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But she's the dog that went through a lot of those early FDSA classes when I started with the academy. So the three keep me really busy. And just great to be here and share what I have to share with you guys. Awesome. Ashley? I am Ashley Escobar. And I've been participating in dog sports since I was a junior in 4-H and AKC juniors, confirmation and agility mostly. And I have had my own business since 2000 when I graduated college and was a college math professor for a short bit before having children. And then I retired from that and started my own business, full-time dog training, mostly focusing on prehab with canine conditioning and fitness. That's my passion with the animal sports. I've been doing some guest presenter for FNZ dog sports and super excited. Awesome. So I mentioned in the intro, the conference coming up is about cabin fever. So it kind of only seemed fair that we kind of start out our conversation by talking about maybe what that kind of looks like in your dogs. So what are some signs that you guys see when your dogs are starting to suffer? Kind of signs that they're telling you that maybe it's been too many days in a row kind of inside? Julie, you want to start us off? Yeah. You know, my dogs go along really, really well. But when they have been cooped up, they tend to have a lot less patience and they get a lot of grouchier with each other. And they'll be so scarred their bones that I'm giving them to enrich them and supplement their activity. But that's basically it. They are generally pretty good. You know, they have an off switches. But that's what I noticed. They're more grouchy and going to bark at each other or growl or something like that. It's tough. Yeah. Yeah. Ashley? My, so my Aussies are, they just start to wrestle and get very restless and just rough housing. I guess you would call it in the house, which they normally don't do because it's not allowed. The border collie goes shopping. She gets into bags, purses. She'll take them off the hooks. She wants to get toys and leashes. And she's certain that we've just lost all of the things that, you know, are her keys to outdoors. So she goes shopping and the others just start roughhousing. Yeah. Yeah. I know with mine, now that I'm down to one, she's kind of like at a loss for what to do. So it's basically, it's all eyes on mom and dad, what's happening next. And normally with, you know, herding breed there and German Shepherd, especially there, like you move, I move too. And it's even that much more emphasized because it, and it's like, instead of just like, oh, okay, we're going, it's just like, yippee.

And it's four off the floor and it's, you know, and, and running to the garage door and then running back and running to the garage door and running back as you're trying to make your way to the garage door. So it's just a little bit more excitement on, on, and keeping an eye on mom and dad because something might, interesting might end up happening. So that's how I know that she, she's just like, yeah, okay. Too many, too long days inside need to get out. I would say, I noticed that too, like they're more aware of our movements or if I just have to go outside, I put my coat on and think we're going somewhere. And then they're like, no, we're not going anywhere. And yeah, they're very aware of what we're doing at that point. Yeah. It's like just a minor trip out to the, out to the food recycling bin, you know, becomes a whole, like, Oh, we're going, it's viscabate. And then you get there and you turn around and come back. It's like, you can literally see her kind of go, huh? Okay. You can tell I'm talking to dog trainers though. Cause I can tell you in my house, when things could start to get too cooped up, everybody starts shredding everything. Suddenly I have paper on the house. I have counter surfing. I have rows of toilet paper that are no longer on the roll. That was, that was puppydom. That would, that would happen with puppydom, but it not so much now with the, you know, with the adult dogs, you know, they have a different way of, they're a little bit more controlled, if you will. If you want to call it that. Fair enough. You know, it's, it's, it's just like, um, you've got to find something to do. So, yeah. Joys of a 13 month old Bob. So folks listening to this almost certainly like they hear cabin fever and they think like enrichment, right? So we're totally going to talk about training as a form of enrichment in just a moment, but kind of before we do, I wanted to just ask, um, if any of you have like fun games or things you do that maybe aren't training, but that you like to, you know, play or things that you like to do to kind of help keep your dogs from, um, feeling it when you're stuck indoors for a while, Ashley. So I do, I do a lot of fitness obviously. So that's my one go-to, but that is kind of training ish, but I do play musical platforms with my dogs. So I have a ridiculous amount of climbs in my house and we will set them on different levels and the kids get involved because they get cooped up too. And we play releasing them to their name and then they get to the auto treat or a toy or something, and then they have to return back to their platform.

So the dogs fully know the game and they know once they get off and get their thing, they rush back because then they get, whoever gets back to it fastest. If they let two off, the first one gets the cookie. So that's, that's a fun game that kind of my kids have sort of invented because it gives them something to do and it tears out the dogs too. So that's been fun. We've done that since the raining season started. And when we just had this really cold weather, like we've, we've been doing that too. I classify it as what I call it. My couch training is I'll just sit on the couch and, and if Piper moves or does something, I'll just click. And then she goes, Oh, game on. What do you want? And then it's like, uh, it becomes a game of, um, this, not that, or that, not this. And so that's how some of our, our little minor tricks came about. Um, and then if I want to get sort of trainee ish, um, in the whole thing, then I'll go down and I'll play some of my, my concept games and things like that with her and just let her, um, focus on that type of thing because I don't do it as training particularly. And if I'm going to do anything, I'm going to probably focus on things that aren't going to require a lot of precision maybe, but just fun things that I can enroll into my regular everyday training. If that makes any sense to anybody. Yeah. Yeah. I think it does. Yeah. Um, for my dogs, you know, they really just like, um, the, the social interaction and attention. It was like, however, but generally they just, all of our dogs, they want, they love, you know, they're social, they're social animals. And, um, I might even just do some of my cooperative care and grooming that they're way overdue. So I'm, sometimes I might just brush them, which they don't like and, and, um, just get some of them, maybe they're nail clipping, but I also, um, will play with my dogs like on the ground, which get, which get the, um, dogs also playing with each other. Cause they really like my two young dogs would love to play together. I have a picture I took when we were opening presents on Christmas. They were in the background, like playing and with each other while we were opening presents. And I also like to do like hide and seek around the house. And my, our son is home from college. He's 18 and he's always done that while he runs and hides and we would have the dogs hunt for him. Um, so that's a really fun game because I think that's such a nice, um, like a recall game, um, you know, just to find us and it's, and they get crazy barking and everything. So that's what some of the stuff I do.

I also, um, would, when they were younger, would give them my junk mail and give them like paper towel rolls, but, um, they don't as much to the scrub in there cause they're, they're older, but. Yeah, actually that reminds me of the recall game too. I, it's one that my husband and I started doing is that he, he'd distract the dogs with cookies. He'd just walk over to the cookie jar. And then of course they're going to follow. And then I would go and hide. And then he, he'd turn around and he'd, he'd say, Oh, where did she go? And then it was like, she left. Where'd she go? We got to find her. And they, they go traipse all over the house. And, and it's quite, it's quite hilarious. It's a fun game. We missed out. We missed out. Okay. So it's a really good game to play. And it's a, it, like you said, Julie, it gives you a really good sort of recall in a way. Right. Cause then I, if, if you're not sure if they're coming, you can just do this little light whistle, like their heads swept back of there and they're tilting their heads and they're trying to figure out where it came from. And then they, they end up eventually coming to you. And obviously I got cookies for them when they get there, but yeah. Recall games in the house is good. Awesome. Lots of fun stuff. So to dive a little more into kind of that training thing, right? Like I'm pretty sure we've all been there. Now, Ashley mentioned kind of the cold front that just kind of went through. I think lots of listeners probably dealt with that here in the States, um, where we get kind of stuck indoors for whatever crappy weather or like just life, like does not lead to lots of outdoor dog time for a couple of days. Um, and the dog gets to that point where they're like, okay, do something now, please. So, um, let's talk about fun training games. So what are your favorite games to pull out to do with them? Heather, I'll let you, uh, start us off. Okay. For me, um, again, I, uh, I'll have to refer back to sort of my brain games and, and, um, my brain, I call them my brain, brain bender. If I get that out, spit it out. Um, the tongue bender too. Yeah, exactly. Um, and it's, um, I'm just starting to do, um, like that concept training, um, do as I do, uh, that, that copy, um, from Claudia Fugaza. Um, so I'm pulling that out and I do another one that's called the shell game. Um, so basically the dog has to know that they watch, you put the cookie under, under one cup. So you got three cups and you just kind of move them around. And first off, I start with two and then I add, add more. And then they have to guess which one it's in.

And if they make the wrong guess, you show them the right guess, but you take the cookie away. So then they start to pay more attention. Um, so that was kind of fun. Um, and, uh, again, I just, uh, am increasing, um, on the match to sample, um, class. I think we're up to with Piper, I'm up to five different items that she'll pick out. Um, if I hold one up and she can go out to the bin, I'm trying now just to switch them into a pile so that she has to go and pick out the individual one that I've got, um, that I'm showing her that I want. And at the same time, I'm starting to name those objects so that she has a little bit more of a repertoire on, on object names. So just basic sort of concept games that doesn't necessarily require a lot of room, but it still makes her brain work. And if I can tire her brain out, then her body usually follows suit. Um, and then of course, um, Julie will like this one because you, you do nose work. I just, I'll do nose work in and around the house as well. So, so just to, just to be good. So the match to sample, you have like a bunch of things out and you hold up one chest final that matches it. Is that? Yep. She's post she's. So basically, um, when I'm teaching it in, in, in a class format, like at, at FENSE, um, we do it like on a workstation. So I'm, I started out with the workstation and then I've got, I teach her, I go through all the process of teaching the match. And so right now she's up to, up to five, um, ones that she knows. And then I'm now introducing a new unknown object she's never dealt with before. So say, um, a water bottle. Um, right. So she's, Oh, so water bottle. Can you pick out that water bottle from which one matches the one that I've got in my hand? And then she goes along, she picks it out. Um, so that's what your match to sample is. And basically sort of match the sample. That's the visual match to sample. Your olfactory match sample is your utility articles, right? Or your nose work, uh, or your tracking. That's you teach the dog to, to, um, match the sample of what you're looking for. And that's how they go and find it. Right. So they know that that sample pays off and sort of the same thing you do when you're doing, um, you know, like cancer, um, cells and that's matched a sample. Very cool. What about you? What do you play? Well, um, so separate from my presentation, um, I like to work on cue discrimination. Um, you know, rotate my dogs through their well-known behaviors, um, sit down, spin or stand. And it's a great actually time to work on those location and reward specific markers.

Um, cause I really want those on, um, to, to, to, um, discriminate them well, you know, so that it makes sense of them when I'm using them. Um, if it is a nose work game, I love my go to source, which is going to be in my presentation. That's just, um, a simple example would be, um, you know, get over from work or you're tired, you don't have a lot of time, um, or your dog's going to do something and you don't want to set up stuff is you just put a hide in one place on an object that can be moved and you just have them find it. And you move, you rotate the object and you have them go back and find it again. And they have to actually go to source and, you know, not remember where it was before. And it's just a really simple game. Um, but I have many variations of a go to source game. So if I want to do nose work, that's kind of some of the stuff I would work on. That sounds cool. Yeah. Cause you don't have to like keep moving the hide or you just need the hides in one place and then you'll just move the object or I've used a shoe cubby hole, um, or I'll put it in one of the cubby holes in the shoe box and then I'll just rotate it. And then they just have to find which cubby hole it's in. Um, so things like that. Very cool. Yeah. What about you, Ashley? I, my go-to for this last month and a half has just maybe three set up and I have the platforms on one side of the room with the dogs. And then they take turns wrapping a cone left or right, and then going through the Cavaletti poles and then returning to their platform. So it really wears them out though, because they're having to patiently wait their turn and then they get to go through some physical motion. Um, and it doesn't require a ton of space, so I can easily just pull out two or three poles and put up a little cone or a trash can or a chair or something to have them wrap around. And I think that I've figured it out that with the combination of musical platforms really seems to be the sweet spot where they just, their, their brains can just be like, Oh, okay. I can, I can just, I'm good. I can settle again. I have three working Aussies and the border collie. So we're in high drive mode all the time. So fun. I'm sure. And two kids. That's fun. Yeah. You know, it's true when you have like a younger dog or a puppy, I, I, I have a million things to work on. I find when they're a little bit older, I mean, definitely it could be that it's a maintenance stuff. Um, but you kind of are like, you know, in a small space, maybe you can't, you know, you know, what could you do, but definitely if you have a young dog, there's unlimited stuff

to work on in a small space. Yep. And they're so willing to just do any little thing. And my dogs are so happy. Just even if they're doing sit stands, they're just, you know, it doesn't have to be anything fancy. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. All right. So all three of you are presenting for the Cabin Tuber conference. Um, that's probably the reason that we had everybody on today. So I wanted to just have you each kind of talk a little bit about your presentation, kind of what you plan to cover. Um, you know, just give people a little sample so that, uh, they can decide to show up for your dog. So Julie, do you want to go first? Yeah. I start off by going over why, um, sniffing is so valuable for dogs and, and their overall wellbeing and confidence. Um, I, every time I present something on this topic, I learn more about the seeking system, which is a, um, you know, part of the function of the brain. Um, and then, so once I go over that and then, um, you know, talk about how we can use, um, that, uh, function to help lower arousal, um, when you're doing some other sports, um, just, I wanted to touch on that a little bit, um, cause those are easy fun things to do, like with snuffing nets and things like that. Um, and then of course I have, you know, about five or six nose work games that I go over. Um, and, um, and then when I, when I, my presentation ends with is, um, how to teach handler scent, because I find that tends to be kind of a hard, um, you know, behavior skill to start for someone who's never done that. So I, I just kind of introduced how you might teach handler scent, whether it's scent articles or the, um, AKC, um, uh, handler scent, um, nose work, um, category where you're searching for a scent of cotton glove or sock. Um, so I thought that was a really nice variety so that it would, uh, it would, uh, apply to many people who not actually don't, if you don't do nose work, you can play around with some handler scent, but then also have some things that are just about some foods, food, um, sniffing and sourcing, um, and not just nose work. So I'm really excited, um, you know, for the presentation. Sounds like fun. So lots of good stuff in there. Um, Ashley, you want to go next? Yes. So my presentation is about conditioning and fitness and just going to talk a little bit about why it's important, especially during their off winter months or summer months, depending on where you live. Um, but all things that you can do inside in a small space. So I put together six exercises that you can do and inside your home somewhere, um, and

just kind of going over the benefits and then how to build a conditioning plan for your dog, depending on your sport of choice and what you want to work on with your dog. And it wraps up with some do it yourself conditioning equipment hacks to make it easy. So you don't feel like you have to go out and buy name brand conditioning equipment. You mean buying the conditioning equipment's not part of the fun? It is. It is definitely for me. If you saw my other. It is certainly not required. And so unfortunately, most of the things that I use are things that I've just kind of built myself to make it, you know, so I, I tried, I try to keep it like that. That way people don't feel like they have to spend it. Super accessible. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice when you go, I never, I never go into a home Depot or Lowe's looking for the thing that is actually meant to be used for. It's always going to like, how can I change this into something that I need for dog training? It's just like, my husband just goes, he goes, okay, I'll see you in about half an hour. Just go and do your thing. I'll see. Yeah. Heather, what about you? What's your presentation on? My presentation is a little bit on it's concept training. So it's a very, very, very brief introduction to concept training and what makes the particular type of training, whether it be matches sample modifiers, adduction, the copy, the, like the mimicry, what makes it an actual concept and why it's different than just the strict behaviors that we're teaching. Um, and then I zero in on one particular, um, concept and that's modifiers and within modifiers, we're just taking, because there's two different types of modifiers. There's an internal modifier, uh, and an external. And by that, what I mean is internal is the dog's left and right. That will never change, right? So that's internal to you. Same as up and down for the, for the dog doing an up or down, it will never change. It's relative to the dog. The external, which is really a fun one, um, is, uh, when the dogs can modify and take a look at something and determine whether it's big or small based on the number of objects that are in front of them. And that changes relative to the small ones. So if I have a, a, a lineup of, uh, four or five objects, say, so say you've got an orange cone in, in five different sizes from small to large. If I ask for the small one, Piper will pick out small. But if I take the smallest one out and I take the largest one out and I ask her for small, she'll look at what's left or what's there relative to what she's looking at.

And she will pick then the next smallest one or the next largest one, whichever I'm doing. So, but I'm focusing, um, strictly, um, on internal modifiers left and right. And what I've done is just broken it down to all the stages of pre-planning and there's a lot of pre-planning. And, um, and then we've got the workstation, how to set it up, the training, and then finally, um, the testing and the troubleshooting and, uh, you know, showing people the benefits of it because with, within the modifier training, what I've got is, um, a default station and the dog, when they don't know what to do, they have the choice to default to that station. And I've got a really great example, um, uh, from one of my students, Sarah and, and Ripley. And it was, it's a fabulous example as to, as to why this default station works, because he started out really barky and really rangy and you see his transition, his transformation, basically to how he is then very controlled and focused and makes no mistakes at all. And he, because he's listening and he's had that opportunity to go back to that start station whenever he didn't know what to do, he went back to that and he did it. And then we also show how, how to interrupt a behavior, um, error loop, uh, and re, re, restart. So rather than saying no, no, no, and trying to get the dog to do it correctly, we get them to go back to their station, ask them to do a couple of known behaviors, and then ask for that, um, modifier again, and then they're able to do it. So it's, it's quite interesting and just sort of little things that I found out as I'm going through and, um, that's what it's all about. Very cool. They all sound like absolutely fascinating topics and, you know, super interesting stuff to listen in on and be able to work on over the next couple of months while we're all kind of dealing with short days and, uh, you know, yucky weather. No kidding. It's pouring rain at my end today. So, oh man. So I want to watch that one, Heather. So it sounds so fascinating. It's the one I haven't like got into with training yet. So, well, it's, it's, I was introduced, um, I think I've been going to, um, you know, like clicker expo for probably however long it's been going, like 20 years or something like that. I went to the, you know, the very first one. And, um, then I went one year and, um, Ken Ramirez was there and, uh, he introduced concept training. Uh-huh. This is cool. And so I've been on it for, for quite some years, ever since the first time he introduced it at clicker expo. And it's, it's really a lot of fun because you have to really, um, let the dog do their

thing because you can't be their eyes. It's really, it's their eyes and it's their, um, you know, their nose, it's their, um, internal response. And you, you definitely have to know your left and right versus the dog. So if the dog's facing you and you go left, you say left and you want them to go to their right, but you said the wrong, you really screw the dogs up. But, but so it takes a lot of concentration on the trainer as well as the dog, but it's a really great way to, to increase your, your timing and your mechanical skills and everything. Cause you got to try everything out before you start, before you add the dog. That's all the pre-planning stage that I'll, I'll, I'll visit in the, in the, um, in the lecture when I, when I go through. And as I said, it's a very, very brief, brief, brief look at modifiers because it's, it's a little bit, it's a little bit more complicated, but it's, it's so much fun. But that's how people are going to get interested in it when they just introduced to a topic. So, yeah. Yeah. So three kind of very different angles at, um, dealing with cabin fever, but I think they all totally kind of make sense for the topic. Um, I did want to just kind of have you each kind of address what we're talking about. Let me say small space for like the types of exercises you're including in your presentation. So what size space do you need for kind of the pieces that you'll be looking at in the conference? Ashley, you want to take this one first? I also, I did six exercises in my presentation and all six of them can easily be done in a 10 by 10 area, like a small space. Um, most of them could potentially be done in a six by 10. Um, cause I had some mats that I rolled out to measure cause I did it in my studio, but I wanted to shrink it down and really like just use if I only had a hallway or something to do it in. So really small space for sure. And I gave examples of how to condense if they felt like they didn't have as much space as what they were saying in the presentation, but not, not a ton of room for sure. Awesome. Heather? Um, for me, um, again, it's very small space to 10 by 10. Um, you'll see in one of my videos, somebody's doing it in their, um, I guess their living room, Dan and all they use, push the, um, push the coffee table out of the way and you're good to go. Um, you know, you can do it. Um, I do show, um, some jumps and, and, you know, kennels and things like that, but those are just some ideas for how, you know, what to add a left and a right to. Um, but you could do, um, had one student that did just a simple pause up, um, or table.

Um, uh, and you know, she could do, she did it in small, small, I think it was her bedroom that she did it in. So it was a very small area. So it doesn't, you don't require a lot of space, sort of kind of dependent on your dog too. If your dog's a big, huge, great game, then you're going to use more space, but smaller dogs, you know, and you can get away with it. Um, you know, it's not like they have to do a full jump or anything like that. Do you just have to pop over to that bar or go into that kennel, right? Or put their paws up in that perch, you know, or sit there and, you know, wave their left paw, wave their right paw. It can be as simple as that. Right. So small space. Yeah. I mean, the same thing, you know, I, most of my drills, um, are just right in your living room. Um, you know, easily we're just doing like, you mentioned the shell game. I do a lot of, you know, just shuffling boxes, containers around sitting in the ground with my dog and working. Um, I, there is one on air sensing that I wanted to address for indoor work. Um, which, you know, you, if you have the bigger room in your house would be great to use. And I did kind of sneak one example that was in my training building. It wasn't a large space, but it's just where I happened to have set up this training with a fan. Um, so there's some, some areas where you're using a fan, you want a little bit more space, um, to have your dog and it'll be thrown away from the forest. But other than that, it's, it's very, you know, things you should have around your house or you can get creative with, um, very, very, yeah, there's very small things. Awesome. All right. So I want to kind of round things out with one last question, which is just kind of giving you each a chance to kind of give us a last thought or something you really want kind of people to walk away from this conversation with. So if I was to ask you for one key piece of information, you really want folks to understand or kind of leave this thinking about what would that be, Heather? Just have fun with your dog, geek out and have some fun. You know, cabin fever is hard enough. You know, we get, um, ourselves, we get, uh, tired of the dull, dreary days. And, and so just sitting there and having fun and saying, okay, let's see what we can do together. Um, it is for me, what it's all about. I'll save all of the other more, you know, advanced or more intricate work, or maybe even more precise work for those times when, you know, you're maybe feeling a little bit better with the sunshine out. Um, and, and you can, you know, put the effort in and you get out with fresh air and, and

work outside, but, um, you know, just have fun. Good. Well, that's a hard one to follow. But besides thinking that everybody should try nose work, um, I do want people to, um, to start to really observe their dogs. You know, they're scenting dogs. It's how they view the world and, um, and just an everyday life. And, uh, just, I remember being on a walk with my dogs and we were just out on a walk on a trail and they all turned in unison. So they had passed some scent and they all, I wish I had it on video. They all just turned and went to this one spot to sniff. And it was just so fascinating. Um, and, and something that's been, um, circulating on social media right now is that picture of, like a snowy or dirt grass trail or something. And they color coded all the different tracks, whether it's a human, fox, rabbit, whatever. And they color coded it so you could see what the dog's world is. It's just a ton of scents that's out there, that they're always processing. And you can just learn a lot about your dog and how they use their nose, um, whether it's going to be involved in a scent sport or not. It's just, um, it's how they explore their world. And it's such a fascinating thing. Awesome. Ashley. I would like for everyone to take away, to set some goals. Like it's a great downtime where we're not as pressed usually because we are kind of stuck indoors a little more. So it's such a good time to just kind of reevaluate where you are and what you want and just simple goals, just, just something, just put something paper so that you can manage it. And it's just a great starting point. I think. It's a good time of year. You're really good points. Yeah. So it's, you know, reevaluate your, the dog, your dog's fitness. Are they where they need to be in order to do the dog sport that I want to do this summer? Um, you know, or, or like Julie says, it's like, you know, um, paying attention to what your dogs are actually sort of, I guess for a different word is they're viewing in their world. Like, you know, it's fun to watch them definitely go along and all of a sudden then you get that head snap and they're, they're gone, you know, and I'm wondering, you know, I, I let Piper out to go, you know, do her potty at night and she goes down and all of a sudden she's like, she catches something and she's, she's gone and she does her little tour around the backyard. And then it's like, oh yeah, right. I was out here for a purpose. Gotta go potty. And then she, you know, comes back in and it's, it's kind of fun to, to, you know, to be able to pay attention to, um, our dogs on that more minute microscopic level.

And this is when we're stuck inside is perfect time to do that. Right. And to, and to reassess where you are with your training and, and like, like Ashley said, set your goals as to where you want to be. Um, and then the steps you're going to have to take to get there. Yeah. You know, what I've also noticed is how my dogs observe the other dogs. So like, if one of them is sniffing something, they know, they're like, oh, they found something over there. I got to go see what they're doing. They, like, they can read the body language of them, you know, sourcing something or at something. And it's, it's like something that they weren't even paying attention to, but they see that body language of the other dog. So they join in on that. It's just, it's just really fascinating. If we can slow down everything that we're doing and just observe our dog in their natural way of being. Awesome. That's exactly what chickens do, right? One chicken starts pecking and the whole flock of the hens run over because they are certain that that one hen has found something. Oh, I didn't know. That's pretty cool. Yes. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you all for coming on the podcast. This was excellent. You're more than welcome. Happy to do it. This is a great time. I love doing this. Awesome. All right. And thank you to all of our listeners for tuning in. We will be back next week for a conversation on working with a dog sports coach. If you haven't already subscribed to our podcast in iTunes, the podcast app of your choice. They'll have our next episode automatically downloaded to your phone as soon as it becomes available. Today's show is brought to you by the Fenzie Dog Sports Academy. Special thanks to Denise Fenzie for supporting this podcast. Music provided royalty free by bensounds.com. The track featured here is called Buddy. Audio editing provided by Chris Line. Thanks again for tuning in and happy training. Thank you.