에피소드 55: Javier Mendoza-Diek

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my neighbors had named barney this beautiful white german shepherd i don't know if it was a switch swiss shepherd but he just looked like a white they had swiss probably back then but it was just a beautiful white german shepherd and they were moving to um next door to us and in the process of moving you know they weren't home much so they would just leave and the dog stayed out anyway so they would just leave him a lot of food and um this was a pretty aggressive dog and through the all houses are divided by either you know some gates and fences and wire barbed wire or you know like walls that one had um a wall that was maybe about four feet and then um metal sort of um you know fence on top of it so i could i could see him he could you know if i put my hand he could bite it and but i started like talking to him for a while and it was weeks and i became friends with this dog that i would pet him and i you know he would see me and he would whack his tail and um it was really really cool and i and i loved them then they moved in they finally finished moving in and i had been friends with this dog for like weeks i could pet him every day he saw me he was excited and what and then they're already home and i think they were inside the house so i call barney and he comes wagging his tail i pet him and then he looks at me and i'm like crap and i moved my hand really fast and he barely grabbed it i mean he no he barely he barely missed it he like he didn't bite me but it was so close and i'm like what the hell that changed just because the parents were there so he kind of got that protective side even though for weeks i had been friends with him um and um that was an interesting one and i don't know because it happened a few more times with other dogs like there was another dog that i but you couldn't work it out that afterwards he was always a little bit weird but you know they they knew he was kind of aggressive so they never let me go and play with them so it was all from that fence so there was like that barrier potential aggression or something but i i never became as close as i was before they moved in yeah because he needed somebody at the time i guess so yeah yeah something like that it's gotta be something yeah yeah wow funny one what about other like what do you have in honduras as far as wild wife uh what what something predators like what do you guys well supposedly there's still jaguars out there uh supposedly but you know who knows how many are left there are smaller cats like

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ocelot i think they're called um there are um i don't know if we have bears i don't remember like the they might have been bears at some point but i don't think we have bears anymore i'm not 100 sure about that um i think a lot of it jaguars would be cool a jaguar would be super cool but yeah i don't know how many are left if there's any um there's a lot of deforestation there you know when we bought the place here i mean that was what 2001 it was like 9 11. yeah when i was buying the place and the woman i got it from she was like there is a um what do you call them now here in in florida mountain lion yeah yeah the cougars or the but uh like i don't know what what is the puma um see now we can control the names panther or it must it's a panther yeah yeah it is a panther and it's like oh yeah there is one kind of checking the kennels all the time but very friendly so don't not like it's been around i never saw it but i know the woman was serious and it was like years that i always would kind of hope you know that it would be something there i almost thought that at one point to put the you know the hunter camera yeah and recently uh my neighbor he because it's like oh you know it's all swamps and and kind of wild behind me thank god um so he put some cameras and he sent me a bunch of pictures and they were like a family of like bobcats but when you don't know the size you kind of like whoa i almost got too excited but yeah i mean they they are somewhere yeah they gotta be yeah there's some videos of it sadly and did you what about like any more uh kind of structured dog training back then what were what what anybody doing anything did you know if there were if there were i was not very aware of what they were doing i mean um honestly like when i like i said like they usually dogs were just taking care of your house and and that was actually wanted most people wanted a dog that was going to be tough and bark and right and scare intruders so um that was very very common and people didn't do that much with their dogs at least back then yeah i think now it has probably changed but i remember when i got my um the second dog that i got because the first one i was really young and this little dog it was like a little pikinese um and he had an attitude man like i he he would just he would attack my friends he would if you open the gate you know uh he would try to get out and he would get into dog fights of course thankfully thankfully he was so fluffy that every time a dog grabbed them and he's strong dogs like there's a boxer that grabbed them yeah yeah he would scream like he was

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getting murdered and you would check him it was just slobber everywhere and not even a scratch uh but it happened multiple times and it was super scary uh but then after that uh i was living with my with my dad and my grandmother at the time and um i a friend of mine had a uh this mud i think i had one of the first doodles because it was like a doodle a poodle looking mud dog maybe like 20 pounds and he broke into the house and he made it with the uh with the owners or my friends uh labrador she was a beautiful black lab and you know they had puppies so that's for real yeah it was but my my my uh puppy she looked like a just like a lab mutt you know she was black and a little bit of white just white area here and there and she was she would jump non-stop and she was super cool she's actually like the dog that kind of started all this or the this passion because i started doing everything with her like i would come back from school and we would just play ball and play ball uh one time um at some point my grandma so who do you think taught who to play ball that's a good one she came with it i think like yeah i don't think i i taught it i think she like you know i don't know i don't even know how it started we almost take it for granted you know of course yeah a dog is happy plays ball of course it does right and now look at how we as a dog trainer how how we use that tough it can be to convince a dog to play right that's true that is true yeah one thing that i do remember clearly when she started it and i don't know if she was going to do that anyway or not but she was maybe eight weeks and i was um we were out in the in the backyard and in honduras we had uh maids that would um they would come and help us yeah i know this is so cool because you get your your clothes and everything right yeah you got everything i love this and everything so so we would uh so we were outside i was hanging out with her in the backyard and i'm playing with my puppy but it's also was her name or precious and i was jumping and you know i was just a kid i was 13 or something i'm jumping and jumping and all of a sudden this eight week old puppy starts jumping too and she would she was a puppy so she would jump and she would fall and she would jump and she would fall and we would just start cracking up and i think i don't know if she just liked the jumping and that's why she tried that or because i was jumping and she saw that reaction yeah it's that reaction probably right and that dog jumped till the day she died you

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know she was like and she would she was little she was 40 pounds or so and she would jump so high cool um yeah and and i do remember the first day that i ever saw her do that and yeah she couldn't she would i think they're masters of of kind of reading and it's like oh i know you like that i'll give you some more sometimes when needed yeah oh and then what happens how how how does united states come in the picture yeah so united states um that i i wanted to go to vet school that was the first thing like i wanted to um and actually i didn't know really you know when you're a kid and you like animals oh of course back in the day they're like oh you're gonna be a vet you're gonna be a vet you're gonna be a vet so i'm like i'm gonna be a vet so uh that's what i the only option that i thought i had um so in honduras at the time um they didn't have a veterinary school but my dad actually just told me that one of my best friends my next door best friend in in that um house with my grandma and my dad and everything he um he's a professor and like uh this really good uh like excellent um school of agronomy or agriculture in in honduras and um he started a veterinary program there yeah of course that's kind of how in bulgaria it was within the agriculture yeah yeah and he started that so i'm like really cool so i didn't have to move but i didn't do that anyway but i moved with that thought um first i went to i tried to stay with my uncle so you were good at school then to some level like i was i was very bad at school i just didn't see any purpose to i'm like well why why do i need to know yeah when was that revolution or that king died or like there's just nothing made sense to me yeah no i i worked really hard at school but it was it was difficult for me but i did okay i did okay in it like a guy had i had decent grades and everything but um yeah i guess i'll bring in a whole other story of like how you learn because if i hadn't yeah if i hadn't had grown up in an era of videos i don't know if i would have made it through university you know because uh when i when i went to nc state university i took some classes and i would read the books and everything and i couldn't get it and i would go to the lectures and it kind of helped but it wasn't enough it was thanks to book i mean to videos on youtube that i was able to you know get your interest yeah yeah yeah yeah it's all about the interest and focus and yeah um and so so you when you came you did you start some job or you directly tried you did uh yeah so i went to well i was 16 so i went to i moved to long island first

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uh my dad had actually well a year before that or two years before that i had tried to stay at uh in north carolina with my aunt and uncle but i couldn't you know even though they they're super loving and i probably now knowing them i would have stayed at the time i didn't really know them so i couldn't stay and then so i went back and then uh about a year later my dad um found his kind of high school sweetheart they had dated when they were in high school and she had she was divorced he was divorced they got together again they got together and then he was moving to long island uh new york and then um i went with them um so it was like yeah it was like a year later i think after that so that was easier because i had my dad and how was english how was that i i went to a bilingual school the first six years of mine in honduras the first six years yeah yeah i had to struggle yeah no i can i can imagine because like that that's the time when they say that you learn it easier you know because i could have had six years after and it probably would not have been the same as getting at the beginning but i got at the beginning and then after that um even when i came even with those six years i would not say that i could speak fluently that great but i could understand it fairly well if you especially if you slow down yeah um and then what gave me that that that moment that i'm like oh i'm getting this was um so when i went to long island i i was going to uh different classes and my teachers i could not understand them i was like trying trying i would understand every every few words but every day i would watch friends the tv show and i watched it when i was in honduras but i watched it with subtitles in the us i started watching that show with um closed caption so it was not in subtitles in spanish yeah just like the words and i would at the beginning i would just follow it and i just remember doing some homework or something and having friends in the background and i started laughing and i'm like i just laugh from hearing not from so that's when it kind of clicked um and then you know it probably was six months or so after the after i i moved and then my teacher started getting a little clearer i could you know understand a little bit better um and and yeah but it's been learning thing but it was much easier caption subtitles it's like priceless like i yes when i i know like i'm convinced that it's the reason why like for example um like take belgium belgium has like and and i lived there and i you know when i

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moved from bulgaria that's where i moved to and i was like convinced i'm gonna learn the language and not french but the flemish yeah and it's not it's just like this very strange mixture of some kind of strange germans like anyway and and i was putting a lot of time but what always was like how come the flemish people speak more english than the french part and it was at least my thinking as simple as the movies and everything in the french part was voiced over and in the other one you hear the english and you read the dutch and so when you like and then i kind of looked into most countries that you know somehow they they are more comfortable with english they all had like all the movies everything was always with subtitles so they hear it and they read it and it's like you when you when you have the voice over you never hear the actual you know and it starts with some funny phrase or something and then next thing you know you're getting more and more in it no i i agree yeah because there was some stuff that was dubbed in honduras but there were some things that they didn't right and and thankfully i did because it it sounds funny when you hear something dubbed you know it doesn't it doesn't feel the same it kills it it does it does even some cartoons um you know like if you're watching japanese shows and stuff it's sometimes it it it kills some of the the energy and the emotion right uh when it's when it's dubbed uh compared to i don't know if w be the you know the right word versus doing the original one with subtype right titles yeah yeah because it's it's yeah for sure yeah i remember when i mean that was way back in bulgaria and it was the vhs tapes and we would get i mean there was the communism i mean there was like that wall that separated east and west was a real thing like it was really separated yeah any movie that would come from the states or or whatever it would be probably like the fifth copy on vhs tape which is like extremely poor quality and then it's translated probably from english to italian from italian to german and then we had this one guy that he was also uh the way i know him is from dog training because he was also kind of crazy like me we were training dogs together but he was the guy in the whole country that would voice over all the cool movies from german because he he was very good in german yeah and some that's kind of how he he had uh from east german back then was like a real east german german shepherds you know and so i'm in the uh and we're training in uh in the park i mean there is no clubs or we're training in the park and i i

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see them and i'm like oh yeah i'm gonna go and watch i didn't even have a dog and i hear him talk and i'm like man this is like really weird i just cannot less i know this voice so good and i cannot figure it out and finally i'm like oh my god that's that's the guy that the whole country knows you know it was so funny um but yeah anyway uh this these are cool things yeah and and so you decided to go to how long how long before you went to school again since you came like did you you came to the states and yeah right away i finished i finished high school so i went to i went to high school right away uh so um i was like 16 i think so i i think i got it i went into 11th um and then and then you know 12 so i just finished the last two so did you have to like get make some just some extra classes and stuff or were just kind of um going thankfully because i think because i i had um uh i was coming just around at the right time like i don't have to make anything up nice but there is a funny ironic story later on so um so i you know i came from honduras those last two years high school then i i transferred i mean i i moved eventually to north carolina after those two years and um i went to um a technical community college for well it's supposed to be two years but because i was working full time at the time i thought that you couldn't that uh financial aid or or or scholarships i thought there was like um like a certain amount for every person and that i and i was like i'm just gonna save it for when i need it you know and i thought that's how it was and then i i found out later on that it wasn't you know so i'm like i could have gotten help the whole time but no instead i i work full time while i was going to school um in the community college which was probably good that is cool yeah so i was doing that at i was going to take classes at night but you know i took classes i i was about to get my um associate's degree before i transferred to the nc state university um but there was one class the only class that i've ever dropped it was a literature class an advanced literature course and i hated it i hated it okay it's hard for me to read i have to i prefer to listen to books or watch stuff and it was very difficult so i dropped that class and i was avoiding it like the plague and um when i what i transferred to nc state i was transferring all this stuff i'm like i'm just missing one class what's the big deal and they tell they they tell me well we cannot accept you you have the grades and everything

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but we cannot accept you because you don't have a foreign language and i'm like wait english is my foreign language i'm from honduras and she's like yeah but like it's state regulation you need to have two years of a foreign language i'm like i came from honduras isn't that like a foreign language already and they're like no you have to have it in your curriculum curriculum to have two years of that or interesting or you finish your associate in science degree um and then by taking the literature course so i had to take the literature course oh my god but i just found it very ironic that because of regulation they couldn't use logic that this guy his his english is his second language i'm fluent in spanish you know i was i was kind of fluid in english but yeah how it works yeah yeah yeah it was ridiculous and probably they know it too but it's like that's what it says that's what they have to do yeah yeah that's kind of like the sometimes with the the dog training yeah like police departments or something you know you're just like no this is how we have to do it because that's what yeah the structure of everything yeah regulation definitely sometimes uh it makes sense for a big group but once you started looking at individuals some individuals get kind of screwed up with regulation yeah yeah and so how how um you you did work in the field as a like in the veterinary field right yeah so when i i moved to to um long island first um my first job was like a target or something um which i think that's where i started loving people because i i i helped this lady um that was in a wheelchair and she told she called and told target like what i did and then one day i'm helping somebody in the in the freezer section and i was a cart attendant so i never saw them and they're like are you javier and i'm like yeah and everybody's like telling me and like oh some lady called about you and then we i had another moment where you know every parking lot it's on that kind of hill yeah and then uh one of the carts was going down and was about to hit this lady in the car uh or this car and the lady was not moving and i'm running full speed and i grab it at the last second and i prevent it from getting hit she drives away she doesn't even notice it but as i grab it uh i hear screaming and clapping and i'm like what the heck and i look and there's these these guys which could have stopped right and they're in a truck there's like four guys in a truck just watching me like i guess checking to see if i was gonna make it or not um but after that job i worked this is cool though you know this

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these are like i mean sometimes we don't think how it can somebody that actually you do something good and it gets appreciated and recognize how much it can influence oh yeah oh yeah in in the future you know like like saying thank you to somebody it goes so far very very and we kind of sometimes it's like okay yeah but yeah what does it matter and it does matter so much right it created an addiction with me i'm a little bit of a people pleaser you know so it definitely did that but after that i did i i applied to as soon as i could i applied to a veterinary hospital and i i worked there and you know we were what um working with cats and dogs and i was kennel but then they started showing me how to uh restrain and things like that yeah um there is a story about that classic vet techs right yeah well i wasn't i mean back then yeah you know you would have five of them let's jump you know we are examining him he has no choice look look look i'm still proud of how good i i became at restraining i have stories with that because like even with the restraining there is a an element of okay see it it wasn't that bad yeah versus yeah so um but no and at that first animal hospital which hopefully maybe i'll forward it to my to my ex-supervisor from there i almost got fired um because i was they brought this german shepherd and it was this female german shepherd that had bit uh came in they dropped her off and then she bit one of the girls that was cleaning her run and then my supervisor tried to let her out and she bit her so then they told me don't get close to this dog so what called my beer so you know i was attracted to all that from even then i was very very interested so i started like i don't know getting close to her like she was in a run so i would sit next to her and i would just sit let her sniff me and then i would walk away and i would just do things like that not yeah not not invasive nothing nothing initially but then she started after a couple of days they couldn't reach the owner or i think he was out of town or something he had to come get her because they were trying to get rid of her and then um one of the days i i start getting a little bit more brave with her and i actually petted her and then i grabbed put a leash on her and took her out to the play area and then i brought her back and then uh one of the um uh this lady that um i think she hated me but you know um she she um which she should have i own a business now so if i see one of my one of the kids you know doing something like that i would want somebody else to tell me yeah so she did the right

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thing but um she she told my supervisor and my supervisor came on her day off you know yelled at me and told me you know if she bites you this dog might be put down and i'm like i understand and i took her out the next day anyway uh so then they talked to me one more time and i didn't i i i stopped that i uh i i didn't let her out again but it started that interest started even then and i'm happy that you know how i told you about the barney story that i petted him i felt that tension and i moved and i and he he barely missed um i think if he would have bit me maybe my confidence with dogs would have been killed because it happened a few more times there was a the butterfly effect yeah yeah it takes you on a different place for sure for sure i had a my aunt uh when i was a kid in honduras she had a dalmatian he was fine with everybody but once he started maturing he started becoming aggressive i think they ended up getting rid of him but i was one of the first ones where he showed that i was petting him and all of a sudden he would tense up and i did that and he would barely like he never he didn't hit me but he almost and she saw and she's like what the heck and and i'm like um well there was one more dog i was that i made friends with and another kind of aggressive dog but he was fine with me and then i didn't see him for like six months and i went to him and i went to pet him to see how he would do he was fine and i'm like cool so i go to hug him and when i hug him i felt tension and thankfully he was tied thankfully he was tied because i back up to break right here and and i again if i would have been bit probably my confidence would have been different so but when i look back i'm like did i create that did i tense up or did i notice it and that's why it happened did my fast movement create that sort of like snap right i still don't know i still don't know exactly what i did what do you think i did yeah the the consequences the chicken or the egg right yeah i don't know i don't know exactly what happened but that happened a few times and i'm glad that what is interesting is that even now you're still analyzing going back to these things i i do too man i i have some really kind of scary stories that i probably not just beat and i probably would have been torn up like in pieces yeah like i i know i one story that i have because i i one of my obsession is this mountain sheep guard dogs you know like the oh yeah yeah like the yeah all this stuff like this is like i i'm like i never miss it if i have a choice and opportunity i never miss it um so i don't know

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young like really maybe i let's say eight nine years old few of us back in the time it was just kids playing in the streets that's what you do and we were up in the mountains and we see the sheep and when you see the sheep you know that the dogs are somewhere so let's go with the dogs it's like okay let's go with the dogs well but we know that there can be dangerous and big so we get these sticks like we're playing tough like yeah yeah four or five of us wow and kind of feeding from each other nobody wants to say no let's go back home it's like no no they're going i'm going yeah and of course like we get to the right distance and the dogs catch us they see us and they start coming and it's like i don't know how many but they're coming uh-huh and it's not like they're running they have this kind of kind of like that trot like they're just coming you know now does it feel like an intimidating trot or they're just getting close no it was nothing in the beginning we're kind of excited oh yeah yeah the dogs and then they're coming and coming and at some point we freak out because you realize like how tall i was and how big these dogs were i mean we were like this you know like i'm like this is not good like we just realized it's not good and we climb in those like the high voltage poles you know that are like you know like this whole thing that you can climb easy man we stayed there for like five six hours there is no cell phone there is nobody knows we're just stuck there and the dogs there again they're guard dogs so they they don't like they just lay down on the bottom yeah and we're stuck there and for a moment a very very funny story about scary like you know like we really could have been just couldn't mold yeah oh my god but in the beginning we're like oh yeah we're happy we're cool because i'm thinking oh i can stay three days here yeah and all of a sudden you start to realize because they're like these v-shaped medals and they're no no you know they're not like easy to stand so you're kind of adjusting adjusting but after a few hours you're starting to be like i don't know if i can stay anymore that was beautiful and the dogs were still hanging out this was so yeah they just i mean they the ships are around and whatever and finally the shepherd is trying to call them and they're not coming so he comes and he's all angry and he's swearing and kissing and that's not the dogs oh my god what are you kids doing like you're crazy wow but yeah i mean we like one bite probably okay

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but that would that would could have been really over like yeah that could have been like a whole phobia yeah and but the crazy thing i never like nothing changed the obsession is still there very very crazy stuff that is the mountain dogs like these are like in in especially in this part of the world yeah are very very very cool like even now i get locked sometimes on watching there is one right now that i'm kind of following on youtube 70 year old woman alone she has a i mean all of it like the sheep the cattle everything yeah and she has the guard dogs and every once in a while i don't know who but it's somewhere in goes and interviews her and so they make these little episodes with her and a lot of times she talks about just daily life and what she makes for food and whatever but the times when she starts talking about the dogs it's insanely cool i mean it's just like talking about this old woman talking dogs like selection and well she doesn't think of it as training but it's like training and it's like so cool that is really cool because that that kind of really brings the true nature you know not like like some of the stuff that we have kind of make them sort of fit into our lives instead they're like just we're almost just using what they brought and like just exactly utilizing that exactly right we lost that kind of no we haven't lost it i think we have of course we have that intuition to interact but but but somehow we don't dare anymore because it's well you don't know learning theory or you don't know the quadrants or yeah and it's like you um i don't know who was i talking with very recently and i mentioned this in another podcast that i just had how um like like like i i would give somebody to a task to train a dog did i tell you that story i don't know i think so like i'm like teach teach him how to go to uh place basically i mean it was a little basket yeah and the person has no idea how to do it the dog has no idea and i'm watching them and it's kind of painful sometimes i'm like this is no way this is gonna work and it's i they're gonna get frustrated and eventually after four or five days the dog goes to place they figure it out just like that now who figured out though the the person with the dog was the cool thing because it was the cooperation like the dog knew they both knew that something has to be accomplished and somehow the dog was very forgiving and the guy that was teaching it was also very i wouldn't say guilty but he was like if the dog wasn't getting it he knew that a lot of it was because of him

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not that because he's just showing him the finger right yeah and and it's just like the the process itself and seeing it how it just works out eventually it's just so cool yeah that is cool um that is very cool so do then then what uh the the vet yeah so you said you didn't you were not a vet tech yet no i was a i i guess consider a like a assistant yeah yeah kennel assistant and then they started showing me restraints and all that um and then um then i i probably worked there for six months to a year and then i moved to uh north carolina um this time i moved with my aunt and uncle you know what i couldn't do yeah what three years before uh or two years three years three years before and um i the first day that i moved to north carolina one of my cousins she's like there's a vet here and do you want to apply i'm like yeah and i applied and i got the job you know so it was the first one and then there i did i started as a veterinary assistant and then i became a tech um and i and i loved it i mean i still enjoy you know the science part and like you know how much you had to deal with euthanasia it was a good amount it was a good amount i mean it wasn't like a daily thing but but but but but we did see it often and it was always sad but you know a lot of it was necessary i didn't see a lot of times it's kind of a relief in a way you have a 13 year old dog that's painful and you know they're having trouble breathing so you know like it's it's the best thing but it still hurts you know especially when you knew them because a lot of those dogs i knew them and everything so it was still painful did you have any of those where where the people will just drop it off and they cannot handle it to be with the dog and not much because we were in a kind of wealthier kind of section so uh we did not get many of those are very tough like like having a dog it's your it's your dog and yeah that is 12 years 14 years and i get it you cannot handle it but but that's that that's it like you know yeah that is it is i mean i can see how it's difficult for some people but i see it also that even when i had nothing i would do anything for my dog you know like if i had to you know and i understand things can happen you know but yeah i don't know i don't know so what was your favorite part at that time um working with um the as a tech well i i did love the customer service aspect of it i really like people um and then um i one thing that i i liked restraining i was really good well you got the you got the feel of how to give and take right yeah and and the cool thing is

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the the doctor the owner she would let me um you know she trusted me for some reason even when i was or she was more scared than you i don't know she was really like oh yeah javier but no she she allowed me to do a lot of things uh except one time i remember the there was a king corso puppy he was only like 11 months or something like that um so he was almost an adult but he was still a pup he the mom brings him for sure still yeah but the mom brings him he's saying hi to everybody he's being great then i um she puts him in a run and she leaves and as soon as she leaves we try to get him out and he's like lunging barking like he's gonna he's gonna eat us and i walk in and i see him and for some reason and it's not like i had a ton of experience with that or something i'm like it felt like a puppy to me and it was like 145 pounds and it felt like a puppy and i walked in and i was about to put the leash on and he's lunging and lunging but i'm like you're not serious you know i feel it was a puppy and the doctor comes and she's just like nope i'm not taking you to the hospital i'm not taking you to the hospital and she didn't let me um but uh but yeah some of them you know and i tell this to clients too like you said right now i think we do have that intuition but we have stepped away from it because we start kind of like trying to put instead of seeing the dogs for who they are we start we start kind of like creating all these stories behind it yeah um so we miss some of those things which i think we naturally have maybe we don't maybe you know there's some lucky people that get it but i think i think everybody to some extent i think everybody here like if if i i i mean that would be such a cool experiment to be able to put bunch of people that have no prior i mean everybody knows what dog is but not really owning a dog not having any prior like solid interaction with dogs and you know kind of how they do the what is called those tv soap opera things with the you know when they put them together and let's see what happened reality reality things you know yeah like the one like this with dogs i mean it can go sideways very fast it totally totally but there will be a lot of priceless moments yeah yeah yeah i mean it sounds like a good show let's put a bunch of guys and some yeah different type of dogs yeah some really what happens really whatever gets bits first that's the elimination right there whoever gets bit first you're out yeah that would be very cool but but yeah she was very very good with allowing me to do things like

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she allowed me to you know give estimates to people while they were in the while they were asking because one time i got yelled at by a by a customer um there was a customer that came in and we did everything and then we gave the bill and oh man that's classic he was pissed off and so i was like from now on and i mean if they boarded her anything she would you know we would always do estimates that they sign but just for appointments we wouldn't so i just like i just started like doing the estimates in the room and then she made it into a that's what we do now the tech would go in and give you exactly the price and everything um so she would just let me do stuff which was super cool um it was during bills even then but now it's like i don't know because we are so busy right now if i ever even have a chance to tell you what's happening but i mean tina she just got her second oh yeah uh acl surgery like four grand yeah yeah i mean close to yeah thankfully we know people that know people but that's like you know like like when when i see the bill and it's like oh my god oh yeah oh my i mean how and then a dog comes um kind of training corny and has this happy tail thing like you saw her right yeah so i'm like okay this is a whole nother thing let's i mean maybe maybe some a shot whatever cortisone some steroid maybe kind of suited but i'm thinking okay that's gonna end up being another at least 1500 if we need to amputate oh yeah and then today i have melody take ice because he something neurological he's starting to get like kind of walking like he's drunk something i'm like oh man what's happening so we take him we did like already two different so today was a third vet like from one specialist to another because something kind of well we don't know but it's suspiciously something neurological yeah well my latest estimate that just came it starts from 5 500 and it can go to 8 500. right oh wow and we still wouldn't know yeah talking about the insanity and i don't know what's even now you say you don't go often in honduras but i know we if i take him to anywhere in europe forget about this then europe will be dirty cheap and still quality high quality everything but anywhere in europe like the prices that we have here oh yeah for vet bills it's like off the charts like it's it's wrong like i don't know how they justify this it's a big business i mean it starts off from the vet school itself you know like they're expensive it's expensive it's four years i mean it's a lot of work and they have to do that but it's not something that is super accessible you know you're

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coming out with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt so um you know i think it starts with that and then but there is so much work so much pets you know like you i don't know it's yeah eight thousand who i mean i i okay i will pay like if i have no choice what am i what am i gonna do not pay the eight thousand but yeah how wrong is that like i just like come on people it's not that accessible for sure people do swear by the insurances because you know they cover like 50 and all that so yeah still four grand yeah i think that's kind of yeah i i guess that's the game now you have to have the insurance cause to justify somehow and it does work as you say like in some cases yeah um i have it for some dogs but i am not like natalia she she's all good she does all that i'm like if it happens i'll deal with it and here i am now you're complaining about it oh my god so did you ever thought of like really going up the ladder as far as like the vet stuff yeah yeah i was going the whole time for that um when i was working at the at the hospital um you know i loved the human interaction as part of it i also um low i was good at restraining but then when we did have like certain borders and things like that like we had a bouvier that was like a um aggressive towards people but i could manage them so then they eventually hired me to walk him and then eventually they hired me to help them out because he wouldn't lunge when i had the owner the owners yeah yeah sorry i was so there is a whole yeah so like it was reflection from the so they hired me through there and then that led to them recommending me to their friends to help train their puppies and things like that and i was doing that on the side how it happened so i started doing all that stuff and i was going to go i still going still planning vet school i thought this dog thing i just love it but it was a hobby right i never thought of it as a as a it'll never be my career i just liked it and people seemed to like what i was doing so um i just kept doing it and you know i was like crazy i was working full time going to school doing the dog training on the side um and i uh eventually when i transferred to nc state i did two years um and you know i had transfer from wake tech and so some of my classes were kind of like and so you were really seriously yeah yeah i was going for zoology and everything yeah i have my bachelor's degree and my my advisor told me if you applied to vet school you're likely going to get in and um so but on the last semester i took this one credit class which i thought it was the stupidest

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thing i don't know if it was the last it was second to last semester and um it was this one credit class and it was like a career class you usually take it as a freshman but because i was a transfer some of my classes were reversed and i had to take it and i thought this is ridiculous they're making me pay money for something stupid but one of the assignments was writing about your like your greatest accomplishments or something like that and i could not write about anything else but dog training um so when i did that i um i told my my my advisor and she's like why don't you give it a shot so she got me in touch with one galvis wow um and i tried to get i it was this is another story i try to get in touch with him try to get in touch with him he would tell me yeah let's meet let's meet for like six months never i could not meet him he was so busy and i couldn't meet him and then one day i like a year later uh he um or i you're from the initial contact he um he had a talk at nc state and i had signed up for the zoology club because like they tell you to go to different clubs in the university and i signed up and i went the very first day on like you know the the first two years that i that i went to school and i and i signed up and i went the very first day and i never went again but i kept getting the the emails from them from the event and one day i get an email juan galvis is going to come talk so i went there and i asked questions i was like i asked all the questions while he was there and then i went to introduce myself i'm like i'm javier i'm the guy that's been trying to chase you down for like a year and um so so then we you know after i graduated i'm like let me give it two years and i worked with juan for about a year some things happened where i had to um not with juan but like with my life where i ended up having to leave and i didn't i didn't think i was gonna go to continue training but um that wasn't the plan but everything fell under my feet and i was sort of forced into it and i could have gone a different route but my clients were like which someone became kind of like family right they were like they're our family now um and they were like you should do it you should try it and see what happened and i did now it's been nine years since that happened wild so yeah wild yeah and and i mean before you you tell that story like when i i was gonna be when i said i'm gonna be a dog trainer my parents they they're like yeah whatever like you i mean yeah sure be be thinking like there is no such thing as doctrine i mean like you tell anybody at that time in europe

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that you will make money to be a dog trainer what are you gonna actually do yeah yeah even i mean up to like very recently maybe i don't know not that very recent but my my parents would be like when you're gonna get a real job like you're you're getting old like you need to settle i'm like mom i am paying everything for both of you from being a dog trainer like shut up like just accept they could they could not accept it like they just could not accept it but that was that european i mean yeah this change probably in the last 10 years probably and even now it's not how it's in the states you know like that's uh uh i guess we're blessed here that that's a different way of like i remember i mean i will be talking on the phone with them and they're like so how is everything you should start looking for a job like jesus christ like come on yeah and so then what you started you decided to just open a business or yeah i started i started um i mean that's a huge that's that's how scary was that super scary because i had nothing at the time right you know uh right before that i had three jobs you know uh and and then right at right at that moment where everything everything fell under my feet or was pulling whatever the expression is um the i i had nothing and i was like let's give it a shot and i um you know i did thanks to my family pushing me and in that sense my parents were like really supportive with everything like hey do what do you what do what do you love so they were very supportive with all that stuff and and and i um um i started you know i already had started the business with other clients doing it on the side for several years by then um so they just started recommending me i i attended parties um because they were very social and they attended parties where they had a bunch of friends and stuff and um i i um you know they hired me and i did you know a lot of you know training with i mean i i i started with difficult cases dogs that were like aggressive towards other but it's crazy how it works like either something have to really disrupt the path that you were thinking that you are going on oh yeah to force you to yeah change yeah or you really have to be so like just committed and believing that that's is the path to where you go all in because there's so many people in that kind of crack the door open okay i'm gonna be a dog trainer and very quickly get scared and i mean for many different reasons i guess you know it's it's kind of on the surface it looks like oh yeah anybody you have a dog i'm now a dog trainer but like to really become a dog trainer it

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there's like a lot of things and and that's another thing for europe when uh like people are and i like i know i have so many european experience just sound so bad like this but but it's true what at least i think they they they would rather have a very solid average job to some big company being porsche or bosh or whatever you know and they start there and they're gonna get the pension there and it's and it's okay and the the fear of trying and failing yeah it's incredibly powerful in there to work here it's almost like if you don't try and you haven't failed like what do you what are you doing what's your life like you should be experimenting you should be trying something right yeah yeah there's definitely a level of comfort in certain careers that right have their carved path you know versus a career that you have to carve it you know where you have to kind of like do your um follow a certain path that's not there you know so i could see how a lot of people will do fall into that i would have right i would have totally just stayed in that path yeah because it was safer you know it was safer especially you know i would tell someone that's the thing is it safer really you know not for your soul it's like very crazy to to i know as a uh you know when you work for yourself and you get a phone call i want my doctrine chances are 99.999 percent that you will say of course no matter how busy you are yeah like no matter what you're yes yes yep yep and then i'm gonna figure it out how it's gonna happen but saying no to a client when you work for yourself yep uh it's not easy yeah at least for first me whenever it was for me i think because my personality and what was reinforced and a target right uh even from then i i i just i couldn't say no i've had to be my family has been telling me for a while you got to start saying no at some point you know so i i'm definitely a little bit of a people pleaser and like it's hard for me to say no and and and not even thinking about just the business but just my personality itself so let's let's go backwards let's start from where you are right now because you have a really solid business going right now and you just expand it yeah and let's go back and tell me how it end up there but i think it's cool to like at the moment where you guys are um yeah so like oh you're saying like talk about what we're where we are right now yeah yeah yeah so right now we have um you know we've been we're at a facility that is about 7 000 square feet right now um we had uh we just recently expanded to

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like 3 000 square feet yeah um but i'm somebody subleasing part of it to a groomer and then the rest of it i'm using it as part of it will be for training and i'm trying to integrate now group classes because we have more space yeah um and the other part we're using it for kennel and hopefully we're going to expand the kennel a little bit more uh we on a daily basis we see you know 40 to 60 dogs um how many people stuff i have about 26 employees yeah and um you know they have different shifts and everything and that's kind of your people skills probably you know because having to have 20 something people to work yeah for you that's also it's tough i don't know i don't know i don't know if i'm even good at that i'm constantly trying to you know i'm probably more micromanager where i'm like which is probably not good but i try to you know i try to let them know what what's needed the big picture right but then i'm constantly like did you do this did you do this um so i try i try my best and i try to you know i want them to let them do right i try yeah i try to do that and i try to you know be not be too annoying to them but i also i want them to enjoy what they're doing and i also want them to do the best that they can do but um yeah i'm i don't know if i'm good at it i probably not but i try you know i try my best but that's i mean it's uh you know sometimes the need yeah you you have to start to be right like me i remember myself man that's a when eventually you know like people started to want to hear me what i have to say about training and it became progressively like very quickly um to where i i had to speak in front of people and that was not like that was not me really oh my god that was yeah it sounds it's great it's great to hear it so confident and everything i am and and i tell you there was a and i just listened to this uh or watched that it was a podcast with uh tony robbins and jordan peterson it just came out very cool one very very very very very cool one like highly recommended yeah and i don't know who was talking to whatever but there was a moment because they are both like very gifted and you know like so many areas but like speaking especially and one of them was like people like the moment you stop looking at the crowd as one unit but you actually look and see people and you talk to the people and i was like fuck that's exactly what happened that's it like i i've never really put it in the words this way but that's exactly how it changed for me like overnight wow because you know it's like this stage fry like you just see a bunch of people and and it's like

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and you feel out of place you know and the moment you just do this it's like boom well at least that was for me i don't know i mean i guess no i'm actually glad that we're having this because i i am gonna i've done group lessons and things like that with my um like graduates for like a board and train programs but i'm gonna start doing it for the public so um i'm glad that we're talking about this because that is that is a uh something that i'll definitely focus on but there are things that we need to learn there is you know we are always good at something and then and then who knows primax principle right sometimes yeah maybe the one that we're not or at least we didn't think we're good at maybe it becomes even you get better at it yeah um yeah it could be for sure i felt like um i did experience that a little bit you know how i told you earlier that i was avoiding uh that literature course so um in that literature course i started like really trying my best to do well in that class and i started reading it and trying really hard and i had so much trouble and then i started appreciating certain aspects of it and sadly i didn't continue it um just because of the nature of like what i actually do right um but i started seeing because before that class i was like i don't see how people go to school to study literature right it's ridiculous and then i would just start seeing the the the value within it of like things like you know uh they would look at it yeah they would look at a study i mean they would look at a story made even if it was fake or whatever but they would notice the influences by analyzing they would notice the influences of the time so like they could tell okay during this time there was a time war and that's why this person wrote the way that they were writing so it was really cool kind of like diving into how you think and how you analyze something so i've i've i've always after that i believed a little bit in um scrutiny really scrutinizing something starts showing a little bit of the magic within it um because if you a lot of times you see stuff from the outside and religion's one that you know for a long time as a kid i guess kind of rebelled against religion um i was like i was raised a catholic then went to different churches to a mormon church and all that stuff it didn't make sense yeah and then i i you know i like stopped and then um now i'm starting to see there is something to it right even if it's not you know everything how and i know it can be used for power and i know everything um that people can see that uses power will be corrupted but there is

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still value to show those things so i think like you know it's just really cool to see the magic and different things even things that you don't understand but when people dive into it um it starts getting pretty cool so yeah no literature language yeah language is like yeah even just watching what's happening with the ais right now and oh yeah it's all it's just language and language is not just like the i mean anything is basically language okay i'm not gonna go there this too crazy even for everybody right now but so how did you you you started it mm-hmm you got the business yeah you started by your okay i'm soldier of one army of one yeah and ended up going to clients or they bring dogs you had a like uh did you have a garage with crates or no yeah i have a house i had a house and at one point we had like you know tens of i mean several dozens crates we would use our like this table would be crates you know we had like three dog crates and we'd be eating on top of the the crates so because it's a little exciting times right yeah it was the very very when i look back i look at it back with you know being grateful and amazed i'd like what we did because like at that point um you know initially it was just me and i was going to clients doing private lessons and then um i'd want pretty quickly like a few months into it i had like seven dogs doing a board and train at the house and it was were you confident what do you like what were you having questions like oh should would i would i be able to make this happen yeah i i for some reason trusted yourself for some reason i was and same as like what happened with that dog that they told me don't go touch it right and i did and and you know and that even with all the experience i um you know i still kind of questioned myself like recently we had a 136 pound uh german shepherd that was you know snapping at the staff and everything and like um i would just go in and put the leash on and i just it just felt and i felt that way that's not something that has changed from the beginning so for some reason i was um and i don't i don't know why exactly but um but but yeah i i i was able to help a lot of people and you know even people that were that had really serious dogs um there's some that i look back and i go you know i could have done better oh but a lot of that that's like i mean if if that was not the case i i don't think you would be like the whole evolution and the interest to keep progressing would not be there that's true you know i mean that's a given yeah like some people

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take it too hard and and i understand that you know it's a bumpy road and doesn't have to be but um yeah yeah but so then my guess is that the next big hump is the guts to hire a second trainer oh yeah that was a a tough one like i can imagine how that goes it started off pretty natural because of one thing um my uh my brother and i'm really bad with timelines so i don't know what came first but i think this came first uh my brother came to the united states and at the time he uh my family they were having um some economic issues so they told me well you take care of them so and i had just started a business i was not making much and uh i brought my my brother and he was like kind of like the first person that i would that became a trainer and my my ex or you know my wife at the time she was uh she helped me a lot she didn't do ever train but she helped me with everything else yeah like cleaning and letting the dogs out and you know picking up dogs and quite important it was super important super important and then it was the three of us uh and then my brother-in-law would kind of come and help so it became kind of like a family business so you started to okay yeah started like that way then then my brother got married and then we had uh his wife helping us out too and like we were all we were in a 1100 damn i wish i i was for salon forever really good i was lucky i've been when i look back pretty much everybody that i like all of my really true good friends they were not dog people and we just accepted each other for who we are yeah i mean to them was super interesting the whole dog thing yeah but there was a a line in the sand that they they were like okay now now ivan has to go and walk the dogs or whatever yeah yeah no i got super lucky i got super lucky and and i was able to that little house is a 1100 square foot house my you know ex lives there still and like it's a it's uh i love that every time i go there i feel like this like i don't know it's appreciation i know respect for it i have this too yeah i know this yeah and um yeah they they they started that and then i was starting to get convinced to hire actual you know like employees and that was really rough because i was like they're not gonna train like i do we're gonna mess everything up um and then there's the whole thing of learning how to pay somebody and how to deal with like actual it's not you no there was a lot of that and and and but we did it the once we got to um the you know after a year or so of working just with the family they were like you gotta hire someone gotta hire someone

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we've been too busy so we're filling up this 1100 square foot house and with four people living in it and a ton of dogs a ton of dogs and uh it was it was a lot and in the neighborhood too it wasn't even like a big property and um we were working we would wake up at you know 6 a.m and start working training i did respect like almost like a religious thing um it respect my nap time out between one and three i would take a nap and i respected that that's so good and but then we would continue training or working or letting whatever i'm so much i'm good thank you thank you um and we would do it until 11 p.m and every day it was the same thing and we were just just looking back we were just eating junk food we would go and back then there was a dollar dollar menu so we would go to any place get dollar menu get a bag and and we will the whole family would just grab some things from the bag and it was crazy and like i couldn't at that time i could barely sleep because like i'll be sleeping but we had 20 dogs in the house 30 dogs in the house and i would hear like and i would wake up who is that who was that so it was it was pretty really really stressful times but it was kind of beautiful times at the same right you know time because there was so much passion yeah this is where the excitement can override yeah the struggles and the hardcore times and because it was quite a struggle but um after a year or so that then i started hiring people and i'm glad that i did because i um i i was able to you know some of the one of my train one of the trainers at the time now she's doing her own thing with doing this adventures with dogs and stuff and um another one is in tennessee doing training so it is cool that you know to to to see everybody growing and you know and and also when they were helping me out i noticed something that i did not think about before like i i was just worried i'm gonna have somebody and they're gonna dilute the the sort of um results and right um oh that's like a given yeah it's like as long as you care about what you do the hardest thing probably is to delegate eventually like just a nightmare yeah and i was so worried about that but it helps so much in the transfer to the owners um because when we would start transferring to the owners if i did it just myself they got used to my voice they get used to everything that they would do perfect for me yeah and then back to the owner it wasn't as good and then like once i once i the trainers came in it was it was a game changer i'm like oh it's transferring so much better now um so that was

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that was nice that was a nice aspect of it and having help and just going through especially the early employees they saw the struggle you know my newer ones i mean it's it gets busy it gets busy and they and they work really really hard but they did they did they haven't seen like the actual you know first two three years of the business that was uh that was something else um everybody makes fun of me because how much i work was it always worth mouth like how did you 99 percent of it yeah 99 percent of it i've a couple of times i think i've spent on facebook ads i've spent 30 maybe maybe 50 this is the beautiful thing about dog trainer especially i mean you have to i don't know i was gonna say you have to be good at it but but then there's so many that are not and it's still somehow pull it through but being a dog trainer you're out and about there's like and then you have your clients but then you're out with the dogs and it's like even even if somebody doesn't have a dog it's like oh my friend has the dog that needs help or there is always that conversation that happens daily yeah for sure um i think that now i think that one of the things that has helped us a lot besides what you mentioned earlier not saying no you know always saying yes to everything that's that's a big one but um i always i always felt um i always believed in what i said and i always so i was very genuine about it and i didn't try to bs anybody i never learned a spiel you know i never learned a a thing to sell the word salad yeah no i never learned any of that stuff i didn't i didn't want to be a salesman even though like you know it kind of became that but not because i'm wanting to sell stuff it's because i'm just i just believe what i'm telling the dog owners actually yeah recognize that genuinity you know yeah absolutely do so so i think that that's one of the that that has helped us grow quite a bit um but you know we still go through ups and downs but yeah but yeah how was covet was that scary very scary very scary did you shut down you did down for three months oh we closed down for three months but sort of closed down so we closed down from my all my employees um there was one who i can't remember exactly what the details were but is that when you came to the school or no it was it was after a little bit after i was the second school i mean it's the second year i think um but um yeah when i when we did the um when covet happened um i in order to pay bills i think i i had to do six days uh six days six dogs uh a month or something like that or seven dogs a month to pay

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the bills um you know taking away payroll and i'm like i need to do this somehow yeah and and thankfully i i did um i kept i i went to appointments and i would meet people outside with masks and stuff and then man what a time that was it was it was and and i do remember when things started opening up later on things started opening up and i remember driving because i had gotten used to driving with no traffic which that was a nice part of it but i was driving and i thought i didn't think it had affected me much and then when i i drove and i saw people sitting outside in a restaurant and i felt this kind of like relief this joy like things are all of a sudden you're coming back the sun the sun is out yeah yeah yeah it's to me looking back i'm like why do i feel like that but it was just it was just i guess i did like that you know normal part of life i didn't like it to be just everybody isolated um so yeah it was rough but we were able to manage fine um florida we were so blessed yeah because you got sitting close it was absolutely the best place on earth maybe besides sweden or something like no we were i mean we freaked out for a moment just like everybody else i'm like going to the grocery store coming back home and i'm washing vegetables with soap i'm like this i'm just not gonna work yeah and this cannot just last like this can i mean we will be dead yeah i'm not washing every every this is ridiculous and then little but i mean very quickly uh like you know uh and i'm sure there was some risk to it but florida was by far the place to be i mean by far like we and especially you know having the the space and the dog so we really didn't i mean besides going out and wearing a mask the planes the planes was the most ridiculous thing man it's like okay now you guys eat take the mask you eat okay now put the bag what the fuck are we doing like how retarded we can be all of us collectively like what are we doing that is exactly what jesus christ that is exactly what happened with my brother um he he was being super protective of my mom and my stepdad um they were they came to visit and they got stuck because they um they um honduras closed so like you couldn't fly to honduras right so they got stuck in the us and they were with us during that time i think i had another house at that point that's at that point so they were with my brother and my and his wife and um he was taking care of them we wouldn't see them for a while they were constantly wearing masks and he was super strict he's a lawyer so like he was like super strict following every

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single rule and then one day we go out to um once things are started opening up we go out to a restaurant and he comes in later on and everybody's sitting down like you said no mask on eating with another group of people there and he's like what the hell is this i've been working so hard to keep you guys away and now we're just eating so he just found it ridiculous yeah it was a funny thing they doubt that it's just really really a nightmare and i mean man like how many people died and couldn't even say goodbye to their relatives because like through glasses and fucking like just bad bad bad times yeah it was like we're we are living into i mean having covet having the whole ai revolution i mean having just the internet period like we're in this turn like what we are experiencing it's crazy it's crazy in so many ways yeah uh and then then then twc somehow came along yeah by the way i tell you just a quick one with covet because of the twc so we we were gonna have the first class and we're starting and we we actually will have it here you know and restrictions are coming just talking about coming right there is this guy uh his name's bart from belgium he i just saw him in uk he's gonna come for the helper workshop he flies he's like i'm i'm doing this i'm gonna beat i'm gonna come here before they lock it so he comes here and now they're talking really lockdowns and now he's like but i also have to get back and now he's gotta work it out how to get back wow i mean it was this craziness like absolutely craziness yeah it was it was a different time for sure my i mean i have so many like especially let me my daughter she's she's german american german whatever if one yeah i mean she like in germany they had to have like three four five shots like you cannot like in germany you cannot not have them like you just cannot you know and being 19 years old having five shots uh yeah substance right yeah a girl like like oh man but anyway so yeah so after covid um you know we were doing fine and we've moved through different places i got almost kicked out of that house after two years um not kicked out of the house itself but the business could not go there so then we were scrambling on where to go eventually we found this house where covid happened and i was at a house with a bigger property uh-huh and then after that we found this building and um twc came you're renting it right yeah no we're renting it yeah yeah um hopefully after this five years hopefully we try to find something i don't

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think the my landlord would be selling it um anytime because it's attached but i think right now from what i'm just kind of following real estate stuff right now seems to be a good time yeah we'll see i have a five-year lease i don't know if i have the money for that but yeah um so twc came about with um you know i followed you for a while uh before twc i think i had all the pretty much all the videos um i had done the train preview stuff the yeah i mean especially if you if you did the year with one oh yeah yeah i had done yeah so there was a lot of um i had really been exposed to you quite a bit um so i was interested in that and there was even though i was doing good i was doing well with training dogs right i could get results and even with difficult dogs there was something missing and i think that i don't know maybe it's a feeling that we should always have like there's something missing like there's more out there um but it just didn't some things were just not right and i had shifted a lot of how i trained um already but um i kept just diving into different things like i did the whole you know low level stimulation conditioning stuff um so i did some of that and and some of it it made sense to me at the time like uh tyler muda had uh had some really good videos on um on the e-collar conditioning yeah backwards conditioning and stuff and it all made sense and i did it and it kind of worked and uh but then it still it's not that it doesn't work correct it's not that it doesn't work it's just it's missing something yeah it's just like it's not it's not it's not right um at least in not every aspect i think there is a i don't know if this is against twc but um there are i think there are times where like some backwards conditioning can be um necessary especially when you have a dog that i don't know with like some crazy sensitivity to to the e-collar with like you know it's like okay you can't use it in a standard way does it make sense to kind of help them kind of understand okay when you feel this like you do this um and um i have found that sometimes oh i see what yeah i mean it's not even backwards it's just a uh i just negative reinforcement but starting with starting with the verse correct correct that's what you mean yeah so so it is so it is basically that and the um um so i but i had done a bunch of different things and it just it just didn't feel right i'm like okay let's see i've been following you for a while i like what you do what can i learn from twc and um and i i thought about it i almost went to um tarheel canine and i actually thought it's right there yeah

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that's so convenient so i thought about that but it was a little impractical because i think they would require you to stay there for four months and stuff and um so it was going to be a little bit impractical me already running a business so i thought and i actually told uh gene and my friend you know you know yeah bailiff and he's like dude ivan's gonna show you a bunch of stuff that like you're not gonna see anywhere else um and i'm like okay so um i you know uh applied and um and yeah and and it was great it definitely but it was great in different levels um that i didn't realize right away like when i was taking the classes i'm like i love this this is great but i had seen a lot of that stuff when i did them my zoology yeah you gotta simmer some time right yeah yeah it definitely needed that for sure because um i had seen some of that and you know i had taken behavior class uh you know animal behavior classes i had taken psychology classes so it's not foreign yeah a lot of it i had seen it already and and i had you know read about it and um so it didn't seem like too different like i was learning something completely new right then the play i had seen some of your videos before and i had already done some of that and and i thought there's uh um you know what is where is the the magic but it was it was so well put together that i'm like this is worth it anyway even if i'm not learning anything completely new but then as i started applying it and using it man it was it was magic you know that's where i started like really believing and um this is one of the pieces that i that i definitely have been yeah it's interesting like i know and i mean i'm not selling but it like dogs eyes change like they just there is a moment when they're like hey yeah and there is this like like even even in an old dog that's kind of friendly playful like hey and you see it right away and it's like oh oh i tell my trainers and clients all the time about that you know that moment where the the the dogs kind of show you right like not when we show them because a lot of times as trainers we think the magic moment is when we show them but no it's like the moments where they show you i think i got it you know that's a that's such a beautiful um moment for sure um yeah because it's a trainer so easy to to be i am looking down on you and you're doing things for me and and yes i love you and yes you eat and but yeah yeah how did the dog sport come like how how did the whole mondial whatever how where did that come in well i got a little bit exposed to it when i was working uh

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with one yeah um and um they would put me in a suit sometimes and get me get me bit and then um and i found it super cool you know i like dogs in general and i found it super cool i still found behavioral things a little bit more interesting so if we were working with an aggressive dog i found that more interesting than the sport itself i hadn't i hadn't seen like the building part and all that right so um you're good it's just going it smells like christmas gotta tell that story but um the so i had been exposed to it but i wasn't really that interested at the time um then later on um i had a i had a malinois for a while and i think it was when i was taking it was during twc when i was taking the course i still had that malinois never did a sport with them i was mostly afraid one because of the business and all that but i could have made time the other one that scared me was i did not know if you could fix this but he would bite with his front teeth um so i always worried that because he was he was like 80 pounds malinois and like if he i felt like he was gonna break his canines at some point it does happen yeah it's and he was so driven that like you throw a ball into cactus and he would go face first scream but you still get it so i'm like he's gonna break his teeth so i was always afraid that he was gonna that he was gonna mess up so i never pushed that hard but um that sparked a little bit of interest his his drive and stuff and i did get him because he had bit three people by the time he was 11 months old so it started off with with the dog trainers dog yeah exactly exactly that's what it was but i he was an amazing dog actually he inspired one of my trainers um to get a malinois too because he was such a cool dog but um he passed away he had at seven he had um like this pancreatic cancer that spread everywhere yeah it was terrible because he had like i think it was like a hundred or something like that one millimeter nodules all over his lungs you know what is crazy and you're you you've been in the the vet industry but like what always kind of amazes me that you know they're in pain when they get this yeah yeah you know lumps in their body like you know that there's gotta be pain but somehow they are so contained and like act like there is that like it's not but you know it's there it's amazing how they make this it is my is it like just nature that they they're not afraid to give it away because of the you know yeah that's what the vet used to tell me tag them and yeah the weaker of the right that's exactly what the vet used to say she she would tell

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me that cats or dogs sometimes you know they just really hide the discomfort because yeah it makes them vulnerable so then there's that natural instinct i think with malinois it's not that i think it's just they just like have higher they have bigger greater motivation yeah uh he played until the day he died i have videos of him like still tugging while he was like still you could hear his his breathing and um so it was um yeah i think malinois is that desire but in general like predators apparently they just kind of hide that weakness um apparently with cats it's very difficult to diagnose certain things because they won't show you right um they just want to nail you anyway yeah you don't know why it's like no i'm already looking at you my uh you just attributed to them being a cat i remember man working when i was working at the spca in san francisco like and we also had to take cats and we also i mean we had a whole cat section you know yeah it was way more challenging than the dogs yeah it's just like you see them and and you see the pupils are kind of you know and you're like okay are you just wanna like and i was master with you know like you would have the gloves and stuff but nothing like i was the best with the towel oh just give me a towel oh man cats are something else they're different yeah they just have so many weapons and they're fast and they they're just you know they can bite you they can scratch you when they don't want to just kind of bite to get away but they want to like stay with you oh yeah oh they couldn't they grab you right kick right oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah no there's something else that's why like i don't know why you wanted to see a a a panther in here that's not i don't want to see that uh if i see that i'm calling you ivan right get the gun no that's uh that's crazy um but he passed away and then uh john lugo my friend he um he reached out i actually put him down at this that's the guys you're working yeah right now yeah so and that's how i met him too i um i put him i put turkey down and um i put him down at this animal hospital where john's girlfriend works so she told him about me and then he sent me a message and he um he sent me a message you know telling me that he does mondering if you were if i was interested at that point i had already put a deposit for a dog here uh because i think he had a litter of puppies so i wasn't able to take one but he said like it doesn't matter when you get your puppy just um you know come and start training so um yeah that's kind of how it started

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uh so john kind of like introduced me to to it so kind of like with the with the dog business i mean very steady progressively yeah getting your feet in and yeah yeah that's kind of how it's been so what do you like in mondio what is like the what do i like in mondio like what what is the you know what excite what challenging what what is the the thing that you you catch yourself thinking about often yeah so at the beginning it was definitely you know how do i train this you know and a lot of it was you know working because it's so many things yeah there's a bunch of different parking a lot of things so when do you start there is and i was so excited like whenever you would show a little thing you know i've come to a bunch of the seminars so um one of them the auto vetosha one and you were doing a little bit of um um i think julie was doing uh some uh object guard um yeah we were just starting yes or something like that yeah and some did something yeah and um she she was starting that and i was like oh my god this is so cool so start so i i kind of started creating that a little bit and um you know just learning that the teaching how to teach the dogs certain things because i when i when juan and gene were doing it you know their dogs were already trained i was just there getting bit you know so um i didn't see the teaching part and um that part is was definitely super exciting now that we've kind of like taught a lot of the things and now we're just practicing now is now figuring out you know how do i help her do it herself and in in these situations so like the cool thing about it is like it leaves munduring leaves a lot of a lot into the dog you know because you can't be guiding them i guess like a psa you might be able to guide them and stuff but you can't guide them at all so you leave it up to the dog so figuring out how do i allow the dog to think um and figure this puzzle herself with the rules that we have kind of taught her um so i think that part is what keeps me kind of interested in it what do you see as far as the the how how does the sport and the pet world help each other if they do um initially the way that i was training it was very different where like the sport and the pet world would not would not yeah cross yeah it was a lot of like the dogs have to the pet dogs you have to bring them down you kind of like calm them down you kind of chill them out and if you calm them down people are happy um and sadly that is a little bit of the truth um it's uh people were happy but not the dogs you know and um and it was a lot of that um and then eventually

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the dogs learn to adapt and a lot of them can still thrive but that's where there was a better way and i think where and i think you brought that is how the sports and the pet world come together is is bringing up that motivation and kind of guiding through motivation because when i'm teaching jinx how to you know um figure out this puzzle on the defensive handler i need her to be motivated to want to like follow i mean to know which one's gonna do something what's gonna happen i can't just like bring her down and i think in the pet world it it comes very similar it happens very similar i want them to want to do this stuff with me not just like do it's like sir yes sir at some point there is some sir yes sir but i want them to have that motivation and i think that's how those come together yeah um yeah i have a i mean i've kind of went the same like eventually you know like at twc i how how highly i recommend that even if you're a professional trainer and you're not exposed to sport training like you are missing out yeah like you have no idea how much you're missing out and one of the things and again i'm i'm i know you've heard me talk about this but i think it's good to keep saying it is the when you train let's say you have a dog that you're training for competition that means you're training that dog what if let's say you started training whatever young age you pick eight weeks three months whatever but now the dog is five years old and you're still training even though you may be competing you're still training and when you realize how much time in training is invested and how much change has happened and where you are with that dog just because of that time and then you take that little snippet of being a week or two weeks or three weeks of pet training and you think like what are we doing and at the same time of course you you know some things have to be done but that's not really the end of of like going to a basic training it's just you just open the door yeah of of what can happen you know yeah yeah and and and there is a problem on on really thinking and i and i still do some shorter ones i do some like a two-week obedience but that one we don't do that for behavior modification stuff but um i had a client recently who had a trainer that did like a 10 day or two week thing with her dog and uh she said my dog was trained after that and you know now the dog is like maybe seven or eight and i'm like okay how is she how is she doing now and she's like well she pulls on the leash she lunges the dog she does all these things i'm like i thought you said you

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sent her to a two-week because she's sending me the young one and she wants him to be trained the same way yeah in a short amount of time and then um i'm like uh your dog is not you know trained that yes you got some results there because the dog was a little bit calmed down and suppressed a little bit but um you what you what i'm trying to show you is uh something that will and a certain relationship and obedience that will last longer because of the things that you do and i kept talking to her to playing she has a um what are these dogs griffons um like so yeah and like and she plays with and he's super driven to play and i'm i'm like play with him play with him and and she's like but i want him to walk nice i'm like that is like we'll get there but that's like secondary right if you play and you walk look he's gonna want to do stuff with you to get it is it is because especially because like you know we're selling uh and i say we because i have done that too you know these like two-week programs with um you're like hey your dog is gonna be fixed i'm like no it's a now when i'm selling a two-week program i'm not telling them hey your dog is gonna not never gonna drink at best it's your start correct that is exactly what i tell them yeah we're gonna be doing refreshers we're gonna be doing all these things i'm gonna be supporting you so yeah that's just the the beginning of it so um and i'm trying to get that in people's heads because yeah you send them to a typical franchise and you do a two-week program now you have an off-leash trained dog and you're like it's done i'm like no you're just starting you're just starting especially if you started off with the dog kind of like that wait until they actually get up in their energy and you might not have the same level of control if you allow them to go there so it'd be better if you teach them how to cooperate at that heightened state right and then you can everything else happens a lot easier if you teach them how to cooperate when they get into that state because that's when people lose control you can go to a pet smart class and if you calm your dog down and they're focused on the tree man do it when was the last time you've taken a peek at the pet smart i haven't looked at them i used to i used to kind of go at pet smart and and just be like really like look like this to see i haven't done it in very long time but i wonder if they've changed anything you know i don't think so because um again another one of those things that earlier we talked about regulation and things like

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that because everything has to be so standardized and regulated that they can't go within certain you know they have to stay yeah they have a book yeah that says week one everybody lined up and we are giving click and treat yeah because i've had people from pet smart recommend me and that like i they did i get a client and they're like oh i have went to pet smart and this person recommended you uh because they said they couldn't like they know what they need but they couldn't because they work there so um so i don't think it has changed much um i'm gonna go i mean i i sign up and all i call you there is always a dog to take to pet smart and and what uh lows or whatever right i i have to go and check them out typically man i wonder if they even have it then maybe they don't have it anymore at our local pet smart because it should draw my attention yeah yeah they might because i see the like their grooming you know how the open glass and everything which is cool to have like that instead of let me take your dog inside yeah it's like man oh i mean they can be the best groomers but that whole idea of let me take him inside yeah and sometimes of course the dogs are way better when they're not clinched in like looking at but a german shepherd would you know act better yeah kind of like the the white one he would be the one to take yeah yeah you take him away from the parents right away yeah what about the um how how are you navigating the whole landscape with the force free and like like your clients when some i mean i'm typically at least for us it's very standard it's like what what tools are you using i'm like oh here we go okay okay we're gonna have that conversation yeah how how is it up there um it almost seems like the past year or so uh or two years it's um there's more questions about that um and i'm not sure maybe the the amount of people that were already fine with aversives came early on and now i'm getting a lot of people that are not getting help elsewhere but there are not really understanding aversives yet but um lately it seems like it is a more um more frequently asked question back uh you know initially yeah i would talk to people about it but nobody was sort of questioning it too much it was more of like okay i trust you my friend used to you so i trust this um now it seems like people are sending information maybe it's just because we've grown and we're getting a different it's not just friend referrals but like now they've heard of proactive dog training and stuff so um i'm not sure what it is but um for some reason we're getting probably what it is

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yes that's exactly what it is so we get the we get the calls and like the emails all the time asking about it and i i'm honest right away i tell them you know we use the tools we don't have to but you know we can um if we're gonna do something more serious like then i would prefer you know it would be highly recommended to use it um and and not for necessarily just bad dogs but even a dog that's like super friendly and everything but takes off running away from the house all the time i'm like yeah how can you not we need to use that for that specific dog so um yeah we do um we do have that conversation with people all the time and again i don't memorize any spiels or anything i don't have a specific thing that i say and that's i just yeah i just have a conversation with the people asking what they know and if they ask me what do you what are your thoughts on it and i tell them like hey i use it all the time i take my dog off leash when i'm riding the bicycle and you know and she's fine yeah um and yeah so i explain all the things you know like we had um i think it was about five five years now there was a very sneaky push here and in i mean the hearings were in tampa i don't know if it was the whole florida or was it just like hillsborough county but they were pushing to ban electric colors prone calls the whole thing and the trainers you know kind of got together and we went to the hearings and we stopped it i mean it was easy to stop because you know the moment the politicians see that not everybody's in agreement and there is actually equal amount of people in disagreement they don't want to take that's like the worst thing for politicians to take sight you know in that kind of war so they decided it was interesting it was actually very cool and it's worth it to i i always think to do something about this but what they decided to do was somehow in the conversation came that the the trainers like me are not open with their clients and so i would do something that the client doesn't know and what if they don't agree with that yeah so every company every pet training company in at least in hillsborough and i believe it was most of florida he had to have training plans and if there was change in the training plan and there is it signed with by the client yes i am fine to use uh whatever with my dog or i am not and then if we need to update it two weeks from now then we do but those got collected oh wow and i think they got collected like for uh at least a year and a half we were doing this wow so there is a yes and and of course there is nobody to

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go through who who's gonna do that well that's the work that i'm talking about right it just kind of let's wash our hands we're doing something very good you know it's like but there is a database collected sitting there that there's like so many different pet businesses and so many tools used what's the ratio what's the abuse how many like that like you can just especially now with the ai abilities you can just like instantly so i'm everyone like right now i get excited i'm like thinking i'm gonna go and and see if i can get the data yeah you know yeah now of course tomorrow the project that we have here takes over and and and it's not gonna happen but uh that was a interesting time and in in some ways that's pretty much how you would do it if you are legit business you know like oh i'm gonna do this and then you just start doing shit to the dog that like that's just not right like how why you know um um but uh how like like another question that i always ask especially people that professional trainers how much resistance or how much conversation has to take place on average to convince somebody that might be a good thing to try with their dog so on average i mean it depends so you have the people that are truly truly against it and there but they are on their last sort of attempt they have tried positive only they tried drugging their dogs they've tried you know all the things that were recommended by you know the the leaders and the in the force-free field and um and now they're they're lost and they're like i don't want to use any collar but my vet's telling me to put them down you know so um there's those that are in like they're totally against it but they're on the last exactly this is kind of like when you somebody family member is dying out of cancer and and they would do any voodoo shit that comes across and why and it's totally okay at that point so so those are it's not it's not that long you just explain it and they're like you know what it makes sense nobody explained it that way and then we move on then there are some that have a puppy or something and like they um had a very easy dog prior and it's just a little bit more complicated more high energy puppy that they're having a little bit more trouble they had such an easy time with the previous one especially if they had certain trainers and and but they heard about us and the friend kind of like told them about us and they're like i want you to train my puppy but i'm you know uh i'm against these tools so then those are longer conversations you know i talk to them and it's not like i'm trying to convince

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everybody we've done plenty of plenty of dogs without uh tools and stuff right but i do try to like illustrate the benefits uh of it um where um you know i mean you're putting it on the table it's up to them correct if they right yeah so so those take a little bit longer uh longer conversations for sure it depends on the people and there are some that will call and they will just say do you use shock collars i'm like yeah and then they um you know okay thank you very much and they just move on and there's no conversation even started uh but once we start a conversation it just depends on where they are in their mindset how how how much they've tried um yes and and how much they think they need that uh or not um and if they've already given up or they still have that hope that right it's there is a lot of factors yeah yeah like in for me um it's super this is kind of interesting always this specific conversation we're having at the moment um um there are times when i know and these are the times that is just very difficult for me because i know that i can do this is not even this like not even complicated this like very simple straightforward we can take care of this but you're not allowing me and i i'm looking at the dog is gonna walk away and i know where it's gonna go and it and so i always have this last result i mean that has not happened like this like probably handful yeah at best but i would be like how about you just give me five minutes yeah with the dog and you're right here you can just terminate it the moment you say done we're done yeah like it doesn't need like the moment you start to feel that things are going not that we're yeah it's done and every single time it's been like oh okay i don't know it's gonna be that way oh and i'm not i definitely don't want to say that it's like justified in any case and use it in any way you want to but because it can be wrong yeah of course um but the the information that the social media is flooded with it's just so misguided so misleading that it's very hard to be a pet owner and having a difficult dog to you don't know so you you're listening to a bunch of totally contradicting you know it's like how do you make a decision when you don't know and what do you think about regulations now that we are there yeah regulations you know they um the problem with regulation i guess is that it puts too much when you start regulation i think it leads to more than what it was originally intended to so um even if it's not a ban let's say it is just regulating certain things and especially like now

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my brother's a lawyer so when he starts explaining stuff how like the language how things can be like changed and interpreted a certain way depending on the language um there's like so much that can be uh done that leads to bans because of an original regulation yeah so while like it does make sense it does make total sense that why do we we have a tool like that why don't we regulate it for just professionals to be able to use it and then show the people and then now people know how to use it it makes total sense but when you start kind of looking at legal stuff then it can lead to yeah it started with regulation and it started with just being able to show um to the professionals to show you know a certified professional is able to show someone but then you have to look into who what does it take to become a certified professional right what are all these other things and then it could decide to that stuff so then it leads to bans and all that so i think like i think you've said this and i think other people have said it for other kind of tools uh if there is a better tool then that's just going to naturally the uh population is naturally gravitate towards a better system instead of needing uh a band yeah um a band is not really gonna make the system better it's just gonna make it so it goes underground or right or even if it doesn't go underground it just will allow will make a lot of those dogs that could have been helped those little dogs that would be people that were walking away with the solution right you're like ah you know the solution and yeah so um i think because of how how much of a slippery slope regulation can be um i think probably no regulation would be a better thing until maybe there is a system at some point but that's you know i i'm with you like i i personally don't see it yeah i mean i for a moment like for a very brief moment i was like maybe maybe that is the way and then it's very easy to convince myself no no no no no i i think uh also regulations once they're set they're they're not easy to they're they're not malleable they're they're just there to stay and if anything they continue to go in one direction that somehow gets pushed yeah um unless you get somebody on the other extreme side but then to get somebody on that other that means revolution yeah that means like you know a revolution so it just yeah no it's not a good idea especially when there's not already a good system to management management management management management management management management management

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management management management management management management management management management management management management management management management management management management management management that they just really went way too far. But here they are. What are you going to do? Who's going to be the one that everybody's going to point the finger at to try to make a sensible change in those restrictions that they have? I don't know. Yeah, it's when you start messing around with other people's ability to do something that it starts becoming a problem because if you disagree with something but what that person is doing is not damaging, then you don't have to push to regulate it. Right. So why? Just leave them alone. Let them be. The more regulation there is, it just... And there is a lot to regulate in dog training if you like... I mean, you think of... We just briefly touched on this. Like, take any, you know, a police department or some military, you know, like some canine units or whatever where there is, like, very serious structure. even though probably everybody knows that things can be done a little different now. It's just very difficult to add a sentence in the book, the manual, you know? Yeah. This is just, like, not easy. Yeah, once you have a system going, it is definitely hard to change. I mean, I see it even with my own company. Like, we do things a certain way and right now that we expand it and we have to kind of think outside of our own things that we created. Yeah. It's kind of hard to kind of bring yourself out and then we're like, okay, we're going to do this. Oh, but it's going to mess this up. I'm like, yeah, it's going to mess that up because we're not thinking of a new picture. We're just stuck on the old one. Right. So adding something is difficult. We have to almost, like, dismantle it at that point. And it is difficult to do that once that, you know, system has been in place. So that's probably what happens with police dogs is there's probably a whole better system that you can probably dismantle instead of just adding little things because they can't add it because it's already been set for so long. And then, so dismantling it might be the best option. So, and then restarting. But there's a few people in the police kind of world right now, man. Just painful to watch. Just painful to watch. And every once in a while I'm like, man, I should at least talk just for my listeners about it. But then I'm like, I don't know. It's this thing of like, it should be said, but then, you know, it's like, it's not my monkey, it's not my circus kind of thing. But in a way it is.

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And difficult one. I just, like I have, I used to watch a few just for entertainment, like pure entertainment. And we would have dinner or just drink or something. And I'll be watching and narrating. And Natalia just having a blast just listening to me. But then at some point I was like, you know what, that's just not good for my head. Like it just, I stopped. Like it's just not cool. But, you know, talking about regulations, but then there is really, there is kind of bad training in terms of like kind of psychopaths. Just people that are just not good people. They just don't have a heart to interact with animals, you know. And then there is others that just have no skill to be a dog trainer, but are competing to be the influencer of the month or... So, yeah. I know I'm producing bullshit, but I'm going to keep doing it because I'm getting the algorithms. It's like, fuck. Yeah. And then you have the new people that are trying and how, how in the world somebody that wants to start right now dog training and you see some with, I don't know, X number of followers and likes and daily flooding your, your Instagram or whatever. And then there is something else. And how do you decide where to go if you don't know, you know? Like I'm thinking when I was, you know, like somebody starting to do martial arts. It's so easy. So, oh yeah, you can do Tai Chi and you're going to fucking destroy everybody. It's like, no, you are not. Like nothing wrong about Tai Chi, but you are not going to kill people. I don't know. It's interesting stuff. Yeah. I don't know because let's say I go into a field that I don't know anything about and I am looking on YouTube. I will likely look for the highest views for sure. So it is, it is a problem, you know, but then if the person is a talker and a catcher, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It grabs you for sure. So, but this is where will regulation help that part, you know? Right, right. Then you don't have professionals. Yeah, then you don't have professionals. Yeah. So, but should you regulate? No, I think like they're going to die out anyway because at some point it will be discovered, you know what? You're just entertainment, you know? We'll keep you on the entertainment side and then let's let the, you know, actual people that know do. Yeah. So, yeah. I guess we have to separate that stuff. Man, we have a few more days to go and the weather's now. It's warm. Now it's warming up. When we started, it was like, what, like 32, 33 degrees. Yeah. It's very different to come one day with sweatpants and jacket and now like shorts and t-shirt. And the dogs are like, you know, don't suffer with this kind of changes.

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I mean, it's not that it's not hot by no means. We're talking 65 or something, but from 33 to next day, 65. I think we got to 74. Did we? Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. So 74. Yeah, that's already, yeah. Yeah. From 40, that's a big, big jump. So, yeah. But it's been good, though. But this is good. It's going to be very, very exciting. You guys are going to know about it. Trust me. Everybody will know about it. And it's a good thing. We'll see what happens. But, yeah. Javier, I think this was very cool. Yeah. Totally enjoy. Like, you have definitely a very inspirational story for anybody that's, like, just dwelling. Oh, yeah. One day I'm going to whatever. And, like, I mean, from where you went and how you made it. And, you know, it's awesome. So, are you going to come for the Mondial trial? I'm not. No, not happening? Yeah. No. No. I have to find the time now because now it's really coming up. I have to. Yeah. Like, I was really going strong. It's two weeks. Yeah. Shit. And then we went to England. Well, let's train tomorrow. Yeah. We have to. Like, we have to do some training. Yeah. Yeah. something because I'm starting to kind of be like, oh, maybe, yeah. Man, England was so cool. There was like one really funny story because, you know, I mean, the British English is different, so I know I have to be a little more careful to listen. But then you have somebody from Scotland asking a question, and I'm like, repeat it again and again, and then I'm like, sorry, it's got to be my English, and he's like, yeah, maybe your English and my Scottish is definitely not. But it was cool. It was a very, very good one. Did you have a British person translate? No, no. Oh, okay. No, but, you know, eventually you kind of just in a context, you start to get like a, no, Scottish is a, I mean, I don't think I've ever heard it before. So it's like it's English, but you're not understanding. You know, like, you know it's like English, but you're like, I'm like, no, repeat it one more time because I didn't, and I'm convinced that it's, I don't get it, you know. But it was cool. Did you have any, like, difficult cases there? It depends. Like, for me, they were very easy, like, really, like, kind of instant things. Okay. Yeah. But for the people that had the dogs, you know, some of the dogs had the problems for a year or more or whatever, you know. Did you attract more, like, sports trainers or were there, like, pet dogs too? I think it was kind of half and half. Half and half. Okay. What was very cool and maybe because I just haven't done anything in so long anywhere outside my own groups here.

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So, I mean, there were even, I mean, there were few people that came from the States that are TWC graduates. There were people from Canada, Malta, Belgium, Holland. Like, there was, like, it was cool. It was cool. Super cool. And we had very nice conversations afterwards. It was a good, like, in some ways I miss it, but it's not easy to do those kind of things from all the things that I have to do, you know. But once in a while it's okay to get out and excite people, you know. What are you planning to do? It's like, hey, there is a different way to think about things. It's like, and the good thing is when you see people getting kind of excited again. It's like, oh, yeah. It's almost like it's a new thing, a new idea, and it lights you up. Do you think you'll do it as a yearly thing? No, I don't. I really, I don't know. I don't know. Again, like, if I have time, I love going places. But there are so many projects. Like, we have now a bunch of videos that I really want to get out. Got to get some Monday over here videos. Yeah. Yeah. I need those. But, yeah, man. Let's close that one. And thank you. Thank you for this. No, it's a pleasure. Tomorrow, I think, they said we start early. Eight, I think. Early, eight o'clock instead of nine or whatever. Yep. All right. That's it, people. Thank you. To the next time.

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