E348: 켈리 다니엘(Kelly Daniel) - 기본을 넘어: 피트니스에 대해 깊이 파고들기

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to be able to apply that to their dog so you need to kind of understand the basics of that your dog has a skeleton that's like the framework for their body and how they hold themselves and how they move the bones and the skeleton are joined at the joints and the joints are the parts that allow them movement and then the muscles attach to those bones and go over the joints and they're the parts that create the movements so being able to understand those basics will really give you a good head start and kind of leading on from that as your understanding develops being able to look at an individual dog and its structure or its bones will really help you understand if that dog is holding good form or if it's their structure that's kind of impacting how they might be standing or moving and as you kind of keep diving in being able to understand a little bit of where the muscles are and how they work will really help you understand sort of the purpose of exercises and picking things that work for your individual dog and their needs you kind of mentioned form before i asked you about anatomy so i want to talk about that a little more so um obviously it's going to vary a little bit from exercise to exercise but are there like key ideas that you can understand maybe from a high level um and then what kind of things should listeners kind of keep in mind um when they're thinking about form during the actual exercises with their dog so form is definitely a term that you see a lot and you hear a lot but sometimes we don't really understand what it means so i like to define form as a dog's ability to hold itself in a position or move and we kind of have like correct ways of doing these and we can look at key indicators of how they are moving or how they are holding themselves to help us understand if they are holding good form so before we go into those key indicators i think it's really important to think about like the things that can impact form because there's some things that are not to do with you at all so a dog's structural impact form um so being able to learn a little bit about structure will really help you understand is my dog standing badly because of understanding all their muscles or are they standing like that because that's how their skeleton is built um sometimes we see issues in form and that can be a red flag or even changes in form a red flag for an issue that you need to get your dog checked out um for so there are definitely red flags of things that might be an injury or um something

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that's not working properly even an illness sometimes and it's really important we start to develop our understanding so that we can tell when we need to get our dogs checked does that make sense yeah yeah yeah so the indicators that we generally look at for form we need to look at the dog's body and there's a couple of points we can look at in our dog's body generally that will give us an indication of form so when they're holding a position i like to go from the feet up so i'm looking at the back feet i'm looking at if their toes are aligned level with each other i'm looking at that they're pointing forwards or towing out or towing in i'm looking if they're evenly weighted and then i'm looking at the same thing on the front legs as well are they level with one another are they towing out are they towing in are they evenly weighted um depending on how they're sitting we can then go up and look at the joints above that and we're looking for similar things are they aligned correctly if the bones are meant to be straight up and down like if they're standing are they straight up and down so are the hocks straight when they're standing are the forearms straight and under the shoulders we can keep moving upwards then the next point i generally look at is the core and their back so their top line i'm looking for a strong engaged core and generally we can see that in the top line so is their back straight and strong or is it curving upwards and curving downwards and then we want to look at their head position so is their head going straight or is it turned to the side or twisted generally we want their head to be in a natural position relative to their spine and often that would be um with their nose kind of level with the ground so that's like a lot of indicators but generally in my head i go does that dog look like it's standing nicely does it look like it's sitting nicely if it's not then i'm going to go and look for those specific indicators to see what part of their body is not holding great form when you were talking about the neutral head position and said level with the ground you kind of mean in parallel right it's like their muzzle is parallel to the ground okay yeah just making sure yeah yeah i mean the main thing we see in fitness where the form in terms of the head position is an issue is often the dog's head is lifted too high because the handler is too high and that has heaps of implications for the rest of their body because when the dog shifts their head upwards it actually

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shifts all their weight backwards that's how they initiate weight shift backwards by lifting their head so if a dog's head is lifted that's going to potentially impact form and the whole rest of their body as well so i think that you kind of mentioned something in there that i think is important and this idea that okay you've got the treat you've got the handler position you've got the dog's head you've got the dog's body you've got you know maybe some props and a lure and you're trying to like simultaneously train the dog on what it is you want them to do and get them to understand the behavior and potentially you know also get some stillness there's a lot going on there so any tips to make it easier to kind of observe form in the moment or maybe even set things up so that you can evaluate it after the fact yeah definitely um so it is really hard especially if you're new and you're learning and it does get better the more that you do so the more that you watch and not just your own dogs watch other people's dogs look at photos look at videos the more you practice the more you'll get comfortable and you'll get better at evaluating form so in the moment my number one recommendation best that you can manage it in the space that you're working is mirrors so when i'm working with my dogs i'm very lucky to have a space it's literally why i bought my property i've got a nice training shed it's got good lighting and i bullied my partner into making me a mirror system so with that mirror system where i sit i can see the back of the dog so when they're facing me and i can see the side of the dog from where i'm sitting i don't need to move i can see all of the views i understand i'm very lucky to have this but even just having one mirror or a reflective surface like a window or a glass door or a ranch slider will have a huge impact and being able to assess and correct form there and then in the moment so like my goal this month because i'm picky and i'm geeky with fitness that's why i like to do these things is i'm trying to make every repetition better and the only way i can do that is to evaluate in the moment and make changes between individual reps so a mirror will make a huge difference um if you don't have the space and we often don't in canine fitness because we're doing it in our living room or in the hallway or wherever we can um so one recommendation is i know a lot of people store their fitness gear in a cupboard can you put a mirror on the inside of that cupboard door so when you open it it swings open if a mirror swings it gives you heaps more opportunity to do

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small adjustments to be able to see the things you need to see um and then the next thing is is if you can't use a reflective surface if you can't use a mirror then you're going to have to set up a camera do a few reps and stop and review that video footage before you move on it's going to be like it's going to feel really slow and it's going to feel really like cumbersome to do but it'll allow you to in a session make immediate improvements and the cool thing about having everything on video footage is if you see something concerning that you're not sure how to fix you can send it to a person if you see something concerning that you think is a red flag that you need to get your dog checked you have it on video to show the veterinarian because our dogs are really good at looking amazing when we go to the vet or the rehab specialist yeah they're excellent at being fantastic at hiding all of the things yeah um i love the tip about the swinging door on the cabinet i think that's fantastic and it sounds like um maybe people should just always video anyway even if they also have mirrors they should video yeah i do and i mean i started initially to obviously create videos as resources for teaching but it's really made the biggest impact to all of the training that i do um because i can i review it when i edit it before i upload it so even if i don't look there and then in a session i almost always sort of scan through that footage and honestly almost every single session whether it's canine fitness or my obedience work or my agility work i pick up a thing i need to fix next session so it's definitely made a huge impact to me as a trainer and what i'm doing with my dogs yeah it's so valuable to have video footage of your you doing the thing and your dog doing the thing and the things that we don't even realize we're doing physically that we're doing that we see on video later um yeah yeah um even though i like it's hard like most of us don't like to be on video especially watch ourselves awkward yeah i know if you can see yourself and you can hear yourself but you know what you just kind of have to do it yeah um so talk to me a little bit about the difference between you know kind of dipping a toe into the canine fitness world versus you know jumping in deep how deep can you go with this stuff um what are some of the benefits maybe to gaining that more detail and understanding of fitness work with their dogs so like like i said earlier even just making a start and having a go is going to be of benefit to you and your training partnership with your dog

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and your dog's physical fitness so as a start point i'm looking at any person having an assessment and having a set program and just working really hard on that program and trying to do the exercises as you see in your instructional videos like that's a really good place to start if you're not too sure what you're doing just trying to make what your dog is doing in your fitness workout look the same as the videos that you're using as a reference um if they look the same then you're probably going to be doing it you know somewhat correctly but i mean obviously you can go into a huge amount of depth and the advantage with being able to go deep in the geekiness of canine fitness is that you can really make the exercises and all of the workouts that you're doing much more specific and appropriate for your dog and their needs whether that be their physical and structural needs um and just their general physical fitness needs but also specifically for the sports that you do and the exercises you're doing in your sports there is so much canine fitness you can do that's specific and going to help your dog with their sports exercises even like obedience heel work you can do specific exercises that will improve your dog's understanding and form of heel work and you can do it in that different context so you're building muscle and strength you're building understanding and you're going to improve your dog's form not only in the fitness exercises but in your sport and i think that's the biggest advantage to being able to go super geeky apart from obviously being better physically from your dog it's been able to make positive impacts in other areas of their life as well in their training i like that um okay so zooming out for a second like if you what are you aiming for like big picture when you're kind of creating a balanced fitness routine or a balanced fitness uh program for a dog and then you know if you zoom back in what does that look like kind of at the individual workout level so big picture i'm looking for a program that has balance i need them to work different aspects of fitness and i also need them to work all the different parts of their bodies in slightly different ways so what that means is over a week i'm looking at are they doing some strength and balance work are they doing some cardiovascular work are they doing some flexibility and stretching they're kind of the main areas there's other like little sort of side branches you can go you repeat them one more time you're sick so i just want to make sure what were they okay so um so i want them

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to be doing some power and strength work i want them to be in some balance and stability work and then some cardiovascular work yeah a lot of the time with the balance and stability and sometimes the cardiovascular work we get some proprioception work which is where the dog has an understanding of where their limbs are in space so that's kind of another aspect of fitness but you kind of cover it in those other areas so that's kind of the big picture they need to be doing a little bit of each of those things they might be doing some of them in their walks they might be doing some of them in their sports specific training so i kind of like the fitness work to balance out the areas that you're not doing in other places because we're all time poor so that's kind of the big picture with fitness is looking at covering those different aspects of fitness does that make sense yep yep okay what was the other part of the question okay so that's that's the big picture piece right um what about if we zoom back in and we're looking at it kind of an individual workout level how does that um what do you kind of aim for there so with an individual workout for any specific dog i'm kind of looking at those overall core aspects of fitness and making sure i'm covering those but i'm also going to make it specific to the dog's individual needs so i'm going to look at the focus for that dog in their fitness and the focus for the dog in their sports and then i can tailor those different aspects of fitness to meet those needs so an example of that is my red cocker spaniel grid is unfortunately in our new zealand system a dog who's measured into a height class and he's a very small dog in that height class so he has to jump with all the border collies it's quite a big group of dogs and he's a very tiny boy and he has to jump a jump that he can walk under without ducking okay yeah it's ridiculous it's quite a big ask for him so even though he's got a relatively balanced fitness program and he's got a balanced fitness in his body a focus for him is always going to be working really hard on hind end strength so that he has enough power to jump those really high jumps and he can do it with with ease and with comfort and then i'm also going to work in stability in the shoulders and flexibility through the shoulders because he's jumping really high he's landing from a height on his shoulders if i don't address the flexibility and i don't address the stability of his shoulder joints he has the potential to get injured so i can pick specific exercises that still meet those

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general fitness criteria of doing some balance and stability and some strength and some cardiovascular fitness but i can also make sure that the individual exercises that i pick meet those additional needs um okay so thinking about all of that obviously uh you offer some of this so um and you have a couple things i think on the calendar coming up do you want to talk a little bit about those um i think there's a webinar and a class uh what are you covering in each what do folks need to know yep cool so the first thing um coming on the schedule in the near future is i have a webinar coming up on march the 14th it's called architecture of fitness structure and form and i'm kind of going into like part of the geeky stuff in a small way but as i always do i go into it in quite some detail so this is really to help you develop your eye for form evaluate your dog's structure and it gives you some exercises and some hints on there and then how to improve the form so what we're going to cover is sort of those all of the things that can impact form we're going to have a look at structure and how to make a structural assessment of your dog and i'm going to demo that with a couple of example dogs we're going to talk about all of the different aspects to what form is and what can impact form with your dog and then we're going to look at some real life examples and give you a variety of hands-on ways that you can in one exercise improve the form of your dog so that's the webinar that's coming up that kind of gives like a small snapshot of what the class that i've got coming up in the april term is going to get into so the april term class is about getting geeky all about fitness we're going to go into form and we're going to go into all of the other things in a large amount of detail so this would be perfect for anyone that has done a little bit of fitness already and wants to go deeper they want to learn how to do things that individually work for their dog they want to maybe make assessments of their dogs and pick things that are super appropriate and they really just want to develop their eye for form and have some hands-on ways of how they can improve it it would also definitely suit like i know there's a lot of us that unfortunately have dogs that have issues and are doing rehab or have done rehab so if you want a little bit of understanding of the sort of veterinary rehab side it would help you with some of the terminology and some of the language and understanding why you've been given the things that you might have

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been given in a rehab plan so if you're into improving your understanding of that it would definitely help as well so in the class we're going into form and a huge amount of detail we're going to go super geeky into anatomy we're going to talk about reinforcement strategies and training so like how to get them be still in fitness which is hard we like to have dogs that move we're sports people movement's more exciting being still is really hard we're going to go into a huge amount of detail of those different aspects of fitness all the different fitness exercises you can do and kind of how to put them together to make your workout that suits a specific dog and we're going to look at over a year how you can structure your workouts and build up towards certain events and then we're going to like basically look at developing people's skills at critically evaluating a specific dog and making a workout plan that works for them that was a really brief outline there's a lot of stuff in there i was looking at the syllabus and we were right when i was working on your questions and i was like there's there's kind of a lot in here so there is and like all my stuff i i know i'm super aware of putting a lot in um but it means that you can pick and choose what's relevant for you which is how i know i like to work i really want to provide material that suits people and their needs and by breaking it up into these areas it means like for now the anatomy might be too much and that's okay because you can come back and review that later in your um your class that will stay in your library right right um so any final thoughts or maybe key points you just want to leave listeners with um i guess for me it's just like canine fitness is super fun it will help your dog in their life which is really important for me i want dogs that are happy and functional and um sound in their everyday life but it's also going to help dogs with the other things that you do so have a go get started anything that you do is better than nothing um and hopefully you hooked into it like i am fingers crossed well um thank you so much for coming on the podcast kelly thank you for having me i've really enjoyed this little chat me too um and thank you to all of our listeners for tuning in we'll be back next week with erit bloom to chat about dealing with feelings for those big feeling dogs um if you haven't already subscribe to our podcast in itunes or the podcast app of your choice to have our next episode automatically downloaded to your

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