue that we're about to get off the stream and and I usually do my final training session at night and yeah it's gone bad when I've done this eight times and no training well so well not some hard traveling I'm sure you've got a lot of fans out there everybody knows about you where how many how many dog trainers were on YouTube when you started do you know there couldn't have been many um not very many uh just just just a few um and so what made you say hey I'm going to do a tutorial after tutorial after tutorial um okay so so first I started my channel because I wanted to I had a little chihuahua named Kiko so I called my channel pup and I was gonna just show her doing tricks um then I saw like a video that showed this is what positive reinforcement trainer training is and first you give the treat and then you give the correction and I was like whoa what so so then I thought I I'm just gonna make a tutorial I'm just gonna make a

tutorial so if if someone wants to learn about this other way they can and then and then 32 people subscribe to my channel and I was like oh my goodness I'm helping 32 people you know like find out like it totally got me addicted to um to like being able to spread uh information that really um and at the time were you a professional trainer uh let me try to think I just started um I just started teaching classes but I was a baby like in terms of baby look at you I'm 43. okay well you look you look a little bit younger than that like 12. I don't know um uh but yeah I had just begun my training career uh with maybe like a few years of of learning before then but uh it was like 17 years ago that I I started my YouTube channel or and what was your path up to that um on your way to becoming a professional trainer um I'll try to make it short but uh I had I had I always wanted to work with animals I I went into conservation and I was doing sea turtle conservation for a while um but it was it was like there was there was like I didn't I couldn't afford to do it anymore so yeah I love sea turtles by the way yeah so then I went into um uh like uh animal like rehabilitating rescued wildlife and then on the other side was the shelter and they were hiring so I went and I started working at the shelter next to the animal rehab um and then that is where I met my mentor um at a different I was at the closed facility so I actually got a great education because all the dogs there were either sick or unadoptable meaning they they hadn't um passed the ba test yet or that they'd failed it so I got to learn about all the diseases I got I got to like uh and and basically after being in that environment I realized I wanted to learn more so you know like going into a kennel uh of like the Hurricane Katrina dogs and there's like a Rottweiler and a small cage that's been in there for months uh because you know they had heartworm and they hadn't had their tests yet and I go in and then the Rottweiler won't let me leave so you know I've cleaned everything up now it's time to leave and then the dogs pinned me like against the the door that opens inwards and I'm like there's gotta be there's got to be something that I could do you know and I think maybe that was one of the experiences that led me to I really want to learn about training these dogs rather than just caring for them and trying to make their life um variable and shelter and would you recommend that for people today young people who want to learn more about dog training to to find a shelter and take that route maybe not with the pinning with the Rottweiler um definitely like I was lucky enough

that my my mentor was at the the public facility um and the the manager of behavior and training had learned from Ted Turner so it was all run based on the information of Ted Turner everyone was using harnesses and and so I was in this little bubble of of positive reinforcement so I was like this is how all shelters are run and all classes are run and then when I went to you know YouTube I was like whoa people need to learn about it thinks that the key the key is finding a mentor that you trust and that want to learn from like if you go to a mentor and you have like feelings like of uncomfortability like nowadays you can learn from people online you can research trainers that you like and find these online mentorships and then go and volunteer at rescues rather than um you know yeah great idea that's what I said especially because a lot of people have a breed that they love right that they um would love to work with and so yeah there's a lot of rescues that are looking like for foster homes you could do training right in your own home with a rescue um that and every dog you train you get to be a better trainer right so I think that's been one of my advantages in dog agility because I always ran four dogs three or four dogs so I was I was having like I I have three or four careers by the time I had 10 years in I had 40 years worth of experience for compared to the people who ran one dog at a time and so I think the more dogs you can train the more success that um at training you get to have and even if you don't want to be a trainer you just you know want want to to a practice or B help help out a rescue I think that's a great thing for sure and and so do you have any regrets at going on social media so young and putting because you're putting yourself in the Fishbowl of the public I I think that um I I don't know where I learned it but I right from the start maybe it's because I am a little bit socially anxious or I um I really like to you know make sure that I um I'm presenting myself in a way that it won't come back to bite me in the butt so like everything that I say online and in a video when I watch through a video or I'm talking online I think to myself can someone turn this around and use it against me or even like can they take that sentence out of this paragraph and then use that and go ha ha then you said this and so like I I'm I'm constantly like thinking about how other people's behavior works and and um also presenting um my work in a way where I feel like it's uh it's a choice and there was a time in the past where I made a couple videos of Don't train this way right don't do this

to your dog and those were the videos that people got really really angry and frustrated me and I actually deleted them um oh wow so there's one on on Tick Tock where I said uh don't let your dog play with a stick and it's like I I haven't checked it's probably got 300 or 400 000 and people are going nuts on it right and here are the reasons you don't let your dog play with a stick I know dogs who've got impaled and almost died and then people in the comments will write the horror stories about their dog did die because of and but what is the number one toy for the average dog owner is a stick so I got that one too I just stopped reading the comments so I didn't care but yeah probably really good advice there's no absolutes really you know it's what's right or wrong for you but you know it's it's a great PSA and take it or leave it that's but that's a really that's a really good suggestion for sure and so um you now have uh you you have a membership in your on your YouTube page that people get extra videos from that now is there any coaching or is it just extra video that you give it's just an extra video that's more based for like dog trainers or people who want like more advanced um material so like I might problem solve a behavior with my dog or or something like that rather than something on YouTube where people just want the steps and not too much uh what happens if this happens what happens if if that happens type thing and so you've you've been in in this space for so many years have you've never done an online classroom have you have you ever thought of that I I don't know why I I'm nervous for the I think it's because I'm also dyslexic so um it would have to be an online classroom where I don't have to read what the person uh so I always have somebody doing the reading for me you might have seen me stumbling over these intros today because I didn't but when I generally Linda does the reading for me and I now I'm just like um people who are watching this it's fine if I didn't say the words in the right order and I didn't I trust me I didn't I don't think I made up any of these bios but none of them were written written as they were read to you as they were written but um yeah so it's it's a problem when you have to read in public we get over it so when you um if you were I can ask you the same question I asked Lori so if you see people coming up in I mean it's a different era when you're a young up and coming dog trainer or you just want to train your dog publicly and then it goes somewhere what is would you give the biggest the best piece of advice you could give to these um young people that are training

on Tick Tock for example or where they're getting a lot of people watching them yeah um I think my tip is uh whenever you say something that you don't know if or if it's your opinion you say before you say it in my opinion and I'll say in my honest opinion I believe this and there's no scientific evidence but this is what I believe and I'll say that just so they get the disclaimer that you know rather than you should always go through the door first you know because then the dog will learn you know and the dog will think or you know if I talk about how the dog is thinking I say in my opinion I believe the dog might be thinking or feeling this way rather that is a great piece of advice or even to say this is how I do it right or this is what works for my dogs but to make blankets blanket statements like dog training is evolving and the way we all do things right now 20 years from now like there'll be pieces of it that you can see but it will be so different and so yeah the the absolutes are um are going to be a point of judgment aren't they yeah yeah in my hallucination I learned Quinn because that's my one of my favorite lines I always say in my hallucination I heard that's a trigger now for people and you can't say that anymore it's it's not polite because um it means it's got a meaning it's one of my favorite things when I'm trying to explain why I think my point is correct is well yeah in my imagination in my made-up world of uh and where I live who is so whose influence you're training the most uh it depends I kind of like uh when I started training I I I did um I got lots of different things from different places so my the the mentor that you talked about um at the at the Humane Society wasn't into Lauren and wasn't into trick training but really into like uh the dog's emotional state and and and arousal and how we can change that using food like you can build arousal and lower it around with food and that blew my mind that's awesome but then I saw um I I went on YouTube and I saw Mary Ray with her dog and then I saw he used luring and then I was like I'm gonna do it I'm gonna try it I'm gonna try it and and I was amazed and everyone was like you can't lower you can't lure it and I was like I don't care I think those are my two major influences right at the beginning because I like I like to uh um I I like to tell people that Mary Ray she was here teaching and I love training tricks and that's and I had no interest in doing freestyle because I didn't want to dress up and dance I didn't see that as a part of me um but I was doing some tricks with my border collie and my Jack Russells and I had them weaving backwards between my

legs and she's like wait what are you doing and how did you teach that and um so I'm the one that taught Mary Ray how to teach her dogs to read backwards between legs I didn't know it was a thing it was just yeah probably I was getting something wrong and said hey this is kind of cool I appreciate that you came on here today I I know that you do not like speaking in public but you are amazing at it so I think you should you know do it because you got so many great things to share and Inspire um young people and people who are struggling with their with their dog training so I encourage you to um you know maybe come back and chat with me again but definitely um do more of it because uh you're a great inspiration thank you so thank you for being here and yeah we're giving away more prizes Swagger says thank you for being here too Emily wow I can't imagine what Behavior he's reading off of you yeah it's I think I I keep trying and I think it's a tone in my voice when I start when I start thanking or wrapping up there's something that he's he's ready he's ready to say goodbye to dogs are amazing aren't they they if we could pick up patterns of reinforcement the way they could yeah I probably would eat way too many chocolate chip cookies that's for sure thank you Emily thank you Swagger okay um we are going to give away some prizes so um we're gonna give away just to let you know um the the hearts for Emily she is awesome she um she said she didn't um she doesn't accept being on podcast but she would do this one and I'm really glad she did because I think she needs to do more of them and I said you know one positive experience will be a springboard to many more so um I'm going to tell you that we're going to give away um next Wednesday we're going to keep our classrooms open I said we keep them open for a weekend next Wednesday we will announce our final share winner but for now um what are we gonna give away um okay for tonight let me tell a neck per a Nick Perot you know being Canadian I can say the French names and Nick Perot uh you have won a restore bed thank you to the good Folks at Blue nine and um so we have yes for those of you who are late to the parade you can go to dogsat.com forward slash 200 and there you see we have all of our classrooms you can join any one of them and it is at the you know it's the best best price you're ever going to see them at let me tell you that much and while you're there scroll to the bottom of the page scroll to the bottom of the page and you will see a a eBook that tells you how to make a snuffle mat and if you haven't watched podcast episode 200 you'll want that and

just because it's the number one thing I mentioned in my podcast that isn't related to dog training and it is um the this is a recipe for my favorite vegan chocolate chip cookies that are also gluten-free but they taste good unlike a lot of gluten-free stuff they actually are yummy and let me know if you've actually made those while you're listening to me tonight um it's not the pictures that aren't straight my camera is is going a little screwy right now so sorry so the pictures are straight it's the camera but I want to give away some more I've got be kind Flyers and I want you to share in the comments one takeaway from tonight one this is worth this is this was worth sitting in and listening uh to this for what guest had a line something that touched your heart something that you wrote down that you're going to do about your dog training so leave me a comment and um in the end we're going to pick two with something um okay there we got one we're sending a flyer out to good sir sketch always be willing to grow that's a great one oh I love this one where did it go I can't you're you're talking so fast I think I might have to give away three uh I'm giving away a third gift yeah I'm giving away I got more things I got more things to give away here um Okay so I'm here we go this is a good one from Ashley Hatfield you and your dog's Brilliance is bigger than your insecurities Ashley that's a nice nice spin on what Elliot said our Brilliance is bigger than our failure that's that was how he said it that was great okay and now I'm gonna give away a toy now so and we can what I want you guys to do is you're going to go over to my Facebook page and we're going to put up a post that's going to have a gem on it and I always knew that dyslexia could see in 3d I didn't know that autistics can't visualize that's crazy or maybe it's the whatever is with Matt um so if you go over to my YouTube page or my Facebook page Susan Garrett dog agility is the the slash on Facebook there'll be a post that says your gems from this live stream put your gems on there and we will give let's give another um other another um I love these beds sorry they're called a restore restore dog bed goes it's got little handles to go on your climbs if you have a climb but they're just a great dog bed even if you don't have one so yeah I don't want to say absolutes you're right Kathleen some uh Ops autistic people can visualize absolutely and that's why I said in Matt's case whatever because the way my brain works is very different than other dyslexic people um so I'm looking I'm looking to see so if you go there we're going to pick a gem winner next Wednesday as well for we'll

give that away so we're going to see I'm going to pick one more there's some good ones what one that I don't I think that this is a great one for anybody Don Martin gratitude Journal three things you're grateful for I put a new rule I've been doing this for I think 10 years keeping a gratitude journal and I made a new rule for myself because I would find that sometimes my gratitude Journal was filled up with my dog training session this is why it was so amazing so I made a new rule that at least two of the three had to be for people in my life I didn't want to fill up every single day about dog training oh we're giving away that's to John John this is what you're winning John it's a tud toy that you can actually put food in there if you want in that ball because that works double whammy but don't you know if your dog loves to chew don't let them have this toy so um I want to first of all before you guys uh say goodbye I would like you to give some hearts to our sponsors for my Merle and and blue nine for anytime I say I want to give your things away please um they don't say no so thank you go and visit their their websites go buy their stuff and also you see at the bottom dogsat.com forward slash 200 if you're my people and you would like me to Mentor you in one of our programs um myself and the amazing team of coaches that we have would love to help you have a better relationship learn some games and have amazing outcomes with your dog so just go over there and if you haven't been there grab the recipes make those chocolate chip cookies and come back and tell me that they are amazing because I think they're uh yeah we announced the Nick yep okay thank you guys for being here this is my first three hour live stream ever thank you for any of you who've been on for the whole three hours and thank you to my team who are behind the scenes being as amazing as they always are and uh let's give a special shout out to the video team at dogs that who've been putting up those crazy animations and video clips to help keep our podcast so engaging for people to watch on YouTube so I just want to give a special shout out to uh Chris and Jude and well I don't want to leave it at that Sharon and Elena and the whole Dogs Out team you're amazing guys okay you're saying goodbye to you all